MMR Vaccine, recurring rash on my baby, advice?

originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

1. "Inconsolable crying" is a common vaccine side effect. It's definitely not "normal". 4 hours duration means that your child likely had/has a brain infection. It probably did damage.

2. The symptoms you are seeing is what is known as atypical measles. The child's immune system is struggling to clear infection because it was injected under the skin and did not present as a measles infection should/would in the wild.

The recurrence of the rash with concurrent infection indicates autoimmune dysfunction which is a fairly typical result from vaccination. You will never get answers from MD.s and particularly pediatricians. They know virtually nothing about vaccines and toxicology. "Smart vaxxing" is an oxymoron. Your child now needs your love in the most desperate way. You must learn enough to evaluate and mitigate this damage. It won't be easy.

Did someone say your name 3 times oh anti-health purveyor?

Let's have a look at your "diagnosis".

1. Prolonged crying is quite common after vaccines. Whilst 4 hours is probably at the end of the range, having worked with sick kids for 30 years it's not unusual. It really isn't.
So no, the boy's brain isn't damaged by it.

2. Remote diagnosis by description is never a good thing to do. It's usually incorrect.
Atypical measles cannot occur with today's MMR vaccine as long as it "takes". It used to happen with the older killed virus MMR but not now.
Your description of how atypical measles starts is false and nonsensical as there's a described pathological way it occurs and it's not your one.

Raw recurrence of a rash does not indicate an autoimmune dysfunction and is not associated with vaccines.

Talk to someone who works day-in and day-out treating children in a clinical practice and please don't take advice of a fear-mongering, rabid anti-vaxxer on a conspiracy site.
I guarantee they know far more about it than this individual.

a reply to: corblimeyguvnor

Following the initial vaccination, the rash seems to be popping up as a secondary symptom of other illnesses. Like, his immune system gets weakened by a stomach flu or ear infection and the rash rides the coattails and takes over his body for a week or two.

You present a good theory, but I think it has more to do with weakened immunity from other illnesses than allergies to environment. He seems to have no allergies to dogs or cats or any food.

Don't know if this is relavant, but he is super pastey white. Lol! Maybe that makes him predisposed for manifestations on the skin.

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
a reply to: StoutBroux

You're 100% right. The only way to know what's going on for sure is blood work. This last batch is still faintly visible but subsiding. Do you think blood work would help at this point? Or should I just wait until the next outbreak is in full force?

It's up to you. Faintly visible, hmmm, who knows. A good scrape on an area that appears the least healed, might pick up the culprit. If not, no real loss, you did you best. To not try is to for sure fail. If the results don't give you and the doc a satisfactory answer, then try again if and when it happens. Hopefully, it won't.

Could you perhaps Google images of rashes and find one that looks similar?

It would seem odd that a vaccine would cause rubella 2 months out. Did it start on his face, move down and then clear from his face?

Are you 100% sure it's not allergies? When I get hives they look how you described the bumps on your son 1/2 the time, not always a big patch. Get him tested, you might be surprised. I second people saying to get blood work done.

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
LOL! The dogs chase the cats out of the house, that was a one time photo op.

He has no allergies to anything that I know of. He eats peanut butter, strawberries, eggs, milk...no problem. No allergies to pollen or animals.

And the rash isn't like a flat, hives/allergy rash. It's little, raised, red bumps...almost like pimples but there's not actual blisters. The aggravating factors: first time-MMR second time-stomach flu third time-ear infection

Is there a possibility of it being flea bites... little red bumps that kinda look like mosquito bumps, but a little smaller?
My mom told me when my brothers and me were babies, we had to have special laundry detergent or we got a rash.
I'm hoping you can figure this out.

Is it a fine, pinpoint pink rash that appears at the end of some sort of viral infection, like a cold or tummy bug? One where he ran a fever, and is starting to get over it?

a reply to: Bedlam

Yes, exactly. And good to hear from you on this thread, I know you're the local health care expert!


He was almost 2 when he got the MMRV and that's when this rash FIRST appeared, never prior to the vaccine. I mean, he got the vaccine in the middle of the day and it came up that afternoon. (Aug '15)

Came back 2 months later with a stomach flu. (Nov '15)

Came back 5 months later with a low grade fever/ear infection. (April '16)

Exact same rash, scattered and kind of pimply but not blisters or broken skin or anything super gnarly like that.

* dates are approximate, I'm not going to search his records, but you get the idea of the time frame

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

Viral illness – the most common rash suddenly appearing on your child is rash due to a variety of viruses. Some viruses can be easily identified, including chicken pox, fifth disease, and roseola. Most viruses, however, do not cause their own specific type of rash as chicken pox does. These generic viral rashes can have many different appearances, such as lacy or pimply, raised or flat, bumps, spots, or blotches, and they often (but not always) start on the trunk, and then spread to the extremities.The most important thing to understand here is that if your child has a fever or is not feeling well, and breaks out in one of these generic rashes, then it is probably a harmless virus and nothing to worry about.Here is a brief description of some identifiable viral rashes:

Link

Cute kid btw!

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

Sounds like viral exanthem. Kids seem to hit 3-4 months old and start getting that pink rash on the recovery from nearly any virus that makes them run a fever. But generally not until the fever breaks.

When mine hit about 18 months, it stopped. I think it's totally normal.

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

I've got a good sense of humor and I can tolerate jabs and jokes, so if you've got a good one let 'er rip!

I'm in a position where it's up to me whether or not he gets another dose of this crud. Either nothing happens...or he develops encephalitis or seizures or some sh*t. It's really nerve wracking when you're gambling with your own baby's health.

This is what's at stake here:

OMG he's so cute .

Well the rashes could be a part of anything . what you need to do is to take him to a pediatric allergy specialist and they'll tell you what to do cause what you described could be a variety of things and you need to make sure everythings fine .

it could be a Fixed Drug Eruption, is he on any meds ? is he taking Co-trimoxazole (Sulfamethoxazole / Trimethoprim) ? if not then it could just be an immune response to Viral/Bacterial infections .

Also when did you give him his first MMR dose ? i ask this because we give them when the baby is 6MO based on WHO schedule . you seem to have done it when he was 1YO ? why is that ? did you miss a dose ?

Could you describe the rashes for me ? are they bulge ? when you push them, do they disappear ? are they present only at torso ?

a reply to: Bedlam

OK, thanks. Without the actual terminology that's kind of what the doctor said the last time.

So maybe it's just a coincidence that this popped up right after the vaccine?

If it was CAUSED by the vaccine I'd hesitate to give another dose, but I just found out yesterday the next dose isn't due until he's 4. If it does have to do with the vaccine that should be plenty of time to filter out of his system.

originally posted by: haman10

Well the rashes could be a part of anything . what you need to do is to take him to a pediatric allergy specialist and they'll tell you what to do cause what you described could be a variety of things and you need to make sure everythings fine .

it could be a Fixed Drug Eruption, is he on any meds ? is he taking Co-trimoxazole (Sulfamethoxazole / Trimethoprim) ? if not then it could just be an immune response to Viral/Bacterial infections .

Also when did you give him his first MMR dose ? i ask this because we give them when the baby is 6MO based on WHO schedule . you seem to have done it when he was 1YO ? why is that ? did you miss a dose ?

Could you describe the rashes for me ? are they bulge ? when you push them, do they disappear ? are they present only at torso ?

He is on no meds whatsoever. In fact, other than the mentioned rash and 2 illnesses he's a very healthy guy.

He got the MMRV at about a year and a half. His vaccine schedule is not following anyone's recommended 'schedule'. I just felt it was a good idea to wait 6 months for the first one then do one at a time to monitor for reactions. Mama bear instincts seem to be in working order, since he does appear to be sensitive to them.

It's so faint on him right now I can't do the push test. But it's randomly scattered bumps. They're all over but seem to be most concentrated on the torso. There's no clusters, no blisters, no sores, no pus or anything nasty like that. Kind of like little pimples (without a head). They're small and pink, but definitely raised. If he's laying down near a good light source, like a window, you can see them really well. It looks very much like measles, but not near as thick as the measles pics on the internet. And no other symptoms.

The second time it came up (the first being right after the vaccine) he had a stomach flu, so the diarrhea was caused by THAT not the rash, and possibly an ear infection- the doc said his ears looked red. The third time it came up he had a low grade fever and runny nose, turned out to have an ear infection. So, I'm pretty sure those symptoms were caused by the ear infection not the rash.

I guess he's got some weird viral thing causing the rash and it crops back up as a secondary illness anytime he comes down with a primary illness. I was just concerned about the vaccine since that's when this all started.

Thank you all for your input. I'm feeling much less worried about this now.

originally posted by: Bedlam
Is it a fine, pinpoint pink rash that appears at the end of some sort of viral infection, like a cold or tummy bug? One where he ran a fever, and is starting to get over it?

This is exactly what I was thinking (because this happens from time to time with our son). I can't remember exactly how the doctor described it but it was something along the lines of....

Sometimes when younger kids get sick, there is an associated fever. However, sometimes when they get sick they may get a rash in lieu of fever.

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie

originally posted by: haman10

Well the rashes could be a part of anything . what you need to do is to take him to a pediatric allergy specialist and they'll tell you what to do cause what you described could be a variety of things and you need to make sure everythings fine .

it could be a Fixed Drug Eruption, is he on any meds ? is he taking Co-trimoxazole (Sulfamethoxazole / Trimethoprim) ? if not then it could just be an immune response to Viral/Bacterial infections .

Also when did you give him his first MMR dose ? i ask this because we give them when the baby is 6MO based on WHO schedule . you seem to have done it when he was 1YO ? why is that ? did you miss a dose ?

Could you describe the rashes for me ? are they bulge ? when you push them, do they disappear ? are they present only at torso ?

He is on no meds whatsoever. In fact, other than the mentioned rash and 2 illnesses he's a very healthy guy.

He got the MMRV at about a year and a half. His vaccine schedule is not following anyone's recommended 'schedule'. I just felt it was a good idea to wait 6 months for the first one then do one at a time to monitor for reactions. Mama bear instincts seem to be in working order, since he does appear to be sensitive to them.

It's so faint on him right now I can't do the push test. But it's randomly scattered bumps. They're all over but seem to be most concentrated on the torso. There's no clusters, no blisters, no sores, no pus or anything nasty like that. Kind of like little pimples (without a head). They're small and pink, but definitely raised. If he's laying down near a good light source, like a window, you can see them really well. It looks very much like measles, but not near as thick as the measles pics on the internet. And no other symptoms.

The second time it came up (the first being right after the vaccine) he had a stomach flu, so the diarrhea was caused by THAT not the rash, and possibly an ear infection- the doc said his ears looked red. The third time it came up he had a low grade fever and runny nose, turned out to have an ear infection. So, I'm pretty sure those symptoms were caused by the ear infection not the rash.

I guess he's got some weird viral thing causing the rash and it crops back up as a secondary illness anytime he comes down with a primary illness. I was just concerned about the vaccine since that's when this all started.

well thankfully what you describe don't seem concerning at all . but i've got some advice for you as your brother :

1- Stomach pain + Rash = alarm sign . seek medical attention in these situations . 99.99% of the times it would turn out to be a simple viral infection . but that 0.001% is what we're afraid of .

2- I am in no position to say this but i wouldn't seek medical advise in social forums if i were you . it's always good to hear what other people have experienced with their baby and use their expertise . but take the next step and visit a doctor just to be safe .

Take care .

a reply to: haman10

You're right that expert advice is best. And if you'll read all my posts (I know it's a lot) you'll see that he's been to the doctor 3 times.

But I don't 100% trust the doctor. They will NEVER admit an adverse vaccine effect. And this all started with the MMRV vaccine. That's why I was wondering if anyone had personal experience or alternative input. Maybe it does have to do with the vaccine, or maybe it's just a coincidence. Luckily the booster isn't due for 2 years so IF it is the vaccine there will be time to filter out of his system.

Doctors are helpful to an extent, but they're not as infallible as people make them out to be.

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

My advice is get your advice from a MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL, and NOT from a bunch of teenagers on a Conspiracy forum. This is you child's health you're talking about, stop paying any attention to modern snake-oil salesmen.

originally posted by: Rocker2013
a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

My advice is get your advice from a MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL, and NOT from a bunch of teenagers on a Conspiracy forum. This is you child's health you're talking about, stop paying any attention to modern snake-oil salesmen.

Read my post directly above yours. He's been to the doctor 3 times.

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

The mmrv or whatever I think is rather new, they might not fully understand all of the side effects of it yet.
it could be a reaction to something in his environment, it could be shingles, heck it could be alot of things!
as far as I know, the common shingles case is not contagious, but you have a baby on the way, don't you?
I don't know, but I would probably be doing what I could to get the answer before the baby is born, as well as trying to get some reassurance from the doctor as to the possibility of the child being contagious with something while these outbreaks are occurring.