Scalia Death Suspicious "We discovered the judge in bed, a pillow over his head."

originally posted by: jimmyx
a reply to: Indigo5

c'mon Indigo.....think with a critical mind????......you do realize this is ATS, right?....not much of those "critical minds" still left here....most of them have moved on to more sane forums of discussion.

Yet, here you are.

a reply to: Indigo5

You've mistaken my point - I'm not saying that there is a conspiracy at all. I'm simply saying that while police are certainly capable of observation - they do not have the final word in an official forensic capacity SHOULD THE PRESIDING OFFICIAL (Cinderela the JOP) decide to investigate the death.

I'm also saying that this official would have been ENTIRELY within bounds to order an autopsy based simply upon the fact that the death was unattended.

I'm well aware that the family didn't want an autopsy - most do not - but, again - that is NOT the family's call.

My point was that if the JOP had done the bare minimum of ordering a standard autopsy of an unattended death of a high profile figure - we wouldn't HAVE to speculate.

So no parade here upon which to pee...

Justice Ginsburg details death threat
Speech says O'Connor also warned after lawmakers fuel 'fringe'

www.cnn.com...

March 15, 2006

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: jimmyx
a reply to: Indigo5

c'mon Indigo.....think with a critical mind????......you do realize this is ATS, right?....not much of those "critical minds" still left here....most of them have moved on to more sane forums of discussion.

Yet, here you are.

I have more hope than they do...that's it, that's the only excuse I can use as a justification to your response...

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

"We discovered the judge in bed, a pillow over his head. His bed clothes were unwrinkled."

That is enough right there to stir a million theories as to his passing.
That the feds came in an removed his body and have announced that NO autopsy will be required is another invitation for even more distrust of government.

Of course, we're all just peons... we can think and say whatever we want and those in the marbled halls wouldn't give a flying rat's tailpipe. From that spot, he could have been poisoned or strangled or most anything else.
He's gone and that's all that matters to someone in a high spot.

Then again, he may have somehow dragged the pillow over his head as he was departing...

But, no matter what, it's all a guess anymore. Everything.
That pretty much defines life here in the 21st century.

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originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: jimmyx
a reply to: Indigo5

c'mon Indigo.....think with a critical mind????......you do realize this is ATS, right?....not much of those "critical minds" still left here....most of them have moved on to more sane forums of discussion.

Yet, here you are.

I have more hope than they do...that's it, that's the only excuse I can use as a justification to your response...

Excuses are generally not indicative of a "critical mind".

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
It sure does provoke the notion of foul play involved, as 99.5 percent of the population do not sleep with a pillow on top of their head.
And I hope that these rulings are stifled until a new president takes office just to see who begins squirming, and how much.

It does seem odd someone experiencing a heart attack or heart failure would put a pillow over their head considering they would likely be suffering from some degree of shortness of breath.

Even if he died of natural causes, it behooves TPTB to let conspiracy theories run wild by releasing the detail about the pillow. PLUS it sends an effective message to other people in power that 'it could have been them.'

A Presidio Texas Judge just said there will be no autopsy.

Why did Hotel owner Poindexter go out of his way to state Scalia didn't eat steak at dinner?

Poindexter:

"He was in perfect repose in his bed as if he was taking a nap. His face wasn't contorted or anything," Poindexter said. "I went over and felt his hand and it was very cold, no pulse. You could see he was not alive."

home.cableone.net...

So if Poindexter said "his face wasn't contorted or anything"...how could he have seen Scalia's face through the pillow?
Wouldn't that mean that the scene had been tampered with and the pillow removed?...or was Poindexter lying?

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
It sure does provoke the notion of foul play involved, as 99.5 percent of the population do not sleep with a pillow on top of their head.
And I hope that these rulings are stifled until a new president takes office just to see who begins squirming, and how much.

It does seem odd someone experiencing a heart attack or heart failure would put a pillow over their head considering they would likely be suffering from some degree of shortness of breath.

The cause of death is not heart-attack nor heart failure...

DP

DP

a reply to: SkepticOverlord
It's certainly possible, but I think , not probable, that that he was killed. When they say 'pillow over his head and unwrinkled bed clothes' it sounds like he died soon after falling asleep and one of those big, decorative pillows ended up on his head.

An autopsy would not normally be done, but I wonder about toxicology?

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Poindexter:

"He was in perfect repose in his bed as if he was taking a nap. His face wasn't contorted or anything," Poindexter said. "I went over and felt his hand and it was very cold, no pulse. You could see he was not alive."

home.cableone.net...

So if Poindexter said "his face wasn't contorted or anything"...how could he have seen Scalia's face through the pillow?
Wouldn't that mean that the scene had been tampered with and the pillow removed?...or was Poindexter lying?

Of course he removed the pillow??? no one claimed he didn't? He was likely trying to asses if Justice Scalia was OK.

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
It sure does provoke the notion of foul play involved, as 99.5 percent of the population do not sleep with a pillow on top of their head.
And I hope that these rulings are stifled until a new president takes office just to see who begins squirming, and how much.

It does seem odd someone experiencing a heart attack or heart failure would put a pillow over their head considering they would likely be suffering from some degree of shortness of breath.

The cause of death is not heart-attack nor heart failure...

Everything I read said the cause of death was natural or a heart attack. At 79, a heart attack is often described as a natural cause.

In a sort of whistling past the graveyard slant, I am bemused by this:

He then contacted federal authorities, at first encountering a series of answering services because he was calling on a weekend.

I mean, what happens if something serious were to occur that absolutely needed the attention of someone at this level of government and information was delayed because it was a weekend?

Taking a look at applicable state law we see:

Art. 49.04. DEATHS REQUIRING AN INQUEST. (a) A justice of the peace shall conduct an inquest into the death of a person who dies in the county served by the justice if:

(1) the person dies in prison under circumstances other than those described by Section 501.055(b), Government Code, or in jail;

(2) the person dies an unnatural death from a cause other than a legal execution;

(3) the body or a body part of a person is found, the cause or circumstances of death are unknown, and:

(A) the person is identified; or

(B) the person is unidentified;

(4) the circumstances of the death indicate that the death may have been caused by unlawful means;

(5) the person commits suicide or the circumstances of the death indicate that the death may have been caused by suicide;

(6) the person dies without having been attended by a physician;

(7) the person dies while attended by a physician who is unable to certify the cause of death and who requests the justice of the peace to conduct an inquest; or

(8) the person is a child younger than six years of age and an inquest is required by Chapter 264, Family Code.

(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c) of this section, a physician who attends the death of a person and who is unable to certify the cause of death shall report the death to the justice of the peace of the precinct where the death occurred and request that the justice conduct an inquest.

(c) If a person dies in a hospital or other institution and an attending physician is unable to certify the cause of death, the superintendent or general manager of the hospital or institution shall report the death to the justice of the peace of the precinct where the hospital or institution is located.

CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

TITLE 1. CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

CHAPTER 49. INQUESTS UPON DEAD BODIES

SUBCHAPTER A. DUTIES PERFORMED BY JUSTICES OF THE PEACE


And then she just calls it in for the pronouncement of death?

I know, I know. You're going to say that they do know the cause of death...natural causes. Or that hey, he was old, fat, and even his doctor said he has medical conditions.

My dad is a few years older than the late judge, has had and beat cancer, and has some medical conditions. I don't know of many people in that age range who don't. But If the situation were identical, I'd want to know exactly what it was that took out my dad who is the very definition of crotchety old man.

But, a personage of Scalia's importance? Nah...let's look no further than the merest surface for explanations. After all, no one would ever even consider for the briefest moment of perpetrating such an act for purposes unknown to others than those whom such actions would benefit.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Oooor, and stay with me here, his statement was never that the face was covered by the pillow.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: jimmyx
a reply to: Indigo5

c'mon Indigo.....think with a critical mind????......you do realize this is ATS, right?....not much of those "critical minds" still left here....most of them have moved on to more sane forums of discussion.

Yet, here you are.

I have more hope than they do...that's it, that's the only excuse I can use as a justification to your response...

Excuses are generally not indicative of a "critical mind".

Trolling folks that appreciate critical thought in hopes that they leave a thread??? Kind of an ugly way to avoid being challenged.