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originally posted by: ISeekTruth101
You are confused by the english language, ahhh now I understand.

I am only 'confused' by double standards and intellectual dishonesty. Governed by religion or beheaded?

You are mixing up too many questions, just come out of the closet and say what you really mean.

You're the bright one. Why don't you help me out and tell me what I really mean?

a reply to: celticdog

If only Muslims could laugh at people that drawing Mohammed. We can only hope.

A lot of us do.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

Fine. Then you disproved your own argument in your original post that I skimmed.

Really? Let's review again.

That clause was more of an attempt to unify Christians sects and wasn't expected to make all religions equal, just keep any single Christian one from being endorsed by the federal government.

Seriously, I'd like to know if you have a point to make and can provide some references to back it up with. Otherwise I'll just take your comments as merely personal opinions without any real merit, which is fine and I can accept that for what it is.

It's OK by me for you to have an opposing opinion no matter how baseless is may be. The burden of proof is on you for providing some justification for your own beliefs.

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

I like how you call me on evidence but haven't produced any of your own. You claim that the country was founded as a Christian nation, declared it a fact, then didn't produce any evidence (such as personal testimony from the founding fathers) that states that is the case. What IS a fact though is the people who disagreed with you posting personal testimony from the founding fathers that shows the exact OPPOSITE of what you were saying.

Clearly the founding fathers didn't think of everything when they wrote the Constitution, but thats why its a living document. Because they knew later generations would think of these things.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Jeeze, I'm not a history teacher, but I'm pretty certain that the colonies were founded strictly on religious principals, don't you remember any of the history lessons back in school? Besides I did provide some references in my reply to damwel, but I guess you skimmed that post too.

I don't think I should need to give you a history lesson, besides, I need to get ready for work. Hopefully you can come up with some decent references to refute what I have put forth by the time I check back. Until then, have a nice day.

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

Here is a few links to sources:
The Christian Nation Myth - Contains primary sources that contradict this myth
35 Founding Father Quotes Conservative Christians Will Hate - Quotes from founding fathers on this.
The Founding Fathers - Rationalwiki has this to say:

It is also interesting that these eminent figures were heavily criticized for their lack of religious devotion in times past. Rev. Bird Wilson had this to say about them in a 1831 sermon:
“”The founders of our nation were nearly all Infidels, and that of the presidents who had thus far been elected [George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, and Andrew Jackson] not a one had professed a belief in Christianity.[8]

Was America Founded As A Christian Nation?

The battle over America ’s beginnings muddles wishful hero worship with efforts to commandeer America ’s past so to steer her future. The most vocal proponents of Christian America and their counterparts advocating a completely secular state necessarily cherry-pick data to prove exaggerations while discarding inconvenient details.

By transforming our Forefathers into faithful servants of Christ the Religious Right risks compromising the biblical message. Baptist theologian Al Mohler warns advocates of Christian America have “confused their cultural heritage with biblical Christianity.” While Believers must exercise their views, cheapening what constitutes Christianity for political gain profanes the Gospel.

Moreover, Believers should refuse Big Government operating in Christ’s name. As empty pews in Europe testify, politicized religion impedes ministry. Beautiful cathedrals dot the Old World , but with scant congregants, they memorialize a funereal dearth of faith coming from state sanctioned pulpits

Founding Fathers: We Are Not a Christian Nation - This link breaks down our founding documents to show no mention of Christian nation.
A Christian Nation? Since When? - This article talks about the REAL origins of the "Christian nation".

But the founding fathers didn’t create the ceremonies and slogans that come to mind when we consider whether this is a Christian nation. Our grandfathers did.

Back in the 1930s, business leaders found themselves on the defensive. Their public prestige had plummeted with the Great Crash; their private businesses were under attack by Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal from above and labor from below. To regain the upper hand, corporate leaders fought back on all fronts. They waged a figurative war in statehouses and, occasionally, a literal one in the streets; their campaigns extended from courts of law to the court of public opinion. But nothing worked particularly well until they began an inspired public relations offensive that cast capitalism as the handmaiden of Christianity.

The two had been described as soul mates before, but in this campaign they were wedded in pointed opposition to the “creeping socialism” of the New Deal. The federal government had never really factored into Americans’ thinking about the relationship between faith and free enterprise, mostly because it had never loomed that large over business interests. But now it cast a long and ominous shadow.

Accordingly, throughout the 1930s and ’40s, corporate leaders marketed a new ideology that combined elements of Christianity with an anti-federal libertarianism. Powerful business lobbies like the United States Chamber of Commerce and the National Association of Manufacturers led the way, promoting this ideology’s appeal in conferences and P.R. campaigns. Generous funding came from prominent businessmen, from household names like Harvey Firestone, Conrad Hilton, E. F. Hutton, Fred Maytag and Henry R. Luce to lesser-known leaders at U.S. Steel, General Motors and DuPont.

Is that enough evidence that you are wrong?

a reply to: Onslaught2996

Priceless...at 4:06 that has to be the funniest response...and so true....great video. Lets have more of this stuff!!!!!!

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Ah, very good, thank you.

But, even if true, that doesn't address the issue of what the colonies believed nor what the majority of the common people who founded the colonies believed.

I don't have a lot of time to check out your links, but I appreciate your post. You may have adjusted my opinion somewhat. I may be dead wrong about the founding fathers, but I'm pretty sure that the majority believed in Christian values.

Once again, thanks for making your point clear with those references.

You know, we could just as easily cobbled together a group of old white men making fun of the stupid things Muslim Imams have said (there was one just last month that made the news for saying the sun revolved around the Earth).

Nice try, but there are idiots EVERYWHERE...

a reply to: proob4

Holy f. I was waiting for the /sarcasm and it never came.
Do you seriously believe the crap you just wrote?

SERIOUSLY?

I guess we can now blame you for all the pedo priests abusing kiddies, right?
After all, you're a Christian, and Christians abused thousands of children around the world for decades, so by your own logic YOU are responsible for that.

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

The majority DID have Christian values, but that doesn't mean they recognized that the government and Christianity were intertwined. As for my links. I suggest you start with the last one (the New York Times article) since it goes over where the Christian nation ideology REALLY came from.

originally posted by: WeRpeons
It's radical Muslims like this @sshole that makes my blood boil. I'm not a fan of Fox News by any stretch of the imagination, but I watched this video on Prison Planet of an Islamic Imam spewing his evil and hate in the name of his prophet. These people think they can force their extremist views and religious beliefs on everyone!

The real problem is that while he's on Fox spouting his BS and making you angry, there's ten radical "Christians" on YouTube preaching the same, or having a seminar in a packed hall in Texas telling every to prepare to fight against the evil gays, or a "Christian" militia in Mississippi gathering around a fire and talking about revolution to get that "ni**er" out of office.

They don't show any of that though, do they? They never invite on the radical Christian nutters preaching hatred to each other, because that would be against their own Christian motives.

We know these people exist, the proof of it can be found on any relevant YouTube video, as is seen in the first video. These are radical Christian Americans preaching violence and hatred against KIDS.

How can anyone see all of this and really believe all the radicalization is from one group of people, when the evidence IS RIGHT F-ING THERE!

This is a news story about a daycare center burning down, and you have right-wing CHRISTIAN extremists making direct threats, displaying clear and obvious direct extremism, and people STILL claim that Muslims are all extremists, or somehow responsible for something, ignoring the actual extremists.

I weep for the idiocy of our societies, I really do.

a reply to: Rocker2013

I saw someone else post this in a thread a while back so I'm not taking credit for this thought, but with the similarities between Christianity and Islam, it's a surprise that they hate each other. They are so very similar that it's crazy, but because neither of them can accept that they are worshiping the same god, they hate each other instead.

a reply to: Krazysh0t
You do know the information in those links mostly apply to the well known separation between church and state , right ? And most state that the freedom of religion should not be infringed upon , right ? Most had nothing to do with the whether the US was founded as a religious nation . And I say religious instead of christian as no religion was shunned as far as coming over here . Yes , there was Muslims here then as well (well , later on) . It is well known the first colonists in the US were fleeing either government or religious persecution and the most part were Christians from Europe . One of the major reasons this nation was started was the FREEDOM to worship as they wanted.

a reply to: Rocker2013

This is coming from an atheist, but in defense of the Christians, they haven't (recently) strapped explosives to themselves and blow up a school because girls learn there. They haven't beheaded someone for not believing in God exactly the same way they do. Hell, the most "radical" of Christian groups today, the Westboro Baptist Church, only pickets funerals of soldiers and gay people.

a reply to: Gothmog

You are contradicting yourself. The separation of church and state idea and freedom of religion in the 1st amendment isn't evidence that the nation was started as a Christian nation. Did you read the New York Times article? This whole idea was started back in the 30's and really took hold in the 50's. That is the 1930's and 1950's. In other words 70 - 90 years ago

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: Rocker2013

This is coming from an atheist, but in defense of the Christians, they haven't (recently) strapped explosives to themselves and blow up a school because girls learn there. They haven't beheaded someone for not believing in God exactly the same way they do.

This is also coming from an atheist. George Bush used his religion to train our military on Iraq and Afghanistan, which killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims... Our government was sneakier about it, but they've killed many more than the terrorists will kill in your lifetime.

God Told Bush to Invade Iraq

LOVED the video. KaKaw! KaKaw!

I am not a deist myself but I do know that the founding fathers stated many times that the U.S. Was not founded as a Christian nation but as a multi-theistic country. Christians are an endangered species I fear. It's been pretty well proven that the Jesus of the Bible is a fictional creation and the behavior of many Christian groups is questionable at best and with the scandals of the Catholic Church , enrollment is waning. Also it looks like Christianity may soon become a minority religion so I don't think they should bie throwing their weight around.
a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

No but they have killed doctors in abortion clinics for not believing the same as they do. Really there is very little difference between fundies either Christian or Muslim.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I see that you're trying to make the tenuous connection between Bush's religion and the invasion of Iraq. The fact is religion had nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq, and you know that. Bush never said "God wants us to kill Iraqi's because they believe differently from us". Bush was a deeply religious man, and much that leaked into his speeches. Nothing more. What you're suggesting is that if the perpetrator of any crime ascribes to any religion, then it's on the same level as islamic terror, which is patently false.