Man Tells Cops They Can't Search His Home Without A Warrant, Cops Kick His Door Down & Kill Him

a reply to: stolencar18

The police have had time to claim that they had a warrant. No such claim has been made. Is it so hard for you to see this for what it is? Without a warrant, the cop should not have been in the guy's home in the first place, making this a home invasion/murder, period.

originally posted by: ghostrager
a reply to: infolurker

I've been on the wrong side of a cop that didn't know/care of citizens constitutional rights.

It's scary as hell because the cop doesn't view you as a person, just as a "threat". Don't dare stand up for yourself or your rights because their power trip will have the last say. If you make a wrong move they "need to protect themselves", even if they f'd up initially, you'll be six feet under unless you obey.

I have no problem with law enforcement as a necessity, but it seems so many LEO's have the "us vs. them" mentality instead of upholding their oath of honor.

Ghost

I feel more comfortable around criminals then cops... which should speak volumes about the current state of law enforcement.

They pretty much operate like a gang that is armed to the teeth and can get away with murder. I suppose there is a reason why they were renamed from Peace Officers to Law Enforcement, their job isn't to protect and serve the public, it's to enforce the rules set by the government.

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I do however disagree greatly, that it is the responsibility of the Whites, Blacks, Reds, Greens or Browns. It is the responsibility and duty of "all" Americans.

We cannot afford to allow them to divide us. Divided we lose; they win.

You actually don't disagree because that's what I believe, too. My mention of race was to preempt the posters who feel that white communities deserve medals because they do not hit the streets when this sort of thing happens.

We aren't alone in thinking how stupid that logic is. This is why you do see a few white folk here and there during the backlash for police shooting involving unarmed black people. Some realize it is a public servant vs public issue and not a black/white issue. The BLM movement is justified as they are acknowledging the disparity between demographics of the victims.

But yeah, the separation keeps us manageable and oppressed. I love the cops in my town but if that sort of thing happened here, I will be demanding answers.

What we really should be demanding is the whole story, and/ or the whole video.

Nobody at ATS knows what happened. The title of the OP is just about as deep as the knowledge goes right now....and it's sort of slanted, just a wee bit lol.

a reply to: infolurker

Cops are like muslims. Most of them are good but theres a few that read there handbook the wrong way and act, kill and rape just like isis. Dont blame all cops just like you shouldnt blame all muslims. The only differance is good muslims dont support radical muslims yet good cops are bound by "the blue wall of silence" and support what the bad ones do by not standing up to them or exposing them.

originally posted by: Konduit

originally posted by: ghostrager
a reply to: infolurker

I've been on the wrong side of a cop that didn't know/care of citizens constitutional rights.

It's scary as hell because the cop doesn't view you as a person, just as a "threat". Don't dare stand up for yourself or your rights because their power trip will have the last say. If you make a wrong move they "need to protect themselves", even if they f'd up initially, you'll be six feet under unless you obey.

I have no problem with law enforcement as a necessity, but it seems so many LEO's have the "us vs. them" mentality instead of upholding their oath of honor.

Ghost

I feel more comfortable around criminals then cops... which should speak volumes about the current state of law enforcement.

Ah, a little background on the local cop-hate lol.

a reply to: Bedlam

Apparently you forget reasonable suspicion is. Not saying that was the case, but there are conditions where LEO can enter without a warrant.

I don't know why everyone on here thinks a warrant is mandatory 100% of the time.

This entire thing reeks of cop haters making crap up. The entire story. You guys should all be ashamed. You have less than half the story and zero proof at all and you're ready to hang the guy.

Can he lawfully enter without a warrant? Yes.
Is his statement being considered by you? No.
Has any evidence, such as dash cams, body cams, local video, etc been provided? No, but it may not exist.
Any forensics analysed and factored in yet? No.

Your ENTIRE story is "This other guy said that the cop busted the door down and shot him, so it must be true".

If ATS confirmed conspiracies around 9/11, Area 51, Bigfoot, and aliens the same way ATS crucifies cops this site would be out of material.

originally posted by: greydaze
a reply to: infolurker
That was a straight up Murder/Home invasion..Smfh,These kind of stories make My blood boil.

This is a straight up BS statement. SMFH.

originally posted by: gflyg
a reply to: infolurker

Cops are like muslims. Most of them are good but theres a few that read there handbook the wrong way and act, kill and rape just like isis. Dont blame all cops just like you shouldnt blame all muslims. The only differance is good muslims dont support radical muslims yet good cops are bound by "the blue wall of silence" and support what the bad ones do by not standing up to them or exposing them.

There are millions of jihadist muslims. # of bad cops is just a little bit smaller. Also, let us know the next time you see a cop with a backpack bomb, or in any other way killing 100's.

You may have stumbled onto the worst comparison ever conceived.

originally posted by: stolencar18

originally posted by: greydaze
a reply to: infolurker
That was a straight up Murder/Home invasion..Smfh,These kind of stories make My blood boil.

This is a straight up BS statement. SMFH.

People often post what they want to be true around here, seldom what they know to be true.

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: infolurker

I'm guessing there won't be any rioting in North Carolina? Why not? This isn't a vague racist remark. This is a serious question. WHY NOT?!

Why are white communities so docile when it comes to allowing themselves to be abused? I always hear of how black communities are "bad" because they react to injustices but that's how it should be. When police do this, it needs to cost the city money. Every time. Eventually, the folks in charge will realize that it's far more cost-effective to promote better training and stricter punishment for cops than to defend them in court all the time.

Wow, I think we have a racist.
White folks don't riot, we vote, we contact our representatives in congress, we write letters to the local paper. There may be more than a few that will do more, but most of us are working and trying to make a living and pay the bills.

originally posted by: stolencar18
a reply to: Bedlam

Apparently you forget reasonable suspicion is. Not saying that was the case, but there are conditions where LEO can enter without a warrant.

I don't know why everyone on here thinks a warrant is mandatory 100% of the time.

lol, yes, like slamming a door in the cops' face, as though there's something that needs to be hidden from them.

That just MAY cause a cop to come on in. Amazing how simple logic and obvious likelihoods are avoided like the plague, in the greater effort to make the cops 100% guilty of everything. Never the fault of the guy with a rap sheet a mile long, lol.

originally posted by: frostie
a reply to: infolurker

Yeah bet the cops get off free.

And.. how is there even an argument going on in this thread...?

Could it be that there's no credible proof of anything yet ? Just angry people grousing about cops ?

This could lead somebody to think that they have a right to engage in a discussion or argument about it. Shocking, huh ?

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: stolencar18
a reply to: Bedlam

Apparently you forget reasonable suspicion is. Not saying that was the case, but there are conditions where LEO can enter without a warrant.

I don't know why everyone on here thinks a warrant is mandatory 100% of the time.

lol, yes, like slamming a door in the cops' face, as though there's something that needs to be hidden from them.

That just MAY cause a cop to come on in. Amazing how simple logic and obvious likelihoods are avoided like the plague, in the greater effort to make the cops 100% guilty of everything. Never the fault of the guy with a rap sheet a mile long, lol.

This is a possibility, yes. I could speculate a million things. Maybe the cop saw something else. Who knows. I won't speculate. All I'm saying is that there ARE are warrant exceptions, and that the ONLY story that exists on his is what biased witnesses had to say. There's absolutely no proof YET.

This doesn't mean the cop is innocent. It doesn't mean the deceased is innocent. It means most people on here only know 1% of the story and they're ready to convict. It shows how biased people are. This forum has become what everyone jokes about LAPD...shoot first, ask questions later, except it's ATS pulling the trigger on cops, figuratively, without any info.

a reply to: stolencar18

Well, we can agree on this much, I also will be very interested to hear what the cops side of the story is and if any video was taken and will be made available. Yes, warrants are not always required, but the standard to enforce a warrant less search needs to be HIGH...a life or death situation. We do know the man they were looking for was not found in the dead man's home and eye witness statements that he declined to have his home searched and closed his door, which was then knocked down...WHY ???

a reply to: stolencar18

The fact is, anywhere else in the civilised world other than the U.S and the victim would still be alive. That is 100% fact.
Your police like to kill, the stats back it up.

originally posted by: stolencar18

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: stolencar18
a reply to: Bedlam

Apparently you forget reasonable suspicion is. Not saying that was the case, but there are conditions where LEO can enter without a warrant.

I don't know why everyone on here thinks a warrant is mandatory 100% of the time.

lol, yes, like slamming a door in the cops' face, as though there's something that needs to be hidden from them.

That just MAY cause a cop to come on in. Amazing how simple logic and obvious likelihoods are avoided like the plague, in the greater effort to make the cops 100% guilty of everything. Never the fault of the guy with a rap sheet a mile long, lol.

This is a possibility, yes. I could speculate a million things. Maybe the cop saw something else. Who knows. I won't speculate. All I'm saying is that there ARE are warrant exceptions, and that the ONLY story that exists on his is what biased witnesses had to say. There's absolutely no proof YET.

This doesn't mean the cop is innocent. It doesn't mean the deceased is innocent. It means most people on here only know 1% of the story and they're ready to convict. It shows how biased people are. This forum has become what everyone jokes about LAPD...shoot first, ask questions later, except it's ATS pulling the trigger on cops, figuratively, without any info.

I was agreeing with you 100 %.

Granted this is supposed to be conspiracy site, but it's ridiculous how many people just hate cops period, and want absolutely nothing to do with proof or evidence while they accuse cops of everything.

We must have a LOT of career criminals here at ATS. The only rational explanation for this blind, no-proof hate is people who get arrested a lot.

originally posted by: MountainLaurel
a reply to: stolencar18

Well, we can agree on this much, I also will be very interested to hear what the cops side of the story is and if any video was taken and will be made available. Yes, warrants are not always required, but the standard to enforce a warrant less search needs to be HIGH...a life or death situation. We do know the man they were looking for was not found in the dead man's home and eye witness statements that he declined to have his home searched and closed his door, which was then knocked down...WHY ???

Warrantless searches can be performed if the officer fears for their safety or the publics. Not necessarily life or death.

And to the poster below you, you're speculating. Maybe the Canadian cops would've killed him. Maybe Mexican cops would have. Maybe the Brits would have beat him to death. Who knows.

I hate when people claim something is a 100% fact as if they know it. Perhaps it is LIKELY true, but it is not a 100% fact. Learn what a fact is.

originally posted by: mclarenmp4
a reply to: stolencar18

The fact is, anywhere else in the civilised world other than the U.S and the victim would still be alive. That is 100% fact.
Your police like to kill, the stats back it up.

Well, not really. I think we can make a list of Africa, Middle East, SE Asia, Mexico, South America, Central America, Russia, China, Korea....where cops kick your asses or kill you, without a lot of worry about the complainers.

How does one approach announcing things that are so incredibly untrue ?

Unless you consider the "civilized world" to be a half dozen lily white socialist countries. Why that would be racist.

originally posted by: MountainLaurel
a reply to: stolencar18

Well, we can agree on this much, I also will be very interested to hear what the cops side of the story is and if any video was taken and will be made available. Yes, warrants are not always required, but the standard to enforce a warrant less search needs to be HIGH...a life or death situation. We do know the man they were looking for was not found in the dead man's home and eye witness statements that he declined to have his home searched and closed his door, which was then knocked down...WHY ???

Somebody slams the door on the cops and they just quietly walk away.....they own whatever that person's doing behind that door. Could be nothing or could be Dahmer getting ready to eat somebody, or the guys in Cleveland with the girls hidden away for 10 years. Especially where they fear the cops coming back, so they have to go ahead and kill somebody in a hurry.

Nothing simple or obvious about it. Cops are going on intuition, experience, and human behaviors most of the time. They have to make the call then, not after they've made everybody on the internet happy.

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: MountainLaurel
a reply to: stolencar18

Well, we can agree on this much, I also will be very interested to hear what the cops side of the story is and if any video was taken and will be made available. Yes, warrants are not always required, but the standard to enforce a warrant less search needs to be HIGH...a life or death situation. We do know the man they were looking for was not found in the dead man's home and eye witness statements that he declined to have his home searched and closed his door, which was then knocked down...WHY ???

Somebody slams the door on the cops and they just quietly walk away.....they own whatever that person's doing behind that door. Could be nothing or could be Dahmer getting ready to eat somebody, or the guys in Cleveland with the girls hidden away for 10 years. Especially where they fear the cops coming back, so they have to go ahead and kill somebody in a hurry.

Nothing simple or obvious about it. Cops are going on intuition, experience, and human behaviors most of the time. They have to make the call then, not after they've made everybody on the internet happy.

Agreed.

Now let's hear what the armchair copwatchers of ATS have to say about that.