Russia says will retaliate if U.S. weapons stationed on its borders

a reply to: devilmoon

You really need to keep updated. They didn't get nearly as much as originally thought, especially in regards to the F-35.

a reply to: Zaphod58

definately depends on who you believe.

the latest on that seems to be.

rt.com...

oops

**SNIP**

a reply to: devilmoon

rt.com...

I believe Zaphod over RT any day when it comes to US fighter jets.

You should pay attention to what he says you may learn something.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h
then let's wait for his opinion eh.

but it's just an English translation of der speigal on snowden.

India doesn't trust China much for another reason as well,they ma=y use them but TRUSTING ? Not so much...
www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: devilmoon

You really need to keep updated. They didn't get nearly as much as originally thought, especially in regards to the F-35.

I LOVE THE Snowden Thing according to russian press he stole everything the US government has. He worked for a sub contractor and only had access to confidential files deemed necessary for the company. This wouldn't include advance schematics of the aircraft. But people want to believe he was some super spy.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
India doesn't trust China much for another reason as well,they ma=y use them but TRUSTING ? Not so much...
www.youtube.com...

Yeah the Chinese have a habit of crossing that border and just daring the Indians to do something about. No surprise that the US/India/Japan trilateral has become the foundation for ASEAN's and others resistance to China being built around.

a reply to: devilmoon

then let's wait for his opinion eh.

but it's just an English translation of der speigal on snowden.

Who's opinion?

Snowden the man who didn't k now as much as many want you to believe.

a reply to: devilmoon

Yes, they got a lot of data on all those programs, and it did help accelerate their own programs. But when you're talking about plans and the size of the data, one small portion is a huge amount of data. So 50 TB sounds huge, and sounds like they got the entire program but it's not as much as you think. The entire program plans easily run in the hundreds of terabytes, if not more.

There's also the aspect of having the plans, and being able to do anything with them right off the bat. If I gave the Wright Brothers the plans for a P-38 they still couldn't do anything with them right away. Yes they could tweak their own aircraft, and accelerate development of monoplanes, and other advanced aircraft, but they wouldn't be building a P-38 for years.

a reply to: Zaphod58

firstly. imo.
the plans required to recreate the entire plane probably don't weigh in at more than a couple of TB. everything else will be reports. test results and revision history.

secondly.
what makes you think they stopped there?

we know they got bored and moved onto other things. I assume you are expecting your own personal letter from the dod that the bad guys now know everything about your entire life.

surprised you aren't more critical after that.

that's an awful lot of leverage to pretty much do whatever they like.

a reply to: devilmoon

I'm a lot more critical than you think. But the fact of the matter is that they didn't get much. The F-35 is the most complex aircraft ever built. There's a ton of data just for the blueprints.

The 50TB was the total amount of data stolen. That includes data from multiple aircraft programs, missile programs, and others.

They got bored huh. They, according to you, had the access to rob our stealth programs blind, and leap to parity with them, and they just got bored and moved on. Right.

a reply to: Zaphod58

only so much bandwidth available. they had. probably still have. access to everything on siprnet. entirely the result of opening it up to millions of employees post 911.

only so much you can get. and they've obviously not been totally battering the connections they actually made or it would of been found sooner.

that snowden is now working for the russians means things only get more interesting from here on in. and none of it good.

a reply to: devilmoon

It was found sooner. The data was taken in 2007, and was announced almost immediately. One of the new Chinese fighters has many similarities superficially to the F-35. Did you think they were able to get the data, build it and start flying it in a few months?

a reply to: Zaphod58

they found out they had such data.
they didn't find how they got it.

afaik that is still the case. the only reason they know they are leaking is because their data keeps turning up in places it shouldn't.

a reply to: devilmoon

Um, yes they did. They said from the start that they got it through Lockheed servers. Lockheed works or worked on every system that had data stolen.

a reply to: Zaphod58
yes. from Lockheed servers
via siprnet.

still not how. still doesn't plug the hole.

the only reason they think its the Chinese is because they are sharing the data in the public domain.

but snowden went to russia. and he's the one with intricate knowledge of the siprnet network.


that lot are just the canaries.

a reply to: devilmoon

Keep repeating that. The hole was plugged years ago. They're blaming the Chinese because after the data went missing two Chinese aircraft flew that had incredible similarities to the F-22 and F-35. Similarities that had to have come through the plans. Amazing coincidence that.

The hack had nothing to do with siprnet. The 2011 hack used RSA tokens to get through the VPN network. The 2007-09 attacks went through contractors and Lockheed servers.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Lockheeds servers with the plans were on the Internet?

dear god they are even more stupid than I thought.

well that pretty much guarantees they now have the lot then doesn't it....

a reply to: devilmoon

They're behind a VPN wall. Without the token you can't even see them. They're connected, as even Russian and Chinese systems are, so that people working off site can access data they need for testing.

That doesn't guarantee anything. And no, they don't have it all.

a reply to: Zaphod58

total breach of the black red concept.

if they cant even handle basic network security there is no way the entire lot isn't compromised.

no
chinese and russian systems follow the black red concept.

totally isolated systems (the point of siprnet). there is no way from one to the other except with highly secure manual. physical transfer.