Whistleblower about to 'lift lid on 1000s of UFO files' is GENUINE, says ex-MoD man

a reply to: Bedlam

It was called top secret crypto

a reply to: 727Sky

Wow. I'm surprised crypto times out that fast. NSA is still #y about Saville.

Some thing is definitely odd here, a man refuses to divulge identity yet tells of his post place and the time he was there and left, only reasons to do that are that the facts given are false and being used as a screen OR he's an idiot.

Secondly, if you were privy to that sort of secrecy clearance then considering the content be it Aliens or black op hardware there is NO WAY your clearance would expire until you were dead and verified as dead.

As for Nick Pope, please, the man turns up on every cheap as chips UFO show under various banners of security specialist to head of the UFO files at the MOD and never as his real job title, civil servant filing manager with menial clerical requests. What next, June Sarpong as a CIA advisor...Come on people...

This goes only 2 ways, he's a genuine person who is trying to evade being being caught with a smokescreen or he's another person trying to make a few quid on the UFO circuit.

I'm not holding my breath on this one...

Paul.

And had a gardening accident in 3.......2........

originally posted by: Bedlam


Mid level NCOs aren't generally in the forefront of tactical knowledge.

Slightly different field but Snowden wasn't high up in the CIA by any means, still had access to a lot of high level things.

I think it's Astr0

a reply to: Bedlam

just my two cents here but I held a TS clearance for 15 years and my non-disclosure agreement is only for 70 years so they do expire its just not likely you will be alive after the fact. and the navy used to view tradition heavier than the other services, (I was Army), a petty officer third class is an e-6 so top of mid level and if he is promoteable he is treated like a chief (E-7 - E-9) also most military jobs tend to work one grade up for instance an E-6 would typically be in an E-7 slot. this looks good for promotion. not arguing any merits just some military facts.

a reply to: maximoilm

No, a PO3 is NOT an E6.

E-1 = Seaman Recruit
E-2 = Seaman Apprentice
E-3 = Seaman
E-4 = Petty Officer Third Class
E-5 = Petty Officer Second Class
E-6 = Petty Officer First Class
E-7 = Chief Petty Officer
E-8 = Senior Chief Petty Officer
E-9 = Master Chief Petty Officer.

originally posted by: Mclaneinc
Some thing is definitely odd here, a man refuses to divulge identity yet tells of his post place and the time he was there and left, only reasons to do that are that the facts given are false and being used as a screen OR he's an idiot.

Secondly, if you were privy to that sort of secrecy clearance then considering the content be it Aliens or black op hardware there is NO WAY your clearance would expire until you were dead and verified as dead.

As for Nick Pope, please, the man turns up on every cheap as chips UFO show under various banners of security specialist to head of the UFO files at the MOD and never as his real job title, civil servant filing manager with menial clerical requests. What next, June Sarpong as a CIA advisor...Come on people...

This goes only 2 ways, he's a genuine person who is trying to evade being being caught with a smokescreen or he's another person trying to make a few quid on the UFO circuit.

I'm not holding my breath on this one...

Paul.

Spot on. I can't decide if I pity Nick Pope or just think the guy is desperate for money or attention. I notice in the Express article he now mentions how his signature on the secrecy act prevents him from divulging anything when previously he's never said there's anything to divulge. I've a feeling he's itching to get a book out that will be based around his own opinions.

a reply to: DJW001

They erased Bob Lazar if you believe his story.
I'm inclined to think this story is not on the level. There is something a bit off with the reporting and style of writing.

Will reserve judgment until I see what he has to say, and if he has any evidence to corroborate any of it, or at the very least, directions for investigators to find or request such evidence.

That said, saying his secrecy vow has expired and providing identifiable details of his service and position, but refusing to divulge his identity for vetting purposes, does raise a dubious flag for me.

Will reserve judgment as said, though. I hope he can add to the body of good UFO evidence. It's always exciting to get access to a new cache of sightings or evidence of the defense establishment's interest therein. He'll need to point investigators to something tangible and verifiable to do that, though. It can't just be anecdotal.

Peace.

a reply to: schuyler

Disclosure is like the second coming of Christ.
A promise held but never fulfilled.

a reply to: Mclaneinc

only reasons to do that are that the facts given are false and being used as a screen OR he's an idiot

Both could be true.

originally posted by: Wolfenz

originally posted by: Bedlam
Two things should be a bit bothersome...

1) ""My secrecy agreement with the US Government expired in October 2014."

That would be...rare. If you are party to TS or SCI, in general they never expire. If they do, it's a per-project thing, not a blanket expiration.

2) "The man, who says he was a third-class petty officer at the Naval Telecommunications Center within NAS Moffett Field from February 1986 to October 1989"

Mid level NCOs aren't generally in the forefront of tactical knowledge.

and not advancing up to a Petty Officer 2nd Class within the 3 years ??
Something Wrong there!

I caught that, too, and looked up the time in grade requirements. If he got PO3 out of "A" school, which is very typical, and that was his first duty station, he would have been in grade 2.5 years, and minimum time in grade is 12 months as is shown here, so it is not outside the realm of possibility that he would still be E-4, but certainly he was "late" in getting a promotion. My daughter took awhile to get to E-5, but she was just lazy and didn't take the test as soon as she was eligible. She was a CTI-Arabic. I was just an MM.

originally posted by: maximoilm
a reply to: Bedlam

just my two cents here but I held a TS clearance for 15 years and my non-disclosure agreement is only for 70 years so they do expire its just not likely you will be alive after the fact. and the navy used to view tradition heavier than the other services, (I was Army), a petty officer third class is an e-6 so top of mid level and if he is promoteable he is treated like a chief (E-7 - E-9) also most military jobs tend to work one grade up for instance an E-6 would typically be in an E-7 slot. this looks good for promotion.

Given the tenor of your post I'm surprised you screwed this up so badly. Maybe you just better stick to Army stuff because you obviously have no idea at all how the Navy works.

Haven't read all the pages yet, but on the first page, a member posted something that was right on the money:

Two things should be a bit bothersome...

1) ""My secrecy agreement with the US Government expired in October 2014."

That would be...rare. If you are party to TS or SCI, in general they never expire. If they do, it's a per-project thing, not a blanket expiration.

2) "The man, who says he was a third-class petty officer at the Naval Telecommunications Center within NAS Moffett Field from February 1986 to October 1989"

Mid level NCOs aren't generally in the forefront of tactical knowledge.

All very valid points.

Plus, without coming forward, kind of hard to vet the person.

I'm assuming the MoD former invesigator is Nick Pope? Nick's generally a pretty stand-up guy (though touting himself as an MoD UFO investigator is really a bit more than his official capacity would show). Still though, some red flags with this one....I'd take anything (if we see anything) that comes of it, with a grain of salt.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Bedlam

But UFOs aren't tactical ,they don't actively train to down one ...do they?

UFO only means it's unidentified; it could be military (ours, friendly ally, enemy) or civilian (commercial, private, research, leisure, amateur), or natural phenomena (solar flare, asteroid, aurora), hobbyist (chinese latterns or balloons). Firing off a couple of missiles to down a bright orange light because it happened to be a mobile phone company blimp is not good publicity.

originally posted by: Taggart

originally posted by: Bedlam


Mid level NCOs aren't generally in the forefront of tactical knowledge.

Slightly different field but Snowden wasn't high up in the CIA by any means, still had access to a lot of high level things.

And how is Snowden being treated by the gubmint? Just ignoring him, are they?

Anyway, there's two different things...info you're supposed to have to do your job, and info you can get if you are nosey and go outside your scope and poke around. Your NDA covers the first, but do a lot of the second, and you can get the old espionage charge levied as well, when you do your disclosure thing.

I'm sure I could get on JWICS and start farting around and come up with things I ought not, or poke around here at work, but I'm not going to.

a reply to: stormcell

Yes but unknown vehicle tooling around blinking nuke silos MIGHT be memorable to the USAF.

a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

I agree that 3rd class is at the very bottom of the NCO totem-pole. (More or less a scrub basically.) However how much this guy heard or knows really depends on what rating he was. Supposedly seeing something happen and being privy to all the details behind whatever is happening are two different things. Like if you were topside when a UFO shows up and does some interaction with the ship, you might still sign a NDA about that. However in such case you wouldn't know to what extent it's arrival was part of some planned operation, or who is operating that UFO or whatever. Yet somebody working in communications or on radar still might hear intersting stuff though, just by general nature of what they're tasked with and passing along or overhearing things.

Because of the different ratings and what they do, there's still many different classes of confidential/secret/top-secret. It really is compartmentalized on a need to know basis.

a reply to: alldaylong

As an earlier poster said, "I don't want to get my hopes up." My feeling, too. We've been fooled before about these claims and have been disappointed every time so you can't really get too excited about this latest whistleblower's purported evidence dump.