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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Reallyfolks
If Germany had set fires you might have a point, they didn't but are trying to help as many as they can with the resources they have.
Germany is a member of NATO, NATO set the Middle East on fire. I agree, they are doing their bit.
Das Abkommen tritt am Dienstag in Kraft. Die 20 Asylbewerber wehren sich mit ihrer Klage dagegen, dass sie trotz wochenlanger Warterei vor dem Lageso bisher nicht registriert worden seien und kein Geld zum Lebensunterhalt bekämen. Im Schnitt dauern solche Eilanträge laut Sozialgericht einen Monat, könnten aber auch schneller entschieden werden.
originally posted by: Reallyfolks
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Reallyfolks
If Germany had set fires you might have a point, they didn't but are trying to help as many as they can with the resources they have.
Germany is a member of NATO, NATO set the Middle East on fire. I agree, they are doing their bit.
Many countries are part of NATO are they all to blame
originally posted by: intrptr
originally posted by: Reallyfolks
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Reallyfolks
If Germany had set fires you might have a point, they didn't but are trying to help as many as they can with the resources they have.
Germany is a member of NATO, NATO set the Middle East on fire. I agree, they are doing their bit.
Many countries are part of NATO are they all to blame
You can disassociate that if you like. People let their governments get out of hand, maybe they don't represent the interests of the people anymore, who's fault is that?
"I didn't do that, my government did."
Except you payed your tax and worked in a "defense" plant. And the bureaucrats, workers and soldiers will say, I was just following orders, feeding my kids, earning a living.
originally posted by: Reallyfolks
originally posted by: intrptr
originally posted by: Reallyfolks
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Reallyfolks
If Germany had set fires you might have a point, they didn't but are trying to help as many as they can with the resources they have.
Germany is a member of NATO, NATO set the Middle East on fire. I agree, they are doing their bit.
Many countries are part of NATO are they all to blame
You can disassociate that if you like. People let their governments get out of hand, maybe they don't represent the interests of the people anymore, who's fault is that?
"I didn't do that, my government did."
Except you payed your tax and worked in a "defense" plant. And the bureaucrats, workers and soldiers will say, I was just following orders, feeding my kids, earning a living.
So basically your view is everyone is to blame even if your only fault was paying your taxes to avoid mass penalties and jail time and are now responsible??? Is that what I'm picking up from you?
originally posted by: intrptr
originally posted by: Reallyfolks
originally posted by: intrptr
originally posted by: Reallyfolks
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Reallyfolks
If Germany had set fires you might have a point, they didn't but are trying to help as many as they can with the resources they have.
Germany is a member of NATO, NATO set the Middle East on fire. I agree, they are doing their bit.
Many countries are part of NATO are they all to blame
You can disassociate that if you like. People let their governments get out of hand, maybe they don't represent the interests of the people anymore, who's fault is that?
"I didn't do that, my government did."
Except you payed your tax and worked in a "defense" plant. And the bureaucrats, workers and soldiers will say, I was just following orders, feeding my kids, earning a living.
So basically your view is everyone is to blame even if your only fault was paying your taxes to avoid mass penalties and jail time and are now responsible??? Is that what I'm picking up from you?
I got news for you. Expanding Empires always fail of their own accord. The people are the ones that suffer, for they are the ones making, and manning the weapons.
You want some background, you just look at WWII and how the people of every nation were the ones made to suffer. In the beginning as Japan and Germany expanded, millions died. In the end, as their empires were crumbled, whole cities were eased, carpet bombed, fire bombed and nuked, even.
The people pay the price for their governments action, they are and will be the focus of the International retribution and revenge.
Whats occurring now is still the expansion phase. War abroad and peace at home…
originally posted by: CX
Express stories should be dealt with like Before It's News and the likes.....straight to hoax bin or even banned from ATS.
Looking forward to the annual "gonna be an ice age coming this winter".
CX.
originally posted by: Reallyfolks
originally posted by: intrptr
originally posted by: Reallyfolks
originally posted by: intrptr
originally posted by: Reallyfolks
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Reallyfolks
If Germany had set fires you might have a point, they didn't but are trying to help as many as they can with the resources they have.
Germany is a member of NATO, NATO set the Middle East on fire. I agree, they are doing their bit.
Many countries are part of NATO are they all to blame
You can disassociate that if you like. People let their governments get out of hand, maybe they don't represent the interests of the people anymore, who's fault is that?
"I didn't do that, my government did."
Except you payed your tax and worked in a "defense" plant. And the bureaucrats, workers and soldiers will say, I was just following orders, feeding my kids, earning a living.
So basically your view is everyone is to blame even if your only fault was paying your taxes to avoid mass penalties and jail time and are now responsible??? Is that what I'm picking up from you?
I got news for you. Expanding Empires always fail of their own accord. The people are the ones that suffer, for they are the ones making, and manning the weapons.
You want some background, you just look at WWII and how the people of every nation were the ones made to suffer. In the beginning as Japan and Germany expanded, millions died. In the end, as their empires were crumbled, whole cities were eased, carpet bombed, fire bombed and nuked, even.
Whats occurring now is still the expansion phase. War abroad and peace at home…
You didn't answer my question in all that you typed. Based on your previous comment are you seriously trying to say that a citizen of a country that's part of NATO is responsible for what's going on even if all they did was pay their taxes.
Yes or no?
originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
originally posted by: ManFromEurope
originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Not a single quote or source in that link...
You may have noticed that The Express' symbol is a Templar Crusader...
It's a rag.
& this story is bull#!
No, its real. 3 days old, but it was in the news
Hmm I'm supsicious of the word "Sue"...
I'm still translating the article but it seems to suggest that all they're doing is sending applications to fast track registration.
I stand by The Express being a rag, but thanks for linking the original story.
My apologies for calling BS so soon.
originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Reallyfolks
Isn't the UK Express a tabloid paper?
originally posted by: intrptr
originally posted by: Reallyfolks
originally posted by: intrptr
originally posted by: Reallyfolks
originally posted by: intrptr
originally posted by: Reallyfolks
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Reallyfolks
If Germany had set fires you might have a point, they didn't but are trying to help as many as they can with the resources they have.
Germany is a member of NATO, NATO set the Middle East on fire. I agree, they are doing their bit.
Many countries are part of NATO are they all to blame
You can disassociate that if you like. People let their governments get out of hand, maybe they don't represent the interests of the people anymore, who's fault is that?
"I didn't do that, my government did."
Except you payed your tax and worked in a "defense" plant. And the bureaucrats, workers and soldiers will say, I was just following orders, feeding my kids, earning a living.
So basically your view is everyone is to blame even if your only fault was paying your taxes to avoid mass penalties and jail time and are now responsible??? Is that what I'm picking up from you?
I got news for you. Expanding Empires always fail of their own accord. The people are the ones that suffer, for they are the ones making, and manning the weapons.
You want some background, you just look at WWII and how the people of every nation were the ones made to suffer. In the beginning as Japan and Germany expanded, millions died. In the end, as their empires were crumbled, whole cities were eased, carpet bombed, fire bombed and nuked, even.
Whats occurring now is still the expansion phase. War abroad and peace at home…
You didn't answer my question in all that you typed. Based on your previous comment are you seriously trying to say that a citizen of a country that's part of NATO is responsible for what's going on even if all they did was pay their taxes.
Yes or no?
"All that I typed" should be enough to make one realize in times of war the whole nation is the enemy, just like the west blames Islam for the war on terror, generally. It doesn't matter what people think who's to blame on their side, the other side will bomb the s*** out of everyone and everything. Witness the refugees pouring out of the Middle East.
You don't see that happening now, you're willfully blind or in denial.
Agreed.
originally posted by: Reallyfolks
originally posted by: intrptr
originally posted by: Reallyfolks
originally posted by: intrptr
originally posted by: Reallyfolks
originally posted by: intrptr
originally posted by: Reallyfolks
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Reallyfolks
If Germany had set fires you might have a point, they didn't but are trying to help as many as they can with the resources they have.
Germany is a member of NATO, NATO set the Middle East on fire. I agree, they are doing their bit.
Many countries are part of NATO are they all to blame
You can disassociate that if you like. People let their governments get out of hand, maybe they don't represent the interests of the people anymore, who's fault is that?
"I didn't do that, my government did."
Except you payed your tax and worked in a "defense" plant. And the bureaucrats, workers and soldiers will say, I was just following orders, feeding my kids, earning a living.
So basically your view is everyone is to blame even if your only fault was paying your taxes to avoid mass penalties and jail time and are now responsible??? Is that what I'm picking up from you?
I got news for you. Expanding Empires always fail of their own accord. The people are the ones that suffer, for they are the ones making, and manning the weapons.
You want some background, you just look at WWII and how the people of every nation were the ones made to suffer. In the beginning as Japan and Germany expanded, millions died. In the end, as their empires were crumbled, whole cities were eased, carpet bombed, fire bombed and nuked, even.
Whats occurring now is still the expansion phase. War abroad and peace at home…
You didn't answer my question in all that you typed. Based on your previous comment are you seriously trying to say that a citizen of a country that's part of NATO is responsible for what's going on even if all they did was pay their taxes.
Yes or no?
"All that I typed" should be enough to make one realize in times of war the whole nation is the enemy, just like the west blames Islam for the war on terror, generally. It doesn't matter what people think who's to blame on their side, the other side will bomb the s*** out of everyone and everything. Witness the refugees pouring out of the Middle East.
You don't see that happening now, you're willfully blind or in denial.
Has nothing to do we with exchange we had on responsibility. If I need to repost it I will as a memory refresher. Again are you saying that any country part of NATO and specifically citizens in those countries are responsible for the middle east because they paid their taxes? Yes or no. I prefer you to simply ignore it than go off on another side point. Simple yes or no based on our previous postings in this thread.
Nothing to do with me, I was at the anti-war protest in London 2003 with a good million or so other people.
Previously I protested in 2001 against invading Afghanistan, and I've joined smaller protests 4 times since in London over the years.
I've sent anti war letters to Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, and David Cameron.
I have never voted Labour or Conservative, and I've made monthly donations to Doctors without borders (Médecins Sans Frontières) for over a decade.
Nope, I'm not shouldering any guilt, I've done everything legal in my power to discourage the UK governments (which I didn't vote for) from using military force.
Do I feel sorry for people in crisis, of course I do.
Am I glad that we have the English Channel separating the UK from mainland Europe, yes.
Am I glad that the UK retains control of it's border at France, definitely.
...but personal responsibility for events in the Middle East, nothing , nada, zero.