Very recent epiphany, The gay rights movement has a very sinister agenda.

originally posted by: Tindalos2013
a reply to: GoShredAK

Humans are not special. That fallacy has caused more grief towards the planet Earth and its produce than any other living creature. As for the concept of Satan as well as God it is just the product of fanciful imaginings.

As a species we are pretty unwise and blunder from one crisis to another be it social, religious, military, scientific or economic.

The only end time prophecy that will truly come to pass without human manipulation or interpretation is when the local Sun that keeps this tiny Earth ticking over reaches the end of its current state and destroys this plant as the Sun expands and brightens to dangerous levels.

What about the worlds greatest surfers? Especially in the big wave arena? That is an incomprehensible level of courage and sheer strength. The worlds top ranked fighters? Ever rolled with a purple belt? It's like trying to fight a tree trunk.

Skateboarding big air is inhuman, the 1080 has been done, by a child. 9s are standard. The rest has reached video game level difficulty, it's unreal to watch.

Have you seen "the art of flight?" Do you know what they can do on a dirtbike now?

The list goes on and on and on. People are incredible! And to do things like that with feelings such as fear and morality on your shoulders!

Talent comes in many beautiful forms, it's unfortunate some don't have or can't find theirs

People are unique and amazing, and yes, the majority of us are amazing at being more useless than a virus. We don't all suck.

a reply to: GoShredAK

But you don't have to marry someone of the same gender if you don't want to. No one is forcing you to. See that is the beauty of the Supreme Court's decision. You can marry who you want, and your gay neighbor can marry who they want. That is what America is supposed to be all about. As long as there are no victims, we are free to marry the consenting adult of our choice. ALL of us.

I still don't see the division here.

originally posted by: GoShredAK
I'll sign off now with a final apology to those deserve it, I don't want to Hurt anybody.

Just those who deserve it.

a reply to: GoShredAK

You're getting close, but there are more dots to connect.

It is about abolition of the individual at every level and in every way and what makes you and I distinct from one another.

It has been said that what keeps us from becoming the perfect collective is our inability to be a hive. What makes the hive? The absence of the individual and the actualization of self and what makes us self.

About heaven and hell, this is easily explained. For some people, a gay bar would be like hell while for others it would be heaven. Just so with a mosque, or a church, to one heaven and to another hell.

My idea about heaven is homosexual free and so they would not go to heaven as I envision it, but this does not mean they would go to hell since I believe they will like it there. And no, I don't mean eternal hells or pain or anything like that.

There are many different kinds and degrees of hell and some may even appear as our current world. What I believe about God is that he is like a computer, clockwork or perfectly logical and it's programming is clear but at the same time we are allowed to program ourselves. However I never believed gays really know love, or even some straights who claim to and I myself am still unsure whether or not I have ever truly experienced love and not just lust with some ideas making myself believe it's all true love. Point being I am convinced love is for procreation and same genders cannot do this naturally. So these souls will be searching for love for all of eternity or a short time (in this life and the next) but they will never truly find it and so they will not find peace which I believe eternal marriage would give. I also believe it's possible to have children in the next life, because that's what I believe is part of heaven.

Satan does not exist. End of story. Buh-bye.

originally posted by: Annee
SNIP

Yet any unions other than sexual ones have been thrown under the bus in the war.

If only we could be like other countries and recognize civil unions that do not denote sexual preferences if any.

These types are now forced to fall under the definition of gay even if they do not have sex but just choose to take on lifes challenges together.

That is what highlights this as a war and not just a fight for equality

the recent laws passed did nothing for anyone other than sodomites

the goal should have been to find a way to get the most people benefitting from the union of two people just like marriage did for couples and they had a chance to include any two people to form a civil union in order to gain the benefits but that thought was passed up in order to get benefits to a handful of people that bitched the loudest.

if they were true to their word then any two people could form a civil union today and reap the rewards from gov. and insurance co.
but no in order to get benefits one must be involved in a sexual or loving relationship and that is not equality

it is just a pacifier in the war on religion

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: HarryJoy

The anus is the outlet for solid himan waste....for people to think it is a suitable orifice for the physical expression of human love...is a departure from common sense.

Not all gays have anal sex. Many straight people do.

That's not the point I think he was making. Love is there to have two people be together and procreate and so pass on genes and to exist. So by that reasoning, sex might take place only a few times in a life and in only one pose (missionary), depending if they are lucky on the first try ofcourse and how many children they would want to create. Which isn't a very appealing thought to many and probably has all kinds of preconceptions like how they would have sexual problems, or never had good sex, or are not of the 21st century, I'm sure there are lots.

Personally I believe love would be more convincing if there would be no lust, rather I would be with a woman who would challenge me intellectually and spiritually than physically. Sex is overrated and at some point you've seen it all, we just happen to live in a time where it has been problematic for centuries and suddenly not because of all kinds of reasons like the decline of the Church, the invention of contraception and condoms but also medication for STD's etc.

originally posted by: johnnyjoe1979

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: HarryJoy

The anus is the outlet for solid himan waste....for people to think it is a suitable orifice for the physical expression of human love...is a departure from common sense.

Not all gays have anal sex. Many straight people do.

That's not the point I think he was making. Love is there to have two people be together and procreate and so pass on genes and to exist.

Love? Really? What exactly is Love?

Lust I know. It's a biological reaction.

Marriage is a contract. People marry for various reasons. Only those in a marriage define it.

Love is not a requirement or necessity of marriage. Nor is procreation.

Responsibility and commitment is. Any gender can be responsible and committed.

a reply to: GoShredAK

Okay this thread has gone on for many many pages already so it feels pointless to even post...

But you seem to be yet another Christian who doesn't have the first idea who or what Satan is in the Bible and how the figure was changed.

Today Satan is the end-all-be-all Nemesis to God, the closest thing to a rival that God actually has (which itself is ridiculous because an all powerful being cannot be rivaled).

In the Bible, particularly the Old Testament, Satan WORKS FOR GOD as a prosecution attorney who convicts humans of their sins. You can see this in the book of Job very prominently when Satan is escorted by angels to God and begins accusing Job, that's why the word Satan means accuser or adversary. He wasn't GOD'S enemy he was mankind's enemy meant to find our hidden sins and expose them.

The notion of Satan as arch-evil nemesis of God comes from Christian teachings and writings and a melding of numerous myths throughout the centuries. They combined Lucifer, Baal (Beelzebub), and Satan to create this character. So please before you blame Satan do some research into who and what Satan actually is in mythology.

Now onto the part about gays. I have no idea what you're on about in this OP in regards to the genetic code. We still haven't found the so-called "gay gene". Homosexuality, however, has been observed in dozens of different species so at the worst its evolutionarily benign and, in fact, it may have advantages. For example let's say you have a fairly large family with 5-10 siblings, one might well turn out gay thus upping the chances of the others in passing on their genes (because they no longer have to compete), a sort of sexual altruism.

I really can't understand why people think social progress is a sign that the "Powers that Be" are at work doing something sinister. Would you say the same thing about the Civil Rights movement, racial integration and the decriminalization of interracial marriage? Would you see something sinister in President Lincolns move to abolish slavery. And yet here's a bunch of people who just want to be able to get married but can't because of gender discrimination and discrimination based on sexual orientation and you see some dark agenda moving in the shadows that involves both the Elites AND Satan. Sheesh.

After spending much time researching this I came to an identical conclusion as the OP.

There IS a clear hidden agenda.

Gay culture is artificial and manufactured by TPTB.

The elephant in the room of the same-sex marriage debate is the fact that homosexuals really don’t want to marry. What they really want is the legitimization of homosexuality through the redefinition of marriage. They want same-sex marriage enshrined in law, so that the definition of marriage will be expanded to include their sexual perversion. Once this Pandora’s Box is opened, our country’s fate will be sealed.

Here, human history serves us as an unimpeachable witness. Although it records periods within which homosexuality flourished in particular civilizations; such as, Sodom and Gomorrah, ancient Greece, and the Roman Empire, history also attests to the fact that none of these civilizations survived. Furthermore, in each instance, the fall of the civilization came on the heels of flourishing homosexuality.

THE REDEFINITION OF MARRIAGE

Even knowing that there are radicals in all movements, doesn’t lessen the startling admission recently by lesbian journalist Masha Gessen. On a radio show she actually admits that homosexual activists are lying about their radical political agenda. She says that they don’t want to access the institution of marriage; they want to radically redefine and eventually eliminate it.

Clearly this is about cultural change and tearing down the traditional family ethic, since it seems that most homosexuals living together neither need nor desire to marry, though they do desire to radically change marriage. Gays and lesbians are free to live as they choose, and we live in a society which roundly applauds them doing so like never before in our history, but they do not have the right to rewrite marriage for all of society.

Homosexual Activist Admits True Purpose of Battle is to Destroy Marriage

Jerry Newcombe, co-host of the television program Truth that Transforms, says that not only is there a real “agenda,” he compares it to the iceberg that took down the Titanic 100 years ago. “The radical homosexual agenda is advancing, dulling our sense of righteousness and undermining the American family.” Newcombe calls the agenda a “moral iceberg” and claims that it is “ripping a hole in the structure of America, and we’re taking on water.”

Michael Brown summarizes the goals of the agenda this way:

• Whereas homosexuality was once considered a pathological disorder, from here on those who do not affirm homosexuality will be deemed homophobic, perhaps themselves suffering from a pathological disorder.

• Whereas gay sexual behavior was once considered morally wrong, from here on public condemnation—or even public criticism—of that behavior will be considered morally wrong.

• Whereas identifying as transgender was once considered abnormal by society, causing one to be marginalized, from here on those who do not accept transgenderism will be considered abnormal and will be marginalized...

The Not-So-Hidden Homosexual Agenda

a reply to: Murgatroid

I'm a straight man.

As a straight man I cannot marry another straight man.

This is gender discrimination.

Sexual orientation need not even enter into it. Stopping two complete strangers who want to get married from getting married based solely on what gender they are is discriminatory plain and simple even before we consider what their sexual orientation is. And that subject of sexual orientation is none of your business and should be irrelevant to whether they can enter into a marriage contract.

All your huffing and puffing and paranoid conspiracy nonsense is dead in the water.

OP, while I do stand with you in your statement that the gay rights movement has a more sinister agenda, as much as I hate to admit people like theantideluvian are right, he is. In today's age, you simply cannot support an opinion citing your faith as proof or justification, because faith is not universal, and faith is to controversial. You must support it with your own facts and counter arguments, much like theantideluvian has used.


As for my 2 cents on the gay rights sinister agenda, I would agree. I think the gay rights movement is simply being used as a tool by Obummer and his Liberal Elitists for a mixture of personal gain and to 'punish' white people in America. They could care less about gay rights. If gay rights supported Conservative Republicans against Liberal Democrats, gay pride parades would probably be banned by now, but Obummer found an influential gay person and told him/her/ze that Straight White People hate him and voila, now we have a gay secretary of the Army just because he's gay (who for sure won't implement any policies relating to sexuality based upon his own sexuality), a Transgender Female White House Staffer (who for sure won't use her position of authority to advance or help her friends).


As I said, it is being used as a tool to equally Empower Liberal Elites and to punish Americans (mainly White Men) today for the transgressions of our distant ancestors (which 99% of the world was also following at the same time, but let's just conveniently omit historical context), while at the same time crying shouting and screaming racism when a suspicious character in a neighborhood who's staring at an empty house has the cops called on him, but he shouldn't be questioned or detained because it hasn't been proven that he actually did anything. Yep, Liberals are quite good at applying moral rubrics very selectively.


That's how you shut Liberals down. And when they break down and can't think of anything else to say besides "you're racist/sexist/ableist/homophobic/bigoted/white privileged" you know you've won

a reply to: Annee

Your post is a prime example of how some groups of people will avoid at all cost admitting any type of error.
First of all are you saying anal sex is or is not a misuse of the human body?

Secondly you try to justify it by saying that "many" heterosexuals engage in it. Youre obviously unable to use logic or common sense to support a pro anal sex position...so you make a statement about what another group of people does in order to avoid having to use common sense or logic.
Unfortunatly Annee even if you said the Pope engages in anal sex ...it would not justify it . Except to a group of people that wanted to justify their position irrespective of whether that position was upheld by any logic or common sense or not.
Its called side stepping and you did a good job...unfortunately the only people it will convince are the people with no common sense or people that want to defend that position regardless of whether it is sensible or not.
But thats ok...if you want to live in a house of straw....go for it.

A man bumps into Hitler. "Hitler, you are alive!"
"Yes, miraculously so."
"So what are your plans now that you have been reborn?"
"Well, I am going to finish off the jews, and kill two clowns."
"Two clowns? Why two clowns?"
To which Hitler replies, "See, I told you no one cares about the jews."

Labels are dangerous, and a very effective tool for those who employ their use.

a reply to: HarryJoy

What sort of insane world do you live in where anal is a MISUSE of the human body?

The very phrasing of that is laughably wrong.

It's my body. I am the authority over my body. If two consenting adults decided to engage in a sexual activity, be it anal or anything else, who is coming in to tell them it's wrong? As long as they aren't threatening each other's lives I fail to see where any authority figure fits into the picture at least not without some heavily lubricated bad logic to squeeze that authority in.

I know your post isn't addressed to me, feel free to ignore me, but I must be missing a lot of context of this conversation I am left confused.

If I eat a slice of pizza and drink a soda someone could see that as an abuse or misuse of my body, but it is MY body, and pizza taste damn good, so am I side-stepping some invisible authority over what is and isn't a misuse of my body when I say eating pizza, or having anal sex, are perfectly okay?

originally posted by: GoShredAK


Gosh darn it I am not homophobic,

I was more curious about genetic manipulation, .

yeah. sure youre not.
you have a gay friend and he is cool.

more concerned with genetic manipulation but you dont really talk about it.

up till this point i have not seen you answer boymonkeys direct question. i will assume you have not answered it in later posts so i will ask again.

why do you cherry pick things from the bible? why do you pick and choose what to believe?

im sure you wont answer.

also you say you are not religious but you follow christ. here is a secret. that means you are religious.

however, you like most everyone else pick and choose what parts you want to follow and believe in.
kind of a drag.

you said you are about to hit 30 and your big ass epiphany is that the gay rights movement is a sinister agenda...
that totally sucks and i feel bad for your gay friend.

matter of fact, how can you feel like the gay rights movement is sinister yet be friends with this person?
you sure dont sound like any friend i want to have

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: johnnyjoe1979

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: HarryJoy

The anus is the outlet for solid himan waste....for people to think it is a suitable orifice for the physical expression of human love...is a departure from common sense.

Not all gays have anal sex. Many straight people do.

That's not the point I think he was making. Love is there to have two people be together and procreate and so pass on genes and to exist.

Love? Really? What exactly is Love?

I can't explain that to you or anyone, I could only show one woman in all of existence and I would have to all the time, forever. Love however is not the same as "The Good" as so many appear to confuse it with. And when people tell they really love their car I just interpret that as they want to express how much they like it. It is also not the unity which might be experienced like brotherhood or sisterhood without a biological connection. Love is unexplainable but I hope I gotten my point across nonetheless.

Lust I know. It's a biological reaction.

Marriage is a contract. People marry for various reasons. Only those in a marriage define it.

Love is not a requirement or necessity of marriage. Nor is procreation.

Responsibility and commitment is. Any gender can be responsible and committed.

Yep all true, it all happens. Me however I would rather stay alone as long as it takes than marry without love or for the wrong reasons, of which I know it will be difficult for me to prove otherwise. For example, I could say I wouldn't marry for money but that would mean I would have to marry a poor woman and somehow get rid of my money and live without it for the remainder of the journey (even though it's appealing with the prospect of true love).