Whistleblower about to 'lift lid on 1000s of UFO files' is GENUINE, says ex-MoD man

originally posted by: schuyler
You CAN have a Top Secret Clearance as a PO3. That isn't at all unusual.

This is true, I had a Secret clearance as an E-3 simply because I was supposed to be trained to go inside the sonar dome on a Frigate.

That clearance amounted to didly squat, I never even WENT inside the dome.

a reply to: schuyler

OK a PO3 is a "Petty 'officer'"

Lets just for one minute assume that this news story is in fact true.

This chap may not have been a Petty Officer at all. This maybe just another means of hiding his true rank and identity.


Let's just see if and when anything is released.

a reply to: Discotech
Could be something to the effect that if you do just say it you won't be so public as when you say you will reveal something and thus more prone to an...."accident"...and loss of all information?

originally posted by: Bedlam
Two things should be a bit bothersome...

1) ""My secrecy agreement with the US Government expired in October 2014."

That would be...rare. If you are party to TS or SCI, in general they never expire. If they do, it's a per-project thing, not a blanket expiration.

2) "The man, who says he was a third-class petty officer at the Naval Telecommunications Center within NAS Moffett Field from February 1986 to October 1989"

Mid level NCOs aren't generally in the forefront of tactical knowledge.

Aw man, you're such a bubble popper!

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: schuyler

Lets just for one minute assume that this news story is in fact true. This chap may not have been a Petty Officer at all. This maybe just another means of hiding his true rank and identity. Let's just see if and when anything is released.

According to the Disclosure Movement, we've been doing that for 70-odd years so far. "Disclosure" is always "just around the corner." It's kind of like Jesus' Second Coming. It was supposed to happen during Paul's lifetime. 2,000 years and we're still waiting.

The Disclosure Movement is a Cargo Cult. It's the nature of the beast to wait in perpetuity anticipating something that never shows up. This latest is just more of the same to keep you on the string waiting.......

and waiting........and waiting.

a reply to: alldaylong

Well, Nick Pope says he had contact with this man, and says the man is legit, I see no reason to disbelieve Pope.
Pope is not known for sticking his own neck out, and I don't think he would try to be chancy here for the sake of his own credibility.
What the contents are, is another matter.

a reply to: PhoenixOD

No, I want to see some tentacles and outerworldly beings!

originally posted by: Bedlam
Two things should be a bit bothersome...

1) ""My secrecy agreement with the US Government expired in October 2014."

That would be...rare. If you are party to TS or SCI, in general they never expire. If they do, it's a per-project thing, not a blanket expiration.

2) "The man, who says he was a third-class petty officer at the Naval Telecommunications Center within NAS Moffett Field from February 1986 to October 1989"

Mid level NCOs aren't generally in the forefront of tactical knowledge.

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That is ABSOLUTELY TRUE -- NCO's (Non-Commissioned Officers) only get
an immediate-area tactical information update with almost NO strategic
level or executive-level access to high-level secured information.

Anyways, all those signed NDA's (Non-Disclosure Agreements)
that apply to Security Clearances for SAP (Special Access Programs)
and CAP (Compartmentalized Access Programs) projects NEVER
expire until their are officially disclosed and the personnel
are released from their secrecy agreements which is done
by both a personal written notice and a team debriefing
to ensure OTHER still secret projects are kept that way!

I've got LOTS of rather juicy info myself, but I won't disclose
those systems and projects until they are officially disclosed.
Anything else though is FREE for me to speculate on!

This NCO is LIKELY being given carte-blanche by his
senior superior officers to dislose to give a generally
innocuous but STILL-JUICY slice of cake to the mostly
ignorant masses who think they are getting the whole enchilada!

NOPE! This is a sanctioned act to test some waters
for a larger public disclosure or even a counter-intelligence
operation. IT'S FISHY IN MY BOOK AND I'VE BEEN DOING THIS
FOR A LOOOOOONG TIME !!!!!!!!

Ah, yes. Another tantalizing dangle of disclosure, UFOlogy's oldest nemesis.

I wonder when they will finally disclose when the disclosure will be disclosed.

Sorry, clearances last for your life. I know several people who hold various levels of clearance, and each of them have confirmed that signing these documents is a lifetime commitment.

They are enforceable, WITH PREJUDICE until you are dead.

a reply to: Bedlam

But UFOs aren't tactical ,they don't actively train to down one ...do they?

a reply to: Shamrock6

How does the average LEO deal with anomalous incidents?
Do you report it, keep people away?

a reply to: Sillyolme

Is it just me ,or do some want to just get it over with, if it's true.

a reply to: alldaylong

Worth noting that the Daily Express frequently runs stories about "experts" predicting the coldest winter in history/100 days of snow etc

By experts, they mean some bloke with no expertise at all who sent them a message and who predicts exactly the same thing every year .....

Just saying

a reply to: alldaylong

The Daily Express. 'Nuff said.

originally posted by: Bedlam
Two things should be a bit bothersome...

1) ""My secrecy agreement with the US Government expired in October 2014."

That would be...rare. If you are party to TS or SCI, in general they never expire. If they do, it's a per-project thing, not a blanket expiration.

2) "The man, who says he was a third-class petty officer at the Naval Telecommunications Center within NAS Moffett Field from February 1986 to October 1989"

Mid level NCOs aren't generally in the forefront of tactical knowledge.

I do believe he has misinterpreted the expiration date, which is likely *never* for his position.

That said, I've never known any harm to come from releasing 20 year old information. Do you? For example, the US Navy released a report admitting the Gulf of Tonkin incident was false, but somehow their reputation wasn't damaged because of it.

a reply to: Bedlam

You are correct. NDA doesn't expire, well it does but usually you expire before it will and that's on purpose.

Even 3rd class petty officers can and will be in the know, all depending of course.

I think this whole affair is BS, unfortunately.

the express, like the mail, is very right wing, never fact checks, loves conspiracies just ignoring them when proved fake and not the best place to get news in general.
however, if this gentleman does have meaningful evidence, i'm talking undoctored video not some blurry polaroid, its welcome.
unfortunately until that and, with the unreliable source this has to be filed in the 'heard it all before' drawer.

a reply to: Gregandgemma

blinks - why would you ever think its "charles halt " ???????????????????????

originally posted by: Bedlam
Two things should be a bit bothersome...

1) ""My secrecy agreement with the US Government expired in October 2014."

That would be...rare. If you are party to TS or SCI, in general they never expire. If they do, it's a per-project thing, not a blanket expiration.

2) "The man, who says he was a third-class petty officer at the Naval Telecommunications Center within NAS Moffett Field from February 1986 to October 1989"

Mid level NCOs aren't generally in the forefront of tactical knowledge.

lol...this.

Plus, if any of this is real, he will just get dead while he putzes around making announcements.

As someone said, this will only ever happen for real, if it comes completely without any announcements and hooplah.

Just do it before anybody knows it's gonna happen. The only way it can ever really occur.