Dan Aykroyd tells HuffPost Show hosts he has seen four UFOs

Sorry this is just a general response not a continuation to the debate! Nice little TV interview, good to understand a little bit more about his experiences, I also just finished watching that Unplugged documentary - thanks for both links! And found a local supplier of Crystal head vodka, haha! I do enjoy what he has to say about it. And if Dan is here as speculated, I'd be happy to put some clips from Out There on my YouTube and risk an MIB encounter on your behalf sir!

a reply to: jonnywhite

Hard to determine what evidence would be deemed acceptable. If it's blurry and crap footage it can be anything, if it's clear and well shot it's special effects /CGI. If it's anecdotal then it's not worth anything. If millions saw it at the same time it would be written off as bluebeam or the antichrist. If governments addressed it...well I don't know if anybody trusts govt at all at this point.

We're a cynical and skeptical species; not an entirely bad thing at all but it does limit us in some ways.

Bass O Matica reply to: JUhrman He's always been a natural salesman!

originally posted by: whyamIhere....

I thought that Dan said 1000's of people were drawn outside in the middle of the night.

That shouldn't be too hard to verify. Or is my recollection wrong ?

That was his story, but nobody else has reported such a message AFAIK.

However, in 1986, many thousands WERE outside for a periodic meteor shower, and were treated to the spectacular sky spiral from Texas to New England. Mass sighting, caused by a Japanese satellite rocket. Aykroyd's account sounds to me like a garbled version of that event but unless he provides a better date that remains uncertain.

a reply to: JimOberg

Who knows you may be right. He speaks very fast sometimes and his mouth may have gotten ahead of his thoughts if you know what I mean. It happens to me also. I am just glad that I am not in the limelight lols. Perhaps he connected two separate events. Sounds logical to me.

a reply to: bluemooone2

Sort of the "Brian Williams Syndrome"?? Seriously, when entertaining an audience is the main desire [and it's an honorable motive], stories take on a life of their own. Look what happened to poor Gordon Cooper!

For investigative specialists, however, it's often a nightmare. SOMETHING potentially VERY important could have happened, extracting it from the showmanship is a challenge.

Well Dan has a liquer company that uses a crystal like skull. Maybe extensive testing? Or between the crystal skull and this maybe he has had some interest and seeks such things.

Many psych researchers state that sightings and abductions are PTSD and a by product of sexual abuse or other abuse. Possibly hallucinations but maybe more so an aerial / temp poltergeist. In worst cases giving it control over the victim and it's surroundings.

Most poltergeists can be associated with homes and teenage girl's built up angst however it can be anyone's "angst" or stress or past drama not dealt with accordingly.

If you think about someone who had been abused but hasn't dealt with the pain and trauma yet refuses to become what has happened to them. Than they may have this happen and are more likely to talk about this unwordly event possibly grouping in past trauma but only revealing the current story.

Once on Art Bell he had some respected researcher on with a British or Au. Accent and he was gonna reveal what ufos are and his theory was manifestations which also made much more sense than real life stemming from the deep vacuum we call space.

a reply to: bluemooone2

originally posted by: MagnaCarta2015
a reply to: jonnywhite

Hard to determine what evidence would be deemed acceptable. If it's blurry and crap footage it can be anything, if it's clear and well shot it's special effects /CGI. If it's anecdotal then it's not worth anything. If millions saw it at the same time it would be written off as bluebeam or the antichrist. If governments addressed it...well I don't know if anybody trusts govt at all at this point.

We're a cynical and skeptical species; not an entirely bad thing at all but it does limit us in some ways.

This is extremely well said.

You sum up the situation very succinctly, and show impossible it is to placate debunkers.

UFO Debunkers are like Goldilocks, but even harder to please; "This picture is too unfocused." "This picture is too clear." "This picture is just about right so it must be a fake."

a reply to: Johnathanandheather

I am almost sure that some of the craft are physical objects i.e. they occupy space and can be physically photographed, and appear on radar. If one were to crash, it would leave traces that could be held in ones hand. I also think that some of the craft are so advanced that they make even what our deepest black projects can supposedly do look like child's play. Now IF I am right how could anyone ever prove it? Its almost like trying to catch a ghost in a cage in a way. I really do not think that we can. It is the science behind these crafts that fascinates me. I think that people like Bob Lazar may be on the right track but that may be just the tip of the iceberg here also. We live in interesting times.

a reply to: JimOberg

Seriously, when entertaining an audience is the main desire [and it's an honorable motive], stories take on a life of their own. Look what happened to poor Gordon Cooper!

Folks, the only thing that happened to "poor Gordon Cooper" is Jim Oberg keeps dragging his name through the mud. Again and again.

I asked Oberg to defend his debunker organization CSICOP, which has been accused of falsifying data and fraudelent testing by almost everyone, including CSICOPs own founding members, but Jim Oberg ignored that opportunity to clear the air.
Instead, he chose to go back to attacking a heroic American astronaut who is no longer here to defend himself.

Why?

Why is Jim Oberg so determined to go after Gordon Cooper? Maybe he will tell us, I don't know.

But it may be because Jim Oberg has worked many years, as has his organization CSICOP, to explain UFO sightings as rocket launches, satellite re-entries, and witness incompetence.

Whereas, Gordon Cooper felt strongly that some UFOs were indeed aliens.

Gordon Cooper stated publicly that he first saw a UFO in 1951, and throughout his life he held claim until his death that the U.S. government is indeed covering up information about UFOs.

Here is a quote from Gordon Cooper from the UFO documentary "Out of the Blue":

"I believe that these extra-terrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets. Most astronauts were reluctant to discuss UFOs".

Gordon Cooper was a hero, and Oberg wants to ruin his good name.

Gordon Cooper was an Air Force Colonel, an aerospace engineer, a United States Air Force test pilot, and he was one of the original seven Project Mercury astronauts. Mercury was the first manned space program, and Cooper was right there blazing the way into space.

Col. Cooper was the pilot for the longest, and the last Mercury spaceflight, and was the last American to be launched alone for a solo orbital mission.

In 1965, Cooper flew as Command Pilot of Gemini 5.

Here are a few of the awards and honors Gordon Cooper received:

Air Force Master Astronaut badge

Legion of Merit Distinguished Flying Cross with cluster

NASA Distinguished Service Medal

NASA Exceptional Service Medal

American Campaign Medal

World War II Victory Medal

Army of Occupation Medal

National Defense Service Medal

Air Force Longevity Service Award with four clusters

The Collier Trophy

the Harmon Trophy

the DeMolay Legion of Honor

The John F. Kennedy Trophy

The Iven C. Kincheloe Award

The Air Force Association Trophy

The John J. Montgomery Award

The General Thomas D. White Trophy

The University of Hawaii Regents Medal

The Columbus Medal

The Gordon Cooper Technology Center in Shawnee, Oklahoma is named after Cooper.

Cooper was inducted into the International Space Hall of Fame in 1981

Gordon Cooper was inducted into the U.S. Astronaut Hall of Fame

In short, Gordon Cooper is one of the most reputable men of the 20th century, and perhaps the most reputable UFO witness to ever state so publicly.

Tarnishing his reputation in an attempt to diminish the legitimacy of ufology is something I have a problem with.

I'd hate to think I'm alone on that. But if I have to defend Col. Cooper alone, I will.

One thing I should point out is that the Mars One Project will work(you don't think the Dutch would be attempting this if someone wasn't giving them the technology, do you?) I think this is good because it will solve a lot of land issues, and finally, something exciting for humanity to look forward to.

Now one interesting is that if you wiki Bas Lansdorf, it doesn't show his birthplace(everyone else has a birthdate and place.)
Supposedly, the Nordics look like White Americans with a strange accent. I'm not sure how Dutch people speak, but it seems to me that he fits the criteria. Someone should shake his hand and if it feels harder than average, then it would be another tell-tale sign. They also don't eat, so make sure to "pay attention" to him at lunch. I think this is a pretty interesting article:

www.dailymail.co.uk... d-planet.html

Indeed, it doesn't sound like he has a plan, but just wait, if he suddenly comes up with the money and the technology by 2025, then you know there's a hidden group trying to help him.

I'm not sure if it's appropriate to post this, but "monitor" that guy, he knows a lot of things that he's not telling.

In addition, if you see anyone, male or female, taller than average with an "American-like" appearance, around the headquarters of the European countries, but speak with an accent not native to that country, then there's a good chance that he's a Nordic(now it would be extremely rare, but this project must happen by 2030, so what happens is that the Nordics MUST visit the E.U, or Japan, and if let's say you're living around that area, and have the patience, you can certainly catch them by 2030. The Nordics also have a base here, if I have to guess, it's in the Netherlands, or somewhere in the E.U.

Now I wonder whether the U.S, the Chinese, or the Russians will catch a Nordic first.

a reply to: bluemooone2

Who ya gonna call?

Ghost Busters.

I am pretty happy with Mr. Oberg's contributions. Mainly, because of his exquisite and detailed knowledge of actual celsestial phenomena and his intricate citations. His debunking is not thoughtless or reckless.

I think the skeptics and debunkers are essential in a field so full of wishful thinking, false observations, wannabe science fiction writers, special effects fakers etc. as long as skeptics don't merely gaslight legitimate sightings or fling the usual shaming rhetoric.

Will they convince me that my UFO sightings weren't real? Not a chance.

a reply to: Ceffer

I am pretty happy with Mr. Oberg's contributions.

His debunking is not thoughtless or reckless.

I feel his character assassination of Gordon Cooper is highly reckless, and not anything I would call a contribution.

I'm pretty happy with Gordon Cooper's contributions.

a reply to: np6888

Indeed, it doesn't sound like he has a plan, but just wait, if he suddenly comes up with the money and the technology by 2025, then you know there's a hidden group trying to help him.

Noted and I hope someone remembers this if in the future you turn out to be right.

originally posted by: JimOberg

_________originally posted by: Scdfa
_________Sorry, pal, but I didn't call him a liar.
_________In fact, it was Oberg who asked if we thought Dan Ackroyd was lying.

Here's a bet -- stakes are 7 days of self-exile from ATS -- you find my words saying what you claim I said, I lose. You can't find them, you lose. The game is on.

Scdfa has right here in front of us falsified something he claims I said right here, and has lost the bet. What's the jury say?

originally posted by: Scdfa
a reply to: JimOberg



Here is a quote from Gordon Cooper from the UFO documentary "Out of the Blue":



"I believe that these extra-terrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets. Most astronauts were reluctant to discuss UFOs".

Here's what Cooper ACTUALLY said:

"I would also like to point out that most astronauts are very reluctant to even discuss UFOs due to the great numbers of people who have indiscriminately sold fake stories and forged documents abusing their names and reputations without hesitation."

www.ufoevidence.org...

He was referring to the falsified stories about his "Mercury-9 UFO encounter" and a fabricated quotation from a French UFO magazine in 1973 attributed to him, over which he was suing 'Columbia Pictures' for using to promote the movie CE3K. By the way, that fictional 'quotation' is STILL being used in official CE3K promotion at the studio's website.

a reply to: JimOberg

The jury says we should stop flinging mud at each other and start shedding light on whatever it is that is happening to so many people. If we're all crazy that should be investigated just as rigorously.

The issue I think needs raising with Aykroyd's stories, and Cooper's and others, is that figuring out what is happening is not advanced by free passes for celebrities because we 'like' them. Testimony needs verification from multiple sources, and seeking it, is not throwing mud -- if we think it is, we are perpetually and helplessly mired in the swamp. That's a pity, because I've found plenty of interesting and useful reports that fall into the 'UFO' genre -- well worth filtering them out, and worth the devotion of dedicated private researchers to catalogue and disseminate and discuss such reports. But sincere, 'blind faith' in celebrities, and hostility to looking more closely, hinder better understanding -- IMHO.

And when those celebrities "go Brian Williams" on us, I think it's important to diminish the effectiveness of this often subconscious self-aggrandizement. In all of us.

I don't think it's really blind belief in celebrity accounts, it's more like "this person has, potentially, a lot to lose by saying these things." Now, unfortunately people also have something to gain these days because of how popular the entire UFO subject has become. So we've circled back around.

And by flinging mud, I meant the back and forth between yourself, Jim, and Scdfa. It was getting a little off the rails and started to take away from the conversation rather than adding to it.