Ben Carson Threatens To Leave The GOP

Well, this could be an interesting twist and I intend this to be a very broad topic. I've long thought Trump plans to break from Republicans and run as an independent to split the conservative vote. I still do.

I also think he wants to wreak havoc on the GOP along the way. And I still do.

I operate on the premise that the 'Establishment' is Congress . They spend and divert America's financial resources and they are beholden to the globalists/corporations/bankers/Wall Street. The two parties run Congress, so in my opinion -- based on they way Congress operates -- the two parties are in cahoots. From my view, together the two parties have selected the next POTUS and are working together to manipulate this election. It's clear the Establishment chose Obama. It's clear they chose Bush Jr. They will also choose our next POTUS.

The scam they are playing is obvious: Profit from a War on Terror by vilifying Muslims AND profit from democratic spending policies by vilifying Christians.

It's a gold mine operation. We are not getting any kind of fiscal and social conservative, in 2016. Too much ground work has been laid, leading us the opposite direction over the last 8 years, and 'they' are not throwing all that hard work out the window now.

The fact is, Trump exists to profit. He's never been convicted to his political views, and I don't buy that he has the most conviction for his political views now. Everything Trump has been doing during this campaign is meant to pad his bottom line somehow, somewhere. His life says it's so. And his life's record in politics screams "I'm a provocateur and a political operative."

What comes out of his mouth doesn't mesh with his actual record.

So....what if Carson is also meant to split the conservative vote? That would be devastating for the GOP if both Carson and Trump break from the party.

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If I were wanting democrats to win with a huge mandate and a bright, bright future....having both Trump and Carson split the conservative vote with the GOP would be a brilliant plan.

What makes people so certain that any candidate/party can be trusted with their vote and rises above the other(s)?

It's all bread and circuses. If the rabbit hole is really this deep, then who people vote for doesn't matter. They don't have to be so covert or manipulative if "they" really choose the President. The easiest thing would be voting machines that just did nothing. Much cheaper and easier to just fake it. Since profit is the biggest thing, cheap and easy is the way they'd go. The rest is just distraction. The illusion of choice coupled with the ability to post a "clever" comeback on Facebook is all people need or want.

originally posted by: BarefootInWinter
It's all bread and circuses. If the rabbit hole is really this deep, then who people vote for doesn't matter. They don't have to be so covert or manipulative if "they" really choose the President. The easiest thing would be voting machines that just did nothing. Much cheaper and easier to just fake it. Since profit is the biggest thing, cheap and easy is the way they'd go. The rest is just distraction. The illusion of choice coupled with the ability to post a "clever" comeback on Facebook is all people need or want.

I spent a couple of years looking at the election reforms spurred by the 2000 & 2004 elections -- especially in Florida and Ohio. To me it appears they could have easily been modeled with a purpose of hijacking those systems -- from voter registration systems to voting machines.

A conspiracy I've never heard discussed anywhere but I believe is completely plausible.

Case in point, Ohio registers all voting-age recipients of ODJFS services on their database now...this is the same database that was breached to smear 'Joe the Plumber' in 2008. It's clearly a system that can be breached to smear political enemies and it's completely unsecure from prying eyes.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I saw this this morning and almost posted it, but decided to make a thread about Tarzan instead! lol!

But it's interesting no doubt. The GOP is all over the place and this is going to finish off any potential for any of them to be elected. They can't even run their own party, and we expect them to know how to run the government? Fat chance.
....And now talk of Romney taking the Nominee position at the RNC? Have you ever seen such a mess?

They have some time left to salvage what's left of the GOP, if they can figure out HOW. They need to do some pruning.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Political parties do not need to hijack registration systems to voting machines to rig the system. They accomplished that by redistricting.

That is done right in front of us.

At this point, he has so little support. ...... who cares?

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I saw this this morning and almost posted it, but decided to make a thread about Tarzan instead! lol!

But it's interesting no doubt. The GOP is all over the place and this is going to finish off any potential for any of them to be elected. They can't even run their own party, and we expect them to know how to run the government? Fat chance.
....And now talk of Romney taking the Nominee position at the RNC? Have you ever seen such a mess?

They have some time left, and get a handle on this if they can figure out HOW.

I've never seen anything like it. From the get-go when the GOP presented SEVENTEEN 'CONTENDER' CANDIDATES to the DNC's two? And to offer 16 watered-down candidates and one loudmouth who could get his supporters to defend the most divisive rhetoric with the mantra "Trump is refreshingly honest and un-PC!"...please. It's so orchestrated.

It was clear at the outset that the GOP did not want any candidate to take enthusiasm from Trump and that they were out to sabotage the party and its chances.

All one has to do to see the "truth" in US politics is to take a look at a Congressional district map. Gerrymandering has carved the country up where sometimes there are nearly small islands of voters just off of the weirdly shaped district coast also belonging to said district.

And they KEEP IT THAT WAY. Both sides. The whole show of "Aaargh, I'm Conservative!!!" against "Aaargh, I'm Liberal!!!" Is just that. A show.
They all still play golf together on your tax dollar dime.

You notice Hillary isn't saying much? Her operative in the GOP is destroying it from the inside. If nothing else Trump is a good s*** stirrer.

All Hillary has to do is sit back ad laugh as republican candidates go down in flames.

I think you're right, he'll jump ship and take a lot of support with him, heaping disdain on his former opponents, paid for by the Plutocracy, right up until election time.

And all he has to do is poke fun and insult the GOP, making them waste their resources dancing to his tune in the media.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Political parties do not need to hijack registration systems to voting machines to rig the system. They accomplished that by redistricting.

That is done right in front of us.

That may be true, but this is also true:

In Ohio, if you receive ODJFS services, you must be asked if you want to register to vote. Yes or no, your signature is collected and all the details are entered into their database.

In Ohio, a piece of mail from the ODJFS will serve as ID at the polls.

In Ohio, there are now efforts to move polling stations out of poorer neighborhoods to areas where voters' faces are unknown to poll workers and they have to take an hour-long bus ride to and from.

In Ohio, a busload of people could arrive at a polling station with nothing but a piece of mail from the ODJFS and cast a fraudulent vote without raising any suspicion whatsoever.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

It does sound that way, doesn't it. They might eventually end up splitting, with one of the 'splits" eventually fizzling out. The teaparty people have not done them any favors either. In my opinion. The libertarians have a tendency to vote Republican too. Its' a salad. Untrue to itself. The only thing that can be true to itself in that condition... is a salad. lol.

But it does seem -unfair- I guess is the word I'm looking for, that anyone can say "I affiliate with this (party) and this is what I believe" and then begin saying the most outrageous things, AS IF it represents the whole of the party.

But one thing's for sure, it's not the Grand Ole Party anymore. I'm not sure what it is. Some kind of schizophrenic creature who's in self-destruct mode.

originally posted by: olaru12
At this point, he has so little support. ...... who cares?

Well, it serves to peel away a few percentage points and further fracture the party. Something I imagine democrats would relish.

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
ut it does seem -unfair- I guess is the word I'm looking for, that anyone can say "I affiliate with this (party) and this is what I believe" and then begin saying the most outrageous things, AS IF it represents the whole of the party.

I agree. I think 'unfair' is a word I've used myself. I registered 'unaffiliated' because I did not want to be unfairly aligned with any candidate or party.

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

I love the mystery and political intrigue surrounding the gop! o
The right must be in a tizzy.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: ladyinwaiting

I love the mystery and political intrigue surrounding the gop! o
The right must be in a tizzy.

True, and on the left, the DNC did all they could to drag Obama over the finish line, in 2008. Hillary, herself, helped by keeping her name on the Michigan ballot while Obama removed his. For months, the DNC and the media called for Hillary to bow out of the race even though she led/won the popular vote.

Obama was treated like a Rock Star by the party and the media.

Now, democrats have Bernie who seems far more convincingly progressive and experienced than Obama. And what does the DNC do to support him? Nothing.

They chose the last guy and they will chose again.

The right is in a tizzy because they are allowing themselves to be critical of the party thanks to Trump.

Democrats haven't been given permission to vocalize to how awful their party is. Both sides are so easily led.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Now, democrats have Bernie who seems far more convincingly progressive and experienced than Obama. And what does the DNC do to support him? Nothing.

Right, he's not the fair-haired child and won't make it. It's already settled.

I sense that you and I may be on slightly different sides of the aisle and look! We don't hate each other! We aren't insulting each other!

It's an ATS Christmas miracle! lol.

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Now, democrats have Bernie who seems far more convincingly progressive and experienced than Obama. And what does the DNC do to support him? Nothing.

Right, he's not the fair-haired child and won't make it. It's already settled.

I sense that you and I may be on slightly different sides of the aisle and look! We don't hate each other! We aren't insulting each other!

It's an ATS Christmas miracle! lol.

If you can pinpoint my aisle, please let me now. I'm not even sure where I stand anymore. Fiscally, I skate somewhere between an outright socialist and a complete distrust in Congress to spend one dime in a socialist economy.

Socially, I can safely say I am progressive.

(eta: Also, I appreciate political debate without the hate, too. A welcome observation on your part. Cheers to the miracle!)

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I hear ya.

But as far as Carson, I think he's washed up anyway. Too many nebulous comments he hasn't been able to clear up. But I am a bit confused over what he thinks he can gain from going Independent. Trump- the prima-donna- is crying because he perceives he is being mistreated; I have no idea what Carson's camp is thinking.

It is interesting to watch it all play out ...

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: ladyinwaiting

I love the mystery and political intrigue surrounding the gop! o
The right must be in a tizzy.

I think they must be in a tailspin; with Humpty-Dumpty teeter-tottering on the edge. They need to call in all the king's horses and all the kings men already - and better make it a 911 call.

Bye Benlicia.

Seriously, does anybody care at this point? That dude lost me a while ago with some of his comments. Nobody is leaving their party because it would destroy any chance they have of winning the election.