Ted Cruz says there is no ‘war on women’ because we don’t have a condom shortage

originally posted by: Boadicea
Nope.... just countless studies showing a link. But, of course, you could easily find those yourself if you were so inclined.

So much for asking nicely... It's always pulling teeth to get someone to back their claims up... Burden of Proof

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Birth control methods, as I stated above, are not FAIL-SAFE, 100% effective at preventing pregnancy. They just aren't. I speak from experience.

If a couple wants to engage in sex in a mutually loving, respectful relationship - but don't want a child - they need to discuss ahead of time what they will do.
At this time, abortion is legal. Sure, the man should have a right to voice his opinion about the possibility of pregnancy.

I was 16 when I gave up my virginity - and I talked to my boyfriend at length about what if I got pregnant. I didn't, but I might have.

Then there's also the chance of a one-time-only encounter where the guy doesn't ever know the girl got pregnant....and she takes care of it on her own. (Has not happened to me; all occurrences were discussed openly and the solution agreed upon.)

ETA: I will add that when I was in college in the 70s and early 80s, when sexual hook-ups were very common, I did avail myself of the campus clinic to get morning-after pills a couple of times. To me, that's a viable form of birth control. A woman can't know that soon, but the morning-after pills are a super-high dose of hormones that causes the body to reject implantation. Is it effective? As far as I know, yes. Did I know for sure I was pregnant? NOPE. I just got them to avert the potential. No harm, no foul.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: olaru12

The whole "war on women" is going to fail. It's cheap ammo from the democrat arsenal. Just look at Hillary's treatment of women and you'll see a "war on women".

Maybe...

Then,

The Republicans better start doing something "for" women like supporting equal pay and reproductive rights. That could help counter the perception that the Republicans have declared war on women.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I find it some sort of amazing and hilarious that men keep discussing women's reproductive health care, like it's their business.

When women start having children through immaculate conception or without the need for male sperm, then i suppose you will have a leg to stand on

I find it frankly offensive that women believe that males who are also the biological parents of the offspring have no say in it what so ever.....

Militant feminism at work

Your "say" ends when you pull your Richard out of your pants and have unprotected sex. If your Richard'a so rough and tough that he busts rhe condom, it's an an accident but still her body.

Men just need to stay out if this debate entirely. Is that militant/clear enough for you?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

So then the body can tell the difference?

Cognitive dissonance

Red herring.

Cognitive dissonance

You do know that a potato is living thing right?

Straw man

I never said any of those things so this is a strawman.

You guessed it, more cognitive dissonance

a reply to: olaru12

I'm laughing. The GOP are going to circle their wagons and do absolutely nothing of substance. Same as the democrats.

But it does make for amusing theatre.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I find it some sort of amazing and hilarious that men keep discussing women's reproductive health care, like it's their business.

When women start having children through immaculate conception or without the need for male sperm, then i suppose you will have a leg to stand on

I find it frankly offensive that women believe that males who are also the biological parents of the offspring have no say in it what so ever.....

Militant feminism at work

Your "say" ends when you pull your Richard out of your pants and have unprotected sex. If your Richard'a so rough and tough that he busts rhe condom, it's an an accident but still her body.

Men just need to stay out if this debate entirely. Is that militant/clear enough for you?

Wow, so your standpoint that regardless that the man is the biological father and that DNA says hes the father, despite the fact a woman cannot asexually produce, the MALE has no say?

Well if thats the case I suppose then we should put an immediate halt to women trying to get child support from men who dont want to be involved in the childs life eh?

Funny how that sword has two sharp edges

Sorry, but if im the father , I have a say, its my child too

You would think women would be happy that men want to have a say and want to be involved

Militant feminism has turned the whole thing upside down

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
Guess I derailed the OP's thread
(sorry, olaru) - but as long as we're talking about Cruz's nincompoopiness, we ought to look at the whole picture, not just one asinine remark he's made; oughtn't we?

I should have said that I was talking about Cruz and his condom remark. I don't think anyone derailed.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Weak sauce, unless your after stars. Why don't you see if your talented enough to fit more words in my mouth there you transparent little squirt?

Man, you should run for office.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Then there's also the chance of a one-time-only encounter where the guy doesn't ever know the girl got pregnant....and she takes care of it on her own. (Has not happened to me; all occurrences were discussed openly and the solution agreed upon.)

indeed this does happen, but there again thats a choice the woman made, what if the man actually wanted to be a part of that?

In that case hasnt the woman taken it upon herself to take the option out of the mans hands and exerted her will over his own in making that choice FOR him?

I see that as two sides of the same coin

There are dead beats out there, of course , But its my standpoint that voiding the male (except in cases or rape or incest) of an option to be in his childs life, or even giving the child the OPTION of life, is no better then what women are accusing men of doing

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

I find it frankly offensive that women believe that males who are also the biological parents of the offspring have no say in it what so ever.....

Militant feminism at work

Women are not incubators

Our bodies belong to us

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: olaru12

I'm laughing. The GOP are going to circle their wagons and do absolutely nothing of substance. Same as the democrats.

But it does make for amusing theatre.

Quite so, and a nice pay day for me. This race for the WH should be one for the record books. Already The money being spent on media services is astonishing. It's a blessing to be on that end of it.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Okay, well, as I added to my post - I have used morning-after pills a couple of times. Just In Case. Do you think that's also heinous murder?

originally posted by: benwyatt
Why don't you see if your talented enough to fit more words in my mouth there you transparent little squirt?

Sure. You seem to want to restrict abortion in the outside chance that a women, after having told a man that she wants to get pregnant, changes her mind. That about sum it up, champ?

Anything else you want me to squeeze in there?

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

I've always maintained that it isn't entirely fair to edge a man out of the decision to get an abortion, but because the baby is ultimately carried in the woman's womb, she should get the deciding vote on the matter. I usually weight the opinion of the man at 40% and the woman at 60%.

a reply to: olaru12

You're in the business. The presidential run reminds me of an old movie. "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World".

Don't know if you're familiar with it. But that's what it reminds me of.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
You're in the business. The presidential run reminds me of an old movie. "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World".

Complete with a suitcase full of money for the victor.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

So much for asking nicely... It's always pulling teeth to get someone to back their claims up... Burden of Proof

Really, Krazyshot? That's a cheap shot and you know it.

From Joel Brind, a professor of biology and endocrinology at Baruch College, City University of New York, and a board member and co-founder of the Breast Cancer Prevention Institute:

In 1996, a research team I headed up published a comprehensive review and meta-analysis of worldwide research on the subject — some 23 studies. Our finding of a statistically significant, 30 percent increase in breast cancer among women who had had an abortion prompted a major, decade-long backlash from many mainstream medical organizations, medical journals, and government public-health ministries.

A 2014 meta-analysis of 36 studies from mainland China reported a 44 percent overall increase in breast-cancer risk among women who had had an abortion. But the strongest evidence comes from South Asia — India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka — where the typical woman marries young, has several children and breastfeeds them all, and never drinks alcohol or smokes cigarettes. In such populations, where there is little else besides abortion to cause breast cancer, relative risks for abortion average greater than fourfold and as high as twentyfold, according to at least a dozen South Asian studies in the past five years alone.

From the American College of Pediatricians

In February 2013, Dr. Johnson and her colleagues made national news when they reported an increased incidence of metastatic breast cancer in young women in the U.S. aged 25 – 39 years. Other epidemiological studies from China, India, and Romania demonstrate an increasing incidence of breast cancer as abortions increased – with a “dose effect” showing an increasing risk of breast cancer with each subsequent abortion. President Den Trumbull states, “When one considers the normal anatomy and physiology of the breast it becomes clear that this link is causal not merely correlational.”

You're better than such cheap shots. If you want to challenge/discuss/argue the conclusions of the many studies and/or experts who claim a link, you know I would have gladly done so. But suggesting no such link has ever been made and demanding links that you could have easily found yourself is just silly.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

I find it frankly offensive that women believe that males who are also the biological parents of the offspring have no say in it what so ever.....

Militant feminism at work

Women are not incubators

Our bodies belong to us

men are not just sperm donors , our offspring belong to us as well

If thats how you feel again i suggest that you petition to remove men from any financial responsibility when it comes to children

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Okay, well, as I added to my post - I have used morning-after pills a couple of times. Just In Case. Do you think that's also heinous murder?

not in the slightest! I think thats a responsible action