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originally posted by: stinkelbaum
rich people hate socialism, as they would be taxed higher.
the rich spend a lot of money telling people socialism is bad, some of the uneducated believe it.
those uneducated get it confused with communism, somehow, then hilariously point and snarl at soviet russia, for some reason, missing out that, that was actually an autocratic or totalitarian system.
given that only two developed countries have a socialist government (india and portugal), and that socialism is 'left wing' not many countries actually have socialist parties, obama a 'new democrat' is centre right while britain's corbyn is lurching labour back to the centre left after blair's 'new labour', the rich have gotten their way, virtually no global opposition, with an idiot base of fans prepared to growl at anyone that could dent their fortune.
murdochs press have painted both corbyn and bernie as communists, and centre right 'new democrat' hillary as a socialist, whilst painting britain's conservative party in a favorable light glossing over discrepancy and, attempting to prove that buffoons and philanderers are america's only choice.
remember kids, fair wages, safe working conditions and free healthcare are a bad thing.
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Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
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Socialism's effects on the people, the markets, and the environment, turned out to be disasterous
THat's ironic, since capitalism almost destroyed the entire world economy a few years back, meanwhile, most of the best countries in the world where people are happy and have a good standard of living are socialist.
Capitalism is good on a small scale, but when capitalists get political power it's incredibly destructive as we see now in the US.
originally posted by: CB328
Socialism's effects on the people, the markets, and the environment, turned out to be disasterous
THat's ironic, since capitalism almost destroyed the entire world economy a few years back, meanwhile, most of the best countries in the world where people are happy and have a good standard of living are socialist.
Capitalism is good on a small scale, but when capitalists get political power it's incredibly destructive as we see now in the US.
originally posted by: NoNameAtAll
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus
i never seen a banker support socialism. What are you basing your opinion about?
originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: blood0fheroes
If I have no power over how my taxes are spent, and particularly if I do not approve of how they are spent, then I do not consent to the taxation . Does this help to explain why I made the distinction?
What you will or will not consent to is not the question. The question is what the mass of people will or will not consent to. If you make taxation voluntary, you will raise precious little in the way of taxes.
It appears that Socialists are not the only ones putting too much faith in human nature.
I know this is a difficult concept for a collectivist to grasp
I am not concerned with what the masses choose to do, because the "masses" are made up of Individuals and therefore can be broken down into groups of one who must make their own choices.
originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: blood0fheroes
I will try one last time. Allow me to make it as simple as possible. If taxes are made voluntary, very few people will pay any taxes. It is not a practical possibility. A moment’s reflection is enough to see this.
originally posted by: samlf3rd
FDR was a socialistic democrat and he did awesome. Everyone loved him, and voted him in office for four terms.