Why is Socialism so heavily disliked?

]originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: ketsuko

ketsuko: Even in country who only has socialist system in certain sectors, it is sometimes illegal to seek outside those sectors.

introvert: Could you provide an example?

One is paid not to disrupt the system. The dole payouts of the middle east oil rich countries for example. Saudi Arabia pays its people to not cause disharmony/an uprising; yet a quarter remain still living in poverty; because there is no incentive to create industry. Humans (at least the men) become bored doing nothing but playing Backgammon/drinking mint tea at cafes and will eventually rebel; as to the prisoner women locked behind Sharia Law closed doors...who knows (plotting something).

a reply to: lydie15

Well these days, now that it has gained just about everything one could imagine out of society.....its wants more with no end in sight. Its become a big money laundering scam. Been a big money launder scam. A safety net that has become a thing that folks that never paid into are able to access. It has become race and class based and reinforces its own bigotry and hatred.

a reply to: TheOneFreeMan

Gah you beat me to it!

Hey just in case you guys missed it, I posted a really good video about issues with "Democratic" Socialism (democracy is a PART of Socialism) on Page 7. It's really well thought out and informative.

EDIT: We must've been posting at the same time. A star for you Teikiatsu!

a reply to: TheOneFreeMan

No, i watched it this morning and was thinking about posting it, then saw that a fellow great mind had more motivation. Kudos sir.

originally posted by: ForteanOrg
a reply to: ketsuko

Actually, Sir, you don't have any right at all to make your own decision - if it conflicts with the State. The State is the sum of all people - and you can't - nor should you - go against all people. This is exactly how the US is run (or any other State) - you can't go against the will of the majority of the people.

This.
This statement exactly exemplifies how a collectivist thinks. You good sir or ma'am are more than welcome to your opinions, however you are incorrect that all States operate this way.

Here in east Texas, for instance - criticism of government as well as criticism of the majority opinion is highly valued.
For further insight, might I suggest Henry David Thoreau's essay titled "On the Duty of Civil Disobedience".

Yes, the State is the sum of its people. However, we are not (yet) borg. Here we believe that every individual matters, even if they are so inclined to go in a completely opposite directing from all others.
Here we believe that if an individual is so inclined - that they can and should go against the will of the majority.

There is a quote attributed to Benjamin Franklin. "A democracy is a den of wolves, and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner. A republic is a well armed sheep, contesting the decision."

I suppose that it is inevitable that the US has its brushes with socialism cravings and possible relapse. Most aren't even aware that the first colonies were socialist in their founding and nearly died as a result.



That isn't what it was called since, like Capitalism, the word and philosophy hadn't been coined yet, but the principles were there and the same.

originally posted by: ForteanOrg
a reply to: ketsuko

Actually, Sir, you don't have any right at all to make your own decision - if it conflicts with the State. The State is the sum of all people - and you can't - nor should you - go against all people. This is exactly how the US is run (or any other State) - you can't go against the will of the majority of the people.

There is no way in metaphysics for true "will of the people" to be a single outlook, as would be required by a single government and single law.

The only real unity is that the folks in gov want more gov. If they didn't enjoy gov they wouldn't be in it. Exceptions prove the rule.

originally posted by: LABTECH767

originally posted by: Semicollegiate


Soc has mass appeal and very easy to sell to the uninformed.

Soc assumes people will work as hard for the greater good as they will work for themselves.

Soc assumes that experts can know everything for everybody.

Soc has no way to determine prices, which leads to economic stagnation.

Soc always uses the gov and always makes the gov stronger and stronger over time.

Bigger stronger gov is the means by which corporations get real power outside of the market.

Capitalism is not political but gets blamed for political outcomes. Capitalism gets blamed for gov powers that are socialistic in de facto political actions.

It rise's to power only when people become Informed and they realize that they have been wronged, it does not rise when they are uninformed, lack of information is the tool of the elite to keep the mass's down.

The slave whom struggles to break free of the hole will work till he dies but is that good or bad.

It most certainly does not assume experts' will know everything, it is about fairness and regulating greed, making selfishness less acceptable and making society more fair.

Is Economic Stagnation really so bad, is not a balanced economy better than a runaway destroy the eco system and ruin the world unsustainable idiot's attitude of greed is good.

Socialism is about Local government and shared burden, not making the government stronger over time so I don't know were you get that idea, Capitalism places the power in fewer hand's so that makes the government stronger, Communism is not socialism but like russia and china just replaces the emperor with a new one.

Actually what is a corporation, if it was human it would be technically a sociopath, it harms all to get it's own way and socialism does not go with corporate capitalism, social corporations take the form of Co Operatives of which the Co Operative society in the UK used to be a good example before it was hijacked by Financial Capitalism, now it is just another corporation but there is no link to Socialism Corporation's are Capitalist structures unless they are specifically non profit in which case they are hardly corporations except in the term incorporated with it's dictionary meaning and only that.

Capitalism most certainly is political, when did you not want the better job, were does it stop, only when you or the capitalist structure both own's and run's the country and then the world creating totalitarianism as a result.



Reverse Psychology is an idiot's game.

Socialism rises to power when power wants it to.

Watch this guy's videos. I know people like him in real life. My former boss is a former citizen of the USSR. He holds a similar opinion to this guy.

Vladimir Jaffe

a reply to: blood0fheroes

I'm not often in the habit of repeating myself, however you must have either misread my wording, or have argued this before, against a mind possessed of less clarity.

I’m not in the habit of repeating myself either, but the misreader is you, and a mind possessed of less clarity than one which mistakes an argument against Socialism for an argument in favour of Socialism would be hard to imagine unless one were to invoke some kind of developmental disorder.

involuntary taxation... Emphasis added, for clarity.

Sir or madam, I have to hand it to you. Utterances of such staggering brilliance can only come from the mind of a genius.

a reply to: MyHappyDogShiner

Taxation is only theft if you see no benefit from paying your taxes

Taxation is not theft. Only selfish idiots think it is.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

you conveniently overlooked the theft of Billions by Lee Kuan Yew, or his slandering of his opponent Anwar Ibrahim with charges of Sodomy.

You are getting Singapore mixed up with Malaysia, and Lee Kuan Yew mixed up with Dr Mahathir Mohamed.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

You fail to see that historically an income tax was introduced in the USA to fund money lent to the Bankers who profited from lending for war.

That doesn’t make sense. I suppose you mean ‘income tax was introduced in the USA to raise money to pay off debts to bankers who profited from lending for war.’

So what? Don’t you believe debts ought to be paid?

Corporate and crony capitalism are the result of "pure" capitalism. That's because concentration of financial power coupled with competition lead to formation of large businesses and governments working for them.

Which is what we have today for the global economy.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
]originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: ketsuko

ketsuko: Even in country who only has socialist system in certain sectors, it is sometimes illegal to seek outside those sectors.

introvert: Could you provide an example?

One is paid not to disrupt the system. The dole payouts of the middle east oil rich countries for example. Saudi Arabia pays its people to not cause disharmony/an uprising; yet a quarter remain still living in poverty; because there is no incentive to create industry. Humans (at least the men) become bored doing nothing but playing Backgammon/drinking mint tea at cafes and will eventually rebel; as to the prisoner women locked behind Sharia Law closed doors...who knows (plotting something).

DC is paying criminals $1000.00 a month not to commit crimes.

Sounds like a great idea, what could go wrong?

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
]originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: ketsuko

ketsuko: Even in country who only has socialist system in certain sectors, it is sometimes illegal to seek outside those sectors.

introvert: Could you provide an example?

One is paid not to disrupt the system. The dole payouts of the middle east oil rich countries for example. Saudi Arabia pays its people to not cause disharmony/an uprising; yet a quarter remain still living in poverty; because there is no incentive to create industry. Humans (at least the men) become bored doing nothing but playing Backgammon/drinking mint tea at cafes and will eventually rebel; as to the prisoner women locked behind Sharia Law closed doors...who knows (plotting something).

DC is paying criminals $1000.00 a month not to commit crimes.
Sounds like a great idea, what could go wrong?

Oh, one becomes bored and then organizes with others similarly bored to organize a plot against the regime that pays them to be copacetic (don't rock the boat). Who would think a dictatorship could be overthrown because its citizens had nothing better to do (insight/create a rebellion just for fun/laughs; instead dying from boredom). Kim Jung Ill announced recently "be prepared people, for famine". So another 3 million die of starvation. What a leader; at least forewarns them. RUN ESCAPE! become the newest world refugees.

originally posted by: blood0fheroes

originally posted by: Bluesma

Like in some countries there is a national health insurance coverage, and the Americans call that "Socialism".

Would you dispute that the majority of collectivists who advocate for this in these united States are self identified socialists?

I cannot dispute it nor confirm it. I have been living outside the US for the past 25 years, and only go back once in a while. I cannot claim in depth knowledge of some of the current trends and events - only of some of the deeper and long standing cultural ideas and values.

I have heard that Bernie Sanders self identifies as a democratic socialist. I have seen, however, that some of his philosophy differs from that of the european country I currently live in.

I have some relatives who are of a more liberal political position (for US standards - here they would still be considered right wing), who want to see things like state funded university and universal medical coverage, but they do not consider themselves socialists. They are not of a polarized view - they consider these things as if on a contiuum, in which collective concerns and those of the self (individual) must be balanced and considered equally - not either/or.

originally posted by: lydie15
a reply to: Azureblue

This is exactly how I feel about Socialism. In my opinion, it will create jobs more than lose jobs.

Are you in Australia? Because that's where I am and in the GFC we were given a bonus to stimulate the economy etc. I do feel like over here people are very anti-socialist, which sucks. Except for those in Universities - which makes me think that if those who research and study politics enough to form substantially large University groups supporting Socialism, which are quite popular in members, then why is Socialism not a more common talk of the general public? I genuinely believe it's those involved in corporate companies etc. That are trying to bring Socialism down to be an extreme economic form (such as likening it to Communism) , to scare people away from even considering the thought.

Been there and done that political parties. Born and bred to be a liberal party voter and was for many years. after going out to work and experiencing the real word i voted to labor for the next 20 years.

These days, I vote for the loose cannons ( micros and independents) as they are the last remaining hope for real resistance to the NWO. Both labor, liberal and the greens now are owned and controlled by the same people who own govts in most other countries.

For a number of years now I have been convinced there is govt above govt.

Today, for me, tyranny is tyranny no matter which political party it comes out of.

they are all anti dole but firmly in favour of corporate welfare.

Today, for me, if your going to get screwed it does not matter whether its the left, right or centre, black, white or brindle.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

I was fortunate to be debt free at the time and still am but unless I get a J.O.B. soon i wont be for long.