All Religions have Extraterrestrial origin, including Judaism and Christianity

a reply to: Raggedyman

No, it is up to the person making the claim to provide evidence, like Windward and AngryCymraeg did when they claimed Dawkins did not believe in the historical character of Jesus.

You do not make a claim, have it refuted by 2 citations, and then claim its otherwise but that it is not up to you to show it.
It is not their job in debate to research claims you make, it is yours to provide the evidence.

originally posted by: 2012newstart
I will mention another name of a brilliant researcher Zecharia Sitchin, with his excellent works of translation the ancient tablets of Sumers.

Hahahahaha. Oh man, that's classic. Have you ever actually done any independent research? Sitchin was neither brilliant nor a researcher. He was a liar and a fraud. Do you just believe anything you read?

a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

Yes I do. Because he proves it, by translating ancient tablets that few of us could do. Should I not believe those ancient Sumer texts, and believe someone's opinion that is not based on anything than his own views, be it yourself or myself, or bishop's, president's? It is strange how such valuable knowledge is ridiculed. By the way, I read that website today and found out for a first time the orbital periods of Planet X that fall something around 3,400 AD. Now late Sitchin was not a prophet of doom. The doomsday cults took it and waved the flags of imminent disaster.

Actually it is not so strange. Galileo was ridiculed at his time. Even now, some Catholic sources that pretend to be open to the newness of the time, as Spiritdaily, post articles of practically demonzing aliens spiritdaily.com... Sad, but it is what happens among the conservative portion of Christianity, and other conservative parts of other religions. Every nation and every religion has its vibrant core that is capable of giving love and light to further generations, and fanatics side by side who are already spiritually dead. One has to choose and is choosing sides. Soon those choices will be made freely available and public, with the arrival back of those who set the start of the religions.

a reply to: DJW001

They do show such evidence and produced calendars and calculations that we could not without the advanced astronomy. What you say is your view on the matter, that I do not see proven by facts. I have read and listened both Sitchin and Daniken, and let me say it is hard to find better educated persons on the topics they speak of. All those ridicules of something really brilliant, come to show those messengers of the truth are right and therefore are attacked because the message itself cannot be attacked.

If the pope cares to clean up the image of the Catholic church after Galileo and especially the case of burning of Bruno, he should've appointed such people as lay cardinals. If the Catholic church is meant to survive to become galactic. We need to rediscover the roots, and those roots are not homegrown religion, those roots do not have earthly origin at all.

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: AdmireTheDistance
Because he proves it, by translating ancient tablets that few of us could do.

He does no such thing. He (incorrectly) interpreted a number of Sumerian texts. He was wholly incapable of reading and translating them, as real scholars have shown numerous times.

Should I not believe those ancient Sumer texts, and believe someone's opinion that is not based on anything than his own views, be it yourself or myself, or bishop's, president's?

To believe Sitchin is to believe in nothing more than someone's baseless opinion.

It is strange how such valuable knowledge is ridiculed.

It would not be ridiculed if it were in fact valuable knowledge. It is not.

By the way, I read that website today and found out for a first time the orbital periods of Planet X that fall something around 3,400 AD.

So you do believe everything you read. Sad.

originally posted by: 2012newstartGalileo was ridiculed at his time.

So was Bobo the Clown. There's far more Bobos than Galilaos kicking around.

a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

better the people who read this conversation, first read the originals that I posted at the OP and the next post, before taking their sides. Because everyone knows Nibiru has 3600 year orbit, but few really care that according to the estimates of the specialist Sitchin (such as neither I nor you are) the next one falls somewhere at 3,400 AD without being 100% fixed date on such a grand scale. Nibiru (or Planet 9, X) was already in MSM a week ago, and is really strange how people who pretend to be informed, missed such important details. Thanks God, we do not have a danger from Planet X for now. We still have the dangers determined by another brilliant scientist, this time in astrophysics, Hawking, who pointed out the main dangers for the human civilization. Not comets and other space events, but rather: the nuclear war, the biological war with dna modified viruses, and the Artificial intelligence.

That being said, I hope there are people both inside forum and outside, who care for the galactic past and future of the religions they confess. The real part of these religions that was never collection or bringing more suffering to the poor, but that strives always up to heaven full of stars. God bless everyone!

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: AdmireTheDistance
Because everyone knows Nibiru has 3600 year orbit

Utterly ridiculous. If that were true, there would be no question about it. The gravitational effects alone would be obvious. You are living in a world of pure fantasy.

a reply to: Phantom423

Matt 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
How can you recall or have understanding of something you don't understand?

a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

Hehe, I cannot be offended by such childish no reasons. If I take a time to answer you it is because of the other readers that I want to communicate a message thru that answer. It will not be a precedent but exception. MSM talked of Planet X(9) last weeks as a certain fact already causing gravity effects on Neptune (since the time of Newton and Kepler), and only needed to be spotted visually. The gravity effect on Earth each time it gets CLOSER depends on the passage whether it is close enough or not. Luckily the next passage according to Sitchin is far off. 3600 year orbit (+- for such a large time period) is not a fairy tale number, it is a Sumer number. Besides all the stories of wars within the Solar system, on Mars and the destroyed planet today's asteroid belt. That all deserves utmost attention by religious leaders (and politicians of course) because we are talking here for direct proof of direct ET involvement in our civilizations' early history. Ancient Aliens serials did a good job btw. Now that knowledge is spread in the public domain, among people who want to accept it.

I suggest more of the sort will be done in the coming months (if we have them!) and more people like the still alive Daniken will be promoted. Why not to cardinalate or other hi office in Vatican, (that they might refuse btw) because it is needed not just for the Vatican itself but for the billions followers. If we are going to build God's kingdom and not to destroy it. Public internet domain means everyone, from pope to president to priest to scientist to taxi driver, could reach it and read it. This is the strength of internet. Deniers were always and no surprise they come immediately after something important has been posted. How about CIA admission of 50% saucers being their own, while the other 50% they don't know about? Let think with our heads. We are not before Disclosure, we are inside a stepwise disclosure that rolls out since 2009. Obviously it will have a logical end with the arrival of someone. Not necessarily Jesus Himself, but we have to be prepared for all eventualities. Including something good to happen on earth or to those who want it all their lives. It is not strange therefore, that now Saint pope John XXIII reportedly encountered a landing saucer in Castel Gandolfo, in the presence of cardinal Capovilla, now 98, and allegedly talked with one human extraterrestrial coming out of the saucer, about the world peace. Things that better be included in the next papal document, if the desire is for more people to get encounter with the God's messengers, and not less. I hope that is the desire of God's servants on earth, despite all the past. It wil be too pity if we have to listen to God's messengers words contrary to what God's representatives on Earth say about them. I have made my choice, and many others did or will do.

a reply to: 2012newstart

All this bloke proves to me is that religion is man made crap.

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: AdmireTheDistance
3600 year orbit (+- for such a large time period) is not a fairy tale number, it is a Sumer number.

Uh-huh. So which specific Sumerian text says this, and what line in that text?

a reply to: 2012newstart

One thing you seem to have forgotten (or willfully ignored to fit your agenda), is that planet 9 does not in fact have a 3600 year orbit. It is actually estimated to have a 10,000 year orbit.

originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: Gryphon66

Irrelevant whether it is or not really the idea is that religion was influenced by extra terrestrials or not, especially the dessert ones

Mmmm... dessert religion..

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Excellent fact based reply!

One quibble. Does Islam believe that Prophet Isa, pbhn, aka "Jesus Christ" is the only begotten Son of God, that he died on a Roman Cross for the sins of humanity, was divinely resurrected on the third morning, and that he is, in fact, co-equal in substance with Allah?

If not, I would contend, in return that the literary character that Islam "reveres," Prophet Isa, is related to but is significantly distinct and different to the character "Jesus Christ" ...

Kind of like comparing Superman and Captain Marvel, or Merlin and Gandalf, etc.

I mean no disrespect, per se.

I was actually quite clear when I described him. We view him as one of the 4 most revered Prophets of Islam. This is because the Prophets Moses/Musa, Dawood/David, Essa/Jesus, and Muhammad were all given God's Holy Scriptures. Moses was given the Tawrat/Torah. David was given the Zabur (which is believed to be a version of today's Psalms, though I have my doubts). Essa was given the Injeel/Gospel, which he preached from (today's "Gospels" are simply 2nd and 3rd hand stories of Essa's endeavors while preaching from the Injeel). And Muhammad was given the Qur'an.

We view all of God's Prophets as mortal humans, and thus, worship the God who sent & inspired them. God allowed many of them to perform miracles in His name and the Prophet Essa is a special case even in that regard. The Qur'an says he was indeed the offspring of a virgin birth. But that is simply because everything is easy for God, who only had to say "Be!" for it to happen. So no, we don't see him as our lord or savior. We see him as one of our 4 most revered Prophets.

But instead of hearing it from me, why not read this for yourself? Start at line number 40 & just keep reading until you're satisfied. This is the Qur'an, Pickthall translation; and it can describe this better than I can.
Qur'an 3:40 onwards

And here are just 2 more quotes about him from Surah 2 of the Qur'an, passages 136 and 253 (once again, Pickthall translation).

136. Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.

253. Of those messengers, some of whom We have caused to excel others, and of whom there are some unto whom Allah spake, while some of them He exalted (above others) in degree; and We gave Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty) and We supported him with the holy Spirit. And if Allah had so willed it, those who followed after them would not have fought one with another after the clear proofs had come unto them. But they differed, some of them believing and some disbelieving. And if Allah had so willed it, they would not have fought one with another; but Allah doeth what He will.

www.khayma.com...

EDIT: One more thing.

We believe the "Jesus" of the Bible is an exaggerated and incomplete version in some ways. We believe he was the offspring of a virgin birth, was the son of Mariam/Mary, performed miracles, and preached the word of God. We do not believe he was God, the son of God, or that he shares power with God. And we don't believe he died on the cross either (it's in the Qur'an but I'm admittedly not in the mood to look for that quote). The man Essa, the High Priest of the Essenes, matches up far more to the man Issa/Jesus of the Qur'an, which shouldn't be a surprise. The Essenes were the largest group of followers and supporters of the man who was mocked by the Pharisees and Sadduccees as "Yeshu", then honored as "Yeshu'a" by the messianic Jews during the Jewish-Roman war that led to the fall of the 2nd Temple.

So to be accurate, we revere Essa (of the Essenes), who was mocked as Yeshu (by the largest Jewish denominations), who was honored as Yeshu'a (by Saul/Paul and the Messianic Jews), who was then worshiped as Jesus (by the new sects called Christians).

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

In fact, even some Hindu interpretations respect the Prophet Jesus. Some scholars equate him to being an avatar of one of their deities; some say he may have spent his childhood in India because of the similarities of his teachings; and others even equate his life with Krishna! Though it's worth noting that "Hinduism" is far more vast/open than many other religions, to the point that nearly anything can fit into it, depending on the scholar.

I'd be glad to see references to these Hindu scholars just for my general awareness. I have heard the "Jesus in India" legend before but was unaware that it is a part of Hindu doctrine, particulary since, as you rightly point out, Hindus fit some 100,000 gods and goddesses, devas, demons, etc. into their framework ... but they hardly share the Christian claim that "Jesus Christ" is the only begotten Son of God, etc. etc. etc.

Thank you for any response.

I think you're making a major assumption here. Hinduism isn't one religion with a doctrine; it's a vast collection of religions and traditions. In fact, if you look into the history of it, it was only labeled as one religion by outsiders. Hinduism is more the way of life of the people in that subcontinent than a religion. In other words, it's better to think of "Hinduism" as a blanket term for thousands of traditions, local religions, medium sized religions, and much more.

Many times, large religious, political, & military leaders tried to unite the people of the different territories. One major aspect of this was a concept that's similar to the Catholics "interpretatio Christiana", which entails "reinterpreting" different religions and customs to fit the other religion. This is where a lot of the cross stories about Hindu deities comes from, how one "deity" has 50 different named "aspects", avatars, hidden modes and the such.

Think of it like this: if the European colonists collectively called all of the thousands of different Native American religions "Cherokeeism". Then they tried to reconcile Muscogee beliefs with the Inuit beliefs, by cross referencing different deities and their similarities, then saying they were actually the same deities (like Thor & Odin compared to Zeus because of their lightning and status).

This is why I said some scholars and some interpretations of Hinduism do this. Hinduism has religious leaders and new interpretations of things, just like every other religion does. I didn't say the Prophet Jesus was in the Vedas or the Ramayana; I said some scholars say blah blah blah. The same way a Baptist preacher can have an interpretation of something and his/her followers may agree with that interpretation; but that doesn't mean all Protestants agree with it.

a reply to: 2012newstart


Extraterrestrial on the idea that they all validate the Fallen Angels that came to earth, made hybrid offspring(nephlim), taught humans advanced ways of thinking, built memorials to glorify themselves. But since we are so far from that history, humans have become dumber with their theories, looking to excuse religious history and instead say it was ET space monsters that were here. Not according to the most ancient sources of history. Newer generations should really pay attention to their ancestors rather than thinking they are supreme in knowledge.

a reply to: TheCretinHop

You are right, pure arrogance is to blame that and the secrecy compounded through outright lies and denials...

Yet the evidence speaks volumes on the past and points to superior knowledge ability and technology...

And that's simply dealing with the construction of the past let alone the information...

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
I don't care how many of you do not believe in God...

Know this much...

GOD by definition is the creator of the universe...

This means he would be beyond his creation... exist outside of it have full dominion or controll over it yet be unbound by its laws...

Guess what...

That means God is an Alien...

And if he's the one from the bible, he/ she's a psycho.