Scalia Death Suspicious "We discovered the judge in bed, a pillow over his head."

Worth a watch-

a reply to: judydawg

They aren't going anywhere if they are asleep at the time!

You don't expect any damn thing if you are asleep, aside from the next scene in the dream.

Why would the killers leave a pillow over his head?

Less they were the dumb and dumber assassination crew

Or wanted suspicion over his death

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: texasgirl

Can someone embed that part? I don't know how to do that.

When she was alone with me, Ms. Guevara asked about my religious beliefs several times. We spoke about the Catholic faith and on September 3, 2013, when I met with her, she told me that she had prayed to God for an answer as to whether it was suicide or not and asked God to give her an answer in the video. She said she did not receive an answer as to that, but she did receive an answer from God. She stated to me that God told her that, yes this was a tragedy, but the true tragedy was that Melaney had died without accepting Jesus Christ as her savior.

I saw this article last night, too, but didn't post anything about it because I wasn't certain it was important to this discussion. But, talk about shoddy investigations and investigators!! The article is long, but worth the read, imo.

Did God tell her Scalia's death was 'natural causes'?

originally posted by: MRuss

Watch for the following to happen today: the man who said he found Scalia with a pillow over his head will suddenly explain that he was mistaken.

Or key people involved will have a stroke and be unable to talk or write.

right, an obese 79 year old man with health issues dies in his sleep......must be a conspiracy...(rolls eyes)

From an article in Texas Monthly about John Poindexter. Just thought it was an interesting thing to say about him.

He cannot enter a room without straightening nearly every picture on the wall, nor walk by a table without smoothing the linen, nor pass a rug without tugging a corner to flatten a wrinkle. He’ll open glass cabinets displaying thousands of arrowheads to reposition three. At one point, he got on his knees to redirect lights on the cabinets’ bottom shelves.

While I got out of my Jeep and walked to his Humvee, he got out of the Humvee to pick up an empty convenience store coffee cup on the ground by the gate. “How do you think eight employees could have driven past that on their way in this morning?” he asked. “But you can’t let that get you down. It’s just life.”

www.texasmonthly.com...

Sounds like he had a bit of OCD.

originally posted by: Willtell

Why would the killers leave a pillow over his head?

Less they were the dumb and dumber assassination crew

Or wanted suspicion over his death

An intimidation message to other conservative Justices who might do what Scalia did by going against the administration's agenda.

At least there wasn't a horse head found in his bed with him.

a reply to: Signals

I'm interested for future research ... who is "they" who are "promising a new republic" please?

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: Willtell

Why would the killers leave a pillow over his head?

Less they were the dumb and dumber assassination crew

Or wanted suspicion over his death

An intimidation message to other conservative Justices who might do what Scalia did by going against the administration's agenda.

You mean like five Justices have been doing for 25 years?

Okay.

I like this idea.....

We live in desperate times.

Former CIA employee Mary Embree discusses the infamous heart attack gun. The weapon was first made public during the Church Committee hearings in 1975. Very lethal & untraceable, using this weapon a murder is made to look natural. No doubt the CIA has been using this weapon and has most likely improved upon it since the 70's.

This clip is an excerpt from "Secrets of the CIA" 1998

a reply to: xuenchen

And yet, you don't find this to be an example of "disinfo" and/or "controlled opposition"?

Interesting.

originally posted by: carpeveritas
Correct me if I'm wrong (and I could be - I just haven't seen it), but it does not appear that there was any hands-on examination by an ME or doctor. So I'm not sure, officially, who could have made an observation of burst vessels in the eyes, etc. Police and paramedics are not forensic experts and do not count.

OK...Not looking to pee on anyone's conspiracy parade, only suggesting that while constructing hypotheticals everyone should do so with a critical mind.

Asphyxiation, suffocation and strangulation...

the owner of the Cibilo Creek Lodge (John Poindexter) who found him said:
"We discovered the Judge in bed with a pillow over his head. His Bed clothes were unwrinkled"

So...someone bothered to perfectly straighten out his PJs after a hypothetical struggle, while deciding not to remove the pillow and place it under his head?

I sleep with a pillow over my head, even when there is no noise...I can't tell you why apart from comfort.

If the pillow was over his head in such a way as to obstruct breathing, I believe the ranch Owner would have reacted differently...Ditto for the police that said clearly there was no signs of foul play.

There would also have been indisputable and obvious signs of smothering...Severely bloodshot eyes...that is simply a fact of biology and forensics..And yes...Police are capable of observing the same.

The doctor who proclaimed the death said the police on scene.

Meanwhile, Guevara acknowledged that she pronounced Scalia dead by phone, without seeing his body. Instead, she spoke to law enforcement officials at the scene — who assured her “there were no signs of foul play” — and Scalia’s physician in Washington, who said that the 79-year-old justice suffered from a host of chronic conditions.

www.washingtonpost.com...

Other notes:

Guevara also rebutted a report by a Dallas TV station that quoted her as saying that Scalia had died of “myocardial infarction.” In an interview with The Washington Post, she said she meant only that his heart had stopped.

“It wasn’t a heart attack,” Guevara said. “He died of natural causes.”

Hmmm...What else?

Scalia’s physician in Washington, who said that the 79-year-old justice suffered from a host of chronic conditions.

“He was having health issues,’’ Guevara said, adding that she is awaiting a statement from Scalia’s doctor that will be added to his death certificate when it is issued later this week.

What chronic conditions and what medications did they involve?

Combined with:

there were conflicting reports about whether an autopsy should have been performed. A manager at the El Paso funeral home where Scalia’s body was taken said that his family made it clear they did not want one.

www.washingtonpost.com...


So...Scalia was suffering from "chronic health problems" was having "health issues"...

these likely involved various medications...What were they..any powerful pain-killers?

And it was the family that "made it clear" that they did not want an autopsy...

If I had to speculate, he was suffering from an increasingly painful and difficult health issue, perhaps even a deadly cancer and had been taking increasing amounts of pain-killers and sleep medications. The family clearly looked to forgo autopsy to spare him any potential embarrassment from overdosing.

Just speculation...But one that comports to what we know vs. the smothering hypothesis.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: Willtell

Why would the killers leave a pillow over his head?

Less they were the dumb and dumber assassination crew

Or wanted suspicion over his death

An intimidation message to other conservative Justices who might do what Scalia did by going against the administration's agenda.

You mean like five Justices have been doing for 25 years?

Okay.

Why not? Obama is desperate now to produce and protect his legacy.
If they could allegedly blackmail Justice Roberts...what's to stop them from intimidation...or worse?

originally posted by: Willtell

Why would the killers leave a pillow over his head?

Less they were the dumb and dumber assassination crew

Or wanted suspicion over his death

Ya, that sure is strange. I've been sleeping with a pillow over my head for the past 25 years, as my wife stays up later than me and I do it to stifle any ambient noise such as the tv. Maybe when he went to his room after dinner, the remainder of the people he left were loud. Maybe he did it to drown out the noise. Everything points to a natural death from previous health issues to dubious assassination theories, unless like you say, the assassins were dumb and sloppy .

Of course food for thought...

Many may remember there was a big time movie in 1993 about the murder of 2 court justices. The Pelican Brief with Julia Roberts and Denzel Washington.

en.wikipedia.org...(film)
Plot[edit]

Two Supreme Court justices are assassinated by the professional assassin "Sam" Khamel (Stanley Tucci).
He gives a copy to his friend Gavin Verheek (John Heard), a lawyer at the FBI.

The legal brief speculates that the assassinations were committed on behalf of Victor Mattiece, an oil tycoon who wants to drill for oil on a Louisiana marshland that is a major habitat of an endangered species of brown pelicans

originally posted by: queenofswords
From an article in Texas Monthly about John Poindexter. Just thought it was an interesting thing to say about him.

He cannot enter a room without straightening nearly every picture on the wall, nor walk by a table without smoothing the linen, nor pass a rug without tugging a corner to flatten a wrinkle. He’ll open glass cabinets displaying thousands of arrowheads to reposition three. At one point, he got on his knees to redirect lights on the cabinets’ bottom shelves.

While I got out of my Jeep and walked to his Humvee, he got out of the Humvee to pick up an empty convenience store coffee cup on the ground by the gate. “How do you think eight employees could have driven past that on their way in this morning?” he asked. “But you can’t let that get you down. It’s just life.”

www.texasmonthly.com...

Sounds like he had a bit of OCD.

Maybe Poindexter just couldn't help but clean up the scene. OCD is uncontrollable.

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: Willtell

Why would the killers leave a pillow over his head?

Less they were the dumb and dumber assassination crew

Or wanted suspicion over his death

Everything points to a natural death from previous health issues to dubious assassination theories, unless like you say, the assassins were dumb and sloppy .

...or holding the pillow just to keep him quiet while he was injected...or they panicked, were amateurs, or were sending a message.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: Willtell

Why would the killers leave a pillow over his head?

Less they were the dumb and dumber assassination crew

Or wanted suspicion over his death

Everything points to a natural death from previous health issues to dubious assassination theories, unless like you say, the assassins were dumb and sloppy .

...or holding the pillow just to keep him quiet while he was injected...or they panicked, were amateurs, or were sending a message.

Again...the man who found him commented that Scalia's bedware? PJs? were in perfect order and it looked as if he had just laid down for a nap.

that means the killers went to the effort to straighten out his clothes perfectly after a struggle but left the pillow atop his head?

Read my post above...there are other more important facts at play...like chronic health issues that have not been disclosed and the family being the ones to "clearly" say they did not want an autopsy..

He likely had some severe and emerging health issues and took a poor mix and unwise amount of pain killers and sleep medications.

a reply to: Indigo5

c'mon Indigo.....think with a critical mind????......you do realize this is ATS, right?....not much of those "critical minds" still left here....most of them have moved on to more sane forums of discussion.