Cheop’s Pyramid : A theory to explain the internal architecture

originally posted by: SlapMonkey

originally posted by: Marduk
as has been said before, Rudolph Gantenbrink sent a small robot down the shafts of the GP. This is what he found
www.google.co.uk...=zs2HP6V gM3fe5M%3A

A solid unbreachable door



so that's game over for this thread

I'm really, REALLY venturing into the what-if realm here, but what if the entire hydraulic mechanism was used during the construction in order to open the claimed burial chamber, then sealed off (the shaft) upon finishing the structure.

I mean, even if they were just "vent shafts," blocking them off is just as illogical for the same reason--nothing can get in (air, water, or otherwise).

What if there are no secret chambers
did you consider that yet ?

originally posted by: Marduk
What if there are no secret chambers
did you consider that yet ?

Certainly--but then I remember that, at one point, all of the chambers were secret and hidden, which lends credibility to the possibility (and, some might say, probability).

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Thanks for your so enlighting response, it's funny how people like you come here and blast away. Idiot? If looking in theory to see what parts could be , or not, true is idiot, then a lot of our current technology has been made by a lot of idiots, taking ideas here and there, doing trial and error to solve problems.

If I would choose an idiot between a bunch of guy doing their best, with many many fails, to uncover part of the truth, and someone coming to ridicule without adding anything positive in its thread, the choice is easy.

a reply to: LoveSolMoonDeath

Ignorant_ape never said "idiot", he said "pyramidiot", which is, in fact, a rather well-known slang term, coined in the 1930's, that basically refers to the type of ignorant person who blindly believes any of the wild, asinine "theories" surrounding the pyramids, and he was absolutely correct in his usage of the term.

If you'll look at his posting history, it will be quite apparent that he does, in fact know what he's talking about I'm regards to subjects such as this.

Ridiculous claims that go against every bit of evidence we have, without having a shred of supporting evidence of their own, are deserving of ridicule.

originally posted by: admirethedistance
a reply to: LoveSolMoonDeath



Ridiculous claims that go against every bit of evidence we have, without having a shred of supporting evidence of their own, are deserving of ridicule.

Then you just did. And I think he can, if he wants to, make his own response.

originally posted by: LoveSolMoonDeath
a reply to: ignorant_ape

If I would choose an idiot between a bunch of guy doing their best, with many many fails, to uncover part of the truth, and someone coming to ridicule without adding anything positive in its thread, the choice is easy.

The idiots you would choose are doing their best to uncover the truth of how to maximize their own profit among the pack of ignorant believers such as yourself that bankroll their fabulism.

Harte

a reply to: Harte

Since I didn't buy a thing, but made some reads, looked at videos and came here asking for constructive thoughs (for or against a THEORY) you pretend to know I'm an ignorant believer? Such a great mind reader you are.

Coming here on ATS to ask people 'to get inputs' on a theory is believing? It made sence to me so I wanted to check it here. Made a search on his theory/name, came out with nada so I went for it. Debunking this THEORY: go ahead! But being as%$ and calling names on people seeking infos? (Slang? I know a lot of slang I will never use because it's insulting people, it's called etiquette) I'll serve it back anyday.

I'm ignorant on certain subject (forget believer): ya right! Big time! And I think agreat part of internet is there HELP people getting around just that. But your post also shows one thing: you are so full of yourself it's laughable.

Jeff

a reply to: LoveSolMoonDeath

hi - we seem to have got off to a bad start

a few points though - the " pyramid pump hoax " has been around for over 17 year - i first encountered it in 2001 - it was bollox then - and its still bollox .

the pyramid pump hoaxers are not interested in the truth - only theier scam

here is a hint - go back and actually read my post OBJECTIVLY - and apply all my points to whichever ` pyramid pump ` hypothesis you desire [ there are several ]

do you disagree with any of my points ???? - if so - pplease cite evidence

the pyramid pump hoaxers are INTENTIONALY DISHONEST

the most ergreious example is this one :

source



look at that pic - untill you spot the deliberate dishonesty

that is not just a " fail " or an error - its a cynical edit of the image to make the hoax APPEAR viable - when it is clearly not - if you apply thier " scheme " to a true layout of the pyramid .

further - all pyramid pymp hoaxes contain the a mixed collection of lies [ to whit ] :

A they claim water was supplied from " ancient lake moeris " - ignoring the pesky fact that its at considerably lower altitude than the giza plateau

alternatly - they claim water came " from the nile " - with the same problem - PS we know where the historic path of the nile was - and it doesnt help pyramid hoaxers

B they invent extratenous sturctures that do not appear in any historic accounts - and for which there is no evidence

C - they ignore all evidence that falsifies thier claims in one shot [ the plug in the shaft - for instance or the exterior cladding [ now mostly missing - but its ]

i could go on - but 13 years of this crap being regurgitated does instill a bad attitude

so - ball is in your court ` jeff ` - address the points from my previous post [ and the ones raised above ] - or go back to sulking about how skeptics are rude

but before you do - the facts are not incumbent on my attitude - remember that .

awaits response

a reply to: ignorant_ape

First and foremost: thanks for replying in such a enlighting way



Yes, the pump system is, for what I can see, extrapolation going far with major flaws as you rightly mentionned. But this is not what my thread was really about. Let me explain: the theory the author develop is not a pump system but a way to activate a mechanism within the Chéop's Pyramid. A mechanism intentionnaly hidden, to protect the true King's chamber. Yes it's far fetched and just a theory but lets look little bit into it. The water insertion point would be the shafts leading to the Kings chamber. I know they're closed from the outside but their position are well known to the builders so they could trace it back again if necessary.




It would be hard and complicated work to bring the water in sufficient quantity at that level: right, a big achievement. But we must keep in mind that those guys actually built those monsters, with great accuracy, so they are more than able in my mind. So no inner pump but water from outside poored in. Then, with the 33 meters water column weight, a block would be pushed in the king's chamber, releasing sand to lower a block maybe? The last part of the mechanism after the pushed block may vary.

Video in french but very graphic and not too long 2:45




And if they went that far to honor their kings,building those pyramids, they'll also make sure he's not visited by thiefs / invaders. What's better than something demanding huge time and efforts, like a big hydrolic lock, to keep then at bay.

The article is there:

autospeed.celeonet.fr...


What do you think? And yes, it's a theory, food for thought.

a reply to: LoveSolMoonDeath


the " kings " chamber - is still not air tight or water tight on any wall or the floor // ceiling

so your ` new ` hypothesis fails at the first hurdle - again

Ok, just to play devil's advocate, how many things are air tight or water proof for over 4000 years? Who's to say there wasn't some kind of liner that deteriorated over time or was stolen (or hidden)? I know. It's a big "what if". Possible but not probable.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: LoveSolMoonDeath


the " kings " chamber - is still not air tight or water tight on any wall or the floor // ceiling

so your ` new ` hypothesis fails at the first hurdle - again

Your right water would leak between the stones so bad it would have caused the pyramid to collapse

a reply to: mistressofspice

the raw masonry of the pyramid interior - was clearly never designed to be either watertight or air-tight - so its age is irrelevant . it would have needed grouting - a process for which there is no evidence .

as stated earlyer by another skeptic - the egyptians had access to pitch and tars - and used them as waterproofing products in other applivcations - so IF they wanted a watertight // airtight system in the pyramid - they COULD have grouted it - and evidence would remain

the only answer i can give to the notion of a " liner " that has since been " lost " is to cite the discoveries by Rudolf Gantenbrink and Rob Richardson using robotics to explore areas on the pyramid too small for access by human beings

they have found no evidence of waterproofing - or liners - and due to the nature of the spaces they explored - there is no way that a " liner " coul;d have been removed

further -- they found evidence that these spaces were never used for water transport [ imobile blocks and workers marks ] - the block would prevent water flow - and the marks would have been erased

ergo - no water

lastly - they discovered no remnants of your proposed " liner " - that has since perished // rotted away

so - unless you can propose a " liner " material that decomposes to gaseous waste products leaving no solid residue ???

then i am afraid - i dont see where the " liner " theory is going

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Interesting argument about the watertight structure and the grouting...I'll look into this further. On the site the original autor implied there were filled joints in king's room with those 3 pics:

Wall:



Ceiling:



Antechamber Ceiling




From his site:

autospeed.celeonet.fr...

What do you think?


Just a point about the blocks vs shafts. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought it was only the Queen's chamber which shafts are blocked and not leading outside. King's chamber shafts, used for filling in this theory, actually leading out.



www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk...

Jeff

I read the link in the original post and watched the videos and it is all very interesting to me. There are a number of researchers and authors who feel that there is a fundamental link between water and the Great Pyramid. There are various ideas as to how the pumping process functioned. I think that the purpose of the subterranean chamber and associated passages was to be a water pump. I think that pumped water was used to supply water locks which allowed stones on barges to be lifted up to the required heights and set in place to build the Great Pyramid. There is a video series showing this process to assemble the Great Pyramid at: www.thepump.org... I hope people watch the video series.

originally posted by: LoveSolMoonDeath
a reply to: ignorant_ape

Just a point about the blocks vs shafts. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought it was only the Queen's chamber which shafts are blocked and not leading outside. King's chamber shafts, used for filling in this theory, actually leading out.

You're wrong, Rudolph Gantenbrink proved that all the shafts were blocked with his little climbing robot more than 20 years ago

The fact that you don't know this speaks volumes about your level of understanding

it´s fine to speculate and having fancy pump ideas but these simply end when the actual archeological and architectural hard evidence stands before you.
If you dig in and STILL prefer to ignore it´s just disrespectful against the EA culture.

a reply to: admirethedistance

You, nor anyone else knows conclusively that those shafts were never once intended to both open to the outside surface of the Pyramid and then close again...how could you?

The copper fittings on the slab found towards the end of the shaft could once have been part of the mechanism that facilitated the opening and closing of stones and slabs allowing the shaft to be exposed to the outside air...or water.

Most of the mechanism could have corroded out of existence, or otherwise fouled up and is no longer recognisable as to it's original function...that's the thing with the pyramids, so many theories, so little actual knowledge.

With so much unexplained regarding not just the Giza pyramids, but of those scattered all over this world of ours, it's actually foolhardy to dismiss anything out of hand, even the bizarre.

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: admirethedistance

that's the thing with the pyramids, so many theories, so little actual knowledge.

That's right, hundreds of years of scientific exploration is worthless
to you

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: admirethedistance

With so much unexplained regarding not just the Giza pyramids, but of those scattered all over this world of ours, it's actually foolhardy to dismiss anything out of hand, even the bizarre.

It has a burial chamber, built on the inside of a tomb, set inside a necropolis with a mortuary temple outside, where you claim "unexplained" there, you really are showing your ignorance.
This was almost written for you
en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: admirethedistance
You, nor anyone else knows conclusively that those shafts were never once intended to both open to the outside surface of the Pyramid and then close again...how could you?

Because the outermost blocks of the pyramid that we see today have been in place since it was constructed, and the shafts stop about 20 feet short of them. It's not difficult to understand.