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ketsuko: Even in country who only has socialist system in certain sectors, it is sometimes illegal to seek outside those sectors.
introvert: Could you provide an example?
originally posted by: ForteanOrg
a reply to: ketsuko
Actually, Sir, you don't have any right at all to make your own decision - if it conflicts with the State. The State is the sum of all people - and you can't - nor should you - go against all people. This is exactly how the US is run (or any other State) - you can't go against the will of the majority of the people.
originally posted by: ForteanOrg
a reply to: ketsuko
Actually, Sir, you don't have any right at all to make your own decision - if it conflicts with the State. The State is the sum of all people - and you can't - nor should you - go against all people. This is exactly how the US is run (or any other State) - you can't go against the will of the majority of the people.
originally posted by: LABTECH767
originally posted by: Semicollegiate
Soc has mass appeal and very easy to sell to the uninformed.
Soc assumes people will work as hard for the greater good as they will work for themselves.
Soc assumes that experts can know everything for everybody.
Soc has no way to determine prices, which leads to economic stagnation.
Soc always uses the gov and always makes the gov stronger and stronger over time.
Bigger stronger gov is the means by which corporations get real power outside of the market.
Capitalism is not political but gets blamed for political outcomes. Capitalism gets blamed for gov powers that are socialistic in de facto political actions.
It rise's to power only when people become Informed and they realize that they have been wronged, it does not rise when they are uninformed, lack of information is the tool of the elite to keep the mass's down.
The slave whom struggles to break free of the hole will work till he dies but is that good or bad.
It most certainly does not assume experts' will know everything, it is about fairness and regulating greed, making selfishness less acceptable and making society more fair.
Is Economic Stagnation really so bad, is not a balanced economy better than a runaway destroy the eco system and ruin the world unsustainable idiot's attitude of greed is good.
Socialism is about Local government and shared burden, not making the government stronger over time so I don't know were you get that idea, Capitalism places the power in fewer hand's so that makes the government stronger, Communism is not socialism but like russia and china just replaces the emperor with a new one.
Actually what is a corporation, if it was human it would be technically a sociopath, it harms all to get it's own way and socialism does not go with corporate capitalism, social corporations take the form of Co Operatives of which the Co Operative society in the UK used to be a good example before it was hijacked by Financial Capitalism, now it is just another corporation but there is no link to Socialism Corporation's are Capitalist structures unless they are specifically non profit in which case they are hardly corporations except in the term incorporated with it's dictionary meaning and only that.
Capitalism most certainly is political, when did you not want the better job, were does it stop, only when you or the capitalist structure both own's and run's the country and then the world creating totalitarianism as a result.
Reverse Psychology is an idiot's game.
I'm not often in the habit of repeating myself, however you must have either misread my wording, or have argued this before, against a mind possessed of less clarity.
involuntary taxation... Emphasis added, for clarity.
Taxation is only theft if you see no benefit from paying your taxes
you conveniently overlooked the theft of Billions by Lee Kuan Yew, or his slandering of his opponent Anwar Ibrahim with charges of Sodomy.
You fail to see that historically an income tax was introduced in the USA to fund money lent to the Bankers who profited from lending for war.
originally posted by: vethumanbeing
]originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: ketsuko
ketsuko: Even in country who only has socialist system in certain sectors, it is sometimes illegal to seek outside those sectors.
introvert: Could you provide an example?
One is paid not to disrupt the system. The dole payouts of the middle east oil rich countries for example. Saudi Arabia pays its people to not cause disharmony/an uprising; yet a quarter remain still living in poverty; because there is no incentive to create industry. Humans (at least the men) become bored doing nothing but playing Backgammon/drinking mint tea at cafes and will eventually rebel; as to the prisoner women locked behind Sharia Law closed doors...who knows (plotting something).
originally posted by: burgerbuddy
originally posted by: vethumanbeing
]originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: ketsuko
ketsuko: Even in country who only has socialist system in certain sectors, it is sometimes illegal to seek outside those sectors.
introvert: Could you provide an example?
One is paid not to disrupt the system. The dole payouts of the middle east oil rich countries for example. Saudi Arabia pays its people to not cause disharmony/an uprising; yet a quarter remain still living in poverty; because there is no incentive to create industry. Humans (at least the men) become bored doing nothing but playing Backgammon/drinking mint tea at cafes and will eventually rebel; as to the prisoner women locked behind Sharia Law closed doors...who knows (plotting something).
DC is paying criminals $1000.00 a month not to commit crimes.
Sounds like a great idea, what could go wrong?
originally posted by: blood0fheroes
originally posted by: Bluesma
Like in some countries there is a national health insurance coverage, and the Americans call that "Socialism".
Would you dispute that the majority of collectivists who advocate for this in these united States are self identified socialists?
originally posted by: lydie15
a reply to: Azureblue
This is exactly how I feel about Socialism. In my opinion, it will create jobs more than lose jobs.
Are you in Australia? Because that's where I am and in the GFC we were given a bonus to stimulate the economy etc. I do feel like over here people are very anti-socialist, which sucks. Except for those in Universities - which makes me think that if those who research and study politics enough to form substantially large University groups supporting Socialism, which are quite popular in members, then why is Socialism not a more common talk of the general public? I genuinely believe it's those involved in corporate companies etc. That are trying to bring Socialism down to be an extreme economic form (such as likening it to Communism) , to scare people away from even considering the thought.