Ending Poverty is Impossible without Globalization

a reply to: infolurker

I'm 36 thank you, and I know plenty of history, enough to know there are exceptions to every rule, and one can learn from past mistakes to do better than past failures.

The first guns blew up in peoples faces more often than they worked. If people stopped because the first one killed someone, we wouldn't have the guns we have today. Same with most technology. If you give up on something because of a few failures, and refuse to tweek it til you find the right solution to a problem, you live forever in caves.

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: infolurker

I'm 36 thank you, and I know plenty of history, enough to know there are exceptions to every rule, and one can learn from past mistakes to do better than past failures.

The first guns blew up in peoples faces more often than they worked. If people stopped because the first one killed someone, we wouldn't have the guns we have today. Same with most technology. If you give up on something because of a few failures, and refuse to tweek it til you find the right solution to a problem, you live forever in caves.

We can end this quick.

Will peoples and nations have a choice in joining your new world order? If not, how many millions is acceptable to kill? What religions or nationalist ideas must be eradicated to make your dream come true. What ideologies have no place in your new Utopia? Go ahead, list them out

How many holocausts and genocides will it take to gain victory for your one world government?

a reply to: Puppylove

And the definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing over and over and expecting it to suddenly work out for you when it didn't work the previous times.

Individual governments can't even end poverty.

A global unit would fail proportionally worse.

a reply to: glend

No it doesn't, compartmentalization is why people can be exploited. With laws that affect everyone in every country the same, it eliminates the ability of corporations to do any of those exploitations you mention because we're all one nation.

originally posted by: Puppylove
Without Globalization, it's impossible to end poverty and here's why. As long as countries exist without laws to protect the common worker, as long as countries exist without real human rights laws, there will always be safe havens for corrupt and exploitative business practices.

As is often pointed out, businesses are, to a degree, obligated, to do everything in their power to make as much profit as they can using any means they can get away with. This can mean everything from sweat shops to child slavery, we all know these things happen. Business go to where the people are most easily exploited, where desperation is greatest.

Corporations are a global entity, they are not restricted by state or country, they can go anywhere and take advantage of any countries laws and regulations and in doing so use those to their advantage while ignoring the laws and regulations of many countries with more strict laws and and regulations. This allows them to find the most exploitable workers, as well as tax havens for the profits they make. As global entities they can pick any country and laws that best support themselves, everyone else be damned.

Now before anyone mentions that not all businesses are doing this, that's true. But that's because they recognize that some level of balance and subterfuge needs to be maintained to avoid chaos and annihilation.

Basically what it comes down to is, the only real way to regulate the economy, protect workers, and promote human rights is to be able to do so globally, because as long as exceptions exist, exploitation remains easy for corporations and big business. Big business is global, the laws that protect the people from exploitation is not.

To protect the worker we must do so world wide, or we're doomed to failure.

I keep saying that but they won't fork it over. They're combining some kind of quadrant computer with a super collider to manufacture some kind of man made version of me but the computer is #ing stupid and I'm already a particle lying there in the collider soaking up the rays, can that ho up!

a reply to: ketsuko

It's not doing the same thing, it's looking at what was done before, seeing where it went wrong, and making the tweeks and changes necessary to not have the same results.

There's multiple ways to throw a ball into a hoop, adjusting your technique til you find one that makes you get the ball into the basket is not insanity, but you're still trying to get the ball into the basket is not insanity.

Were I to suggest doing it the exact same way as attempts that failed, then your statement would be correct.

a reply to: Puppylove

As is often pointed out, businesses are, to a degree, obligated, to do everything in their power to make as much profit as they can using any means they can get away with. This can mean everything from sweat shops to child slavery, we all know these things happen. Business go to where the people are most easily exploited, where desperation is greatest.

So essentially they are doing something good for the poorest communities on earth?

Damn I could spin that perspective all day.

a reply to: xuenchen

A global unit is inevitability as humanity evolves the next stage of evolution is working together as unit and exploring the cosmos and discovering other forms of existence.

a reply to: xuenchen

Individual governments can't end poverty because corporations can skirt their attempts to do so by taking advantage of other countries instead. That ability is what needs to be eliminated.

Either A: A country needs to become self sufficient, completely nationalistic and rely on it's own resources. Which can only end poverty in that nation.

or

B: Every country needs to have the same human rights and protections for workers and there must be no tax havens. Which can end poverty everywhere. Thus why I support this one.

Anything else cannot succeed.

a reply to: onequestion

If you consider enslaving them and working them to death something good, then sure.

a reply to: onequestion



50,000 more years of devolving, we will be Borg.

The Human Species is already peaked.

All downhill from here.

a reply to: Puppylove

But there's already been (and are) countries that kill and nationalize corporations.

All fail.

Corporations might not be the enemy.

a reply to: infolurker

Endless war or one big one....

Death by infection, or survival by removing a limb.

We're at war worldwide now, with death happening everyday by people killing each other for reasons of maintaining this divide.

Don't pretend we're better off now.

a reply to: Puppylove

It is naive to believe that ceding our rights to a central power will make things better. The more power is centralized the more it is unopposed and corruption is inevitable. The best way to have strong, individual rights is to have a weak central government that fears its citizens.

The idea that government solves problems or works for people has been proven false time and time again throughout history. Government is the enemy not the solution.

a reply to: Puppylove

The communist and socialists have been saying this from day one.

a reply to: xuenchen

Yes but what policies did they enact, what was the system they came up with, what were their priorities. There are wrong ways to go about trying the same thing.

Running into a wall, or building a ladder and climbing over it, are two ways to try and get passed it. One is much more effective. Just because they tried to do something doesn't mean they did it the right way.

As I said earlier, if at first you don't succeed, adjust your technique and try again.

a reply to: Metallicus

Yes but we need global citizens united to really have teeth, we're too divided to fight corruption, we need to be one people so we can truly hold those in power accountable to all of us.

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: glend

No it doesn't, compartmentalization is why people can be exploited. With laws that affect everyone in every country the same, it eliminates the ability of corporations to do any of those exploitations you mention because we're all one nation.

If all the worlds people were paid the same wage wouldn't globalization end tomorrow because the cost of shipping would make exporting/importing goods unprofitable against locally made goods. So globalist really don't want to end world poverty because they profit from it.

a reply to: Puppylove

No, there are no tweaks. They are running the same old Marxist playbook with the idea that this time, they're smart enough to make the command economy work. It's the same idea, but this time they thing they can use computers to keep track of it all.