British police calling for knife ban

originally posted by: b14warrior
a reply to: boymonkey74

You know what....... doesn't matter how many times we explain it, he's just not going to get it. It's like baning my head against a brick wall and I'm not sure why I'm bothering.

We are happy with our criminals not having guns and know that if we relaxed gun laws then they would therefore within time have guns but he isn't happy with that........ luckily he doesn't he lives in a country full of guns....... so we're all happy then.

I'm out.

No, you are happy guaranteeing YOU don't have a gun. Your laws do not guarantee criminals will not have guns.

a reply to: b14warrior

To be honest with you I have had enough of him lately.
Has become extremely hostile and arguing for arguings sake.
He is unable to grasp our point of view.
Me also out.

a reply to: grainofsand

I thought that was a fairly cordial invitation. It wasnt a my gym is better than yours thing or an im better than you thing at all. If you took it that way I must've worded it wrong and I apologise.

a reply to: MagnaCarta2015

No worries man, I must have interpreted it the wrong way, no problem
...I'm a wing-chun 'go for the throat' man myself, but we're Brit's so seem to get along better with each other with unspoken rules than other nationals I see on ATS.

a reply to: grainofsand

It's all good. As far as the gun issue we can agree to disagree. I was completely anti gun up until a couple years ago but have had one too many experiences where police were urgently needed and failed to act for me to have faith in anybody except myself protecting my family. I do get the logic to it though.

originally posted by: MagnaCarta2015
a reply to: grainofsand

It's all good. As far as the gun issue we can agree to disagree. I was completely anti gun up until a couple years ago but have had one too many experiences where police were urgently needed and failed to act for me to have faith in anybody except myself protecting my family. I do get the logic to it though.

I don't think we particularly disagree about anything regarding firearm laws in the UK.
We only seemed to disagree when I said I'd choose a baseball bat if you were coming at me with a 12" knife.
I stand by that

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: Xtrozero

Different country different culture about weapons and society in general.

I agree 100%

a reply to: NavyDoc

guarantee? no.
reduce likelyhood? yes.

Funnily enough, you want to have a gun to protect you, we prefer our fists, bats etc. But you seem to think we are not as brave as you, or scared of guns. Ironic really.

originally posted by: bluesilver
a reply to: NavyDoc

guarantee? no.
reduce likelyhood? yes.

Funnily enough, you want to have a gun to protect you, we prefer our fists, bats etc. But you seem to think we are not as brave as you, or scared of guns. Ironic really.

So smashing someone up with a bat is more moral or brave how?

a reply to: bluesilver

Yeah, we're not # scared of each other in the UK.
We also know that witnesses intervene if stamping on heads happens when a guy loses.
Different worlds UK and US.
It pleases me that I was born in the UK.

originally posted by: grainofsand

No worries man, I must have interpreted it the wrong way, no problem

...I'm a wing-chun 'go for the throat' man myself, but we're Brit's so seem to get along better with each other with unspoken rules than other nationals I see on ATS.

All depends on where you live in the US. We are so big that from where I live Chicago is farther away than London to Moscow and in many ways even though we all speak English that is about as far as commonality goes when we look at behavior, culture etc. I live in Washington state and we all own guns, have a lot of freedom with gun law, carry laws etc and really do not have a gun issue at all, so location means a lot.

In 2011 there were 161 deaths in WA due to weapons and 1/2 were by guns and the other half were by other weapons or fists. Out of the 80 gun deaths about 1/2 are suicides so that leaves about 40 deaths to guns that another person kills someone out of 7 million people. We should out law boating and we would save a lot more people...

a reply to: Xtrozero

Yeah that's cool, but it is no argument to support greater/easier access to firearms in the UK.
You obviously see that, don't you?

originally posted by: bluesilver


Funnily enough, you want to have a gun to protect you, we prefer our fists, bats etc. But you seem to think we are not as brave as you, or scared of guns. Ironic really.

I'm 6'5" 280 pounds with 28 years of military fighting experience. There really isn't much that worries me but even though I can still bench over 300 pounds and dunk a basketball I understand at 55 I'm getting older so my "I like to fight" days are over. If someone goes down that path with me I can handle myself quite well, but why would I want to fight at all, and if someone decides they wants to injure me or my family member they will either disengage or take a bullet now, their choice.

originally posted by: grainofsand

Yeah that's cool, but it is no argument to support greater/easier access to firearms in the UK.
You obviously see that, don't you?

Yes I do and it seems to work for you guys so I'm all in favor of what you all want. What might work or not work here is not really the same for you and vice a versa.

My next door neighbors are English and they believe as you do, but when I ask them where would the go if there is trouble they smile and say my house...hehe

a reply to: Xtrozero

I get that about your neighbours, but I'd probably get my own firearm if I ever moved to the US.
Apples and oranges as we've said many times.

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: NavyDoc

It's not really like that as others have said.

Can you give a valid reason for carrying a knife in your pocket on a train?

I carry a knife on my person on trains all the time. No reason needed. It's just handy.

The "valid reason" thing doesn't kick in unless the knife has certain features.

originally posted by: bastion
People respect the elderly in the UK and know not to mess with them as they'll probably hand your arse to you or if they don't everyone in the area and every prisoner they share a prison with will do every day for the rest of their lives. Even theives have a code. No vulnerables, no innocents.

That is completely idealistic and completely false. The elderly are specifically targeted by certain criminal elements because of their vulnerability.

Thieves do not "have a code". This is not some 1950s Ealing comedy.

originally posted by: NavyDoc
Self defense is not a qualifying need for a gun license and its a lot more difficult than you let on.

Very true, it's incredibly difficult.

You need to buy a gun cabinet.

You might need to join a club. Or, you might need a landowner to give you letter saying you have permission to shoot over their land.

Then you might need to complete a form and send it in with some money.

Oh, you might also need someone to add their name as a referee.

I can hardly believe I managed to survive the process.

originally posted by: nonspecific

What other use is there for a handgun please?

Other than target shooting is there another valid use?

The majority of privately owned s 5 handguns are held on a "Humane Dispatch" license, actually.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: grainofsand

Yeah that's cool, but it is no argument to support greater/easier access to firearms in the UK.
You obviously see that, don't you?

My next door neighbors are English and they believe as you do, but when I ask them where would the go if there is trouble they smile and say my house...hehe

It goes both ways.

My dads got some American friends who were passionate about the right to own arms when they first moved over here. But now, after living in Australia for a few years, there passionate about the need to have strict gun regulations.

You could argue that they just lived in a dangerous area in the states, which made it necessary to be armed. But they came from Minnesota, which isn't exactly a crime ridden state, as far as I can tell. More than likely, they were just feed that ridiculous propaganda over there in the states from a young age that there were people out there that wanted to come and murder there whole family, just for kicks and giggles.

I remember one time, my dads US friends daughter told me how she was going completely out of her way when she traveled in her car, to avoid an area she was told was 'dangerous'. lol, how hilarious! I tried telling her that she was in Australia now and could safely travel though any area she wanted, but she wouldn't hear it. I guess a life time of being spoon feed propaganda fear stories had really done a number on her........ anyway.