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originally posted by: Woodcarver
I understand that sleep paralysis is real and that lucid dreaming is real.
What i disagree with is astral projection. If you can't prove it is really happening outside of your imagination, then i have no reason to believe you.
a reply to: TheJourney
Sleep paralysis is not a "normal" bodily function. It is a malfunction of the body where it does not stop the release the chemicals that paralyze you when you awake.
originally posted by: kennyb72
a reply to: Woodcarver
Sleep paralysis is nothing to take lightly. It is an indicator of other much more harmful maladies such as Alzheimer's and dementia.
If you experience this state often, you should visit your doctor and run the appropriate tests
If you read your article correctly it explains that sleep paralysis is a normal bodily function. What is not normal is the few people that do not trigger the paralyses when they are asleep and flail around while unconscious.
That is the REM disorder that is an indicator of something wrong.
That is very easy. You are dreaming. If you think you can astral project, then lets set up an experiment. If you pass my simple test. I'll send you $10,000 and pay for a trip to the Randi foundation. If you pass their test, they will give you $1,000,000.
originally posted by: TheJourney
originally posted by: Woodcarver
I understand that sleep paralysis is real and that lucid dreaming is real.
What i disagree with is astral projection. If you can't prove it is really happening outside of your imagination, then i have no reason to believe you.
a reply to: TheJourney
No one has any reason to believe anyone online. As I said in my OP, I was skeptical even as it was happening. What convinced me, was the fact that I could feel myself laying in bed simultaneously to seeing/feeling myself elsewhere, and I was thus able to instantaneously sit up in my body. That proved, to me, that it was astral projection. Now if you have another explanation that doesn't involve something that I, as someone very experienced with all manner of dream and sleep states, know isn't patently false, I'm all ears. If you want to not believe that it didn't happen that way, you are free to do so, but since I know it did happen that way the proof still stands for me.
originally posted by: Woodcarver
Sleep paralysis is not a "normal" bodily function. It is a malfunction of the body where it does not stop the release the chemicals that paralyze you when you awake.
originally posted by: kennyb72
a reply to: Woodcarver
Sleep paralysis is nothing to take lightly. It is an indicator of other much more harmful maladies such as Alzheimer's and dementia.
If you experience this state often, you should visit your doctor and run the appropriate tests
If you read your article correctly it explains that sleep paralysis is a normal bodily function. What is not normal is the few people that do not trigger the paralyses when they are asleep and flail around while unconscious.
That is the REM disorder that is an indicator of something wrong.
The adverse is when your body does not paralyze you with the appropriate neural transmitters to paralyze the body while you sleep.
These are known maladies that have been attributed to many supernatural claims. However they have been studied in depth and are well understood at this point in time. To ignore the science and then claim your fantasy as truth is classic dissonance.
seeee?!!! Lol
originally posted by: kennyb72
a reply to: Woodcarver
I keep telling myself I need to do this, but the next day I completely forget about it.
originally posted by: Woodcarver
That is very easy. You are dreaming. If you think you can astral project, then lets set up an experiment. If you pass my simple test. I'll send you $10,000 and pay for a trip to the Randi foundation. If you pass their test, they will give you $1,000,000.
originally posted by: TheJourney
originally posted by: Woodcarver
I understand that sleep paralysis is real and that lucid dreaming is real.
What i disagree with is astral projection. If you can't prove it is really happening outside of your imagination, then i have no reason to believe you.
a reply to: TheJourney
No one has any reason to believe anyone online. As I said in my OP, I was skeptical even as it was happening. What convinced me, was the fact that I could feel myself laying in bed simultaneously to seeing/feeling myself elsewhere, and I was thus able to instantaneously sit up in my body. That proved, to me, that it was astral projection. Now if you have another explanation that doesn't involve something that I, as someone very experienced with all manner of dream and sleep states, know isn't patently false, I'm all ears. If you want to not believe that it didn't happen that way, you are free to do so, but since I know it did happen that way the proof still stands for me.
Put up or shut up.
originally posted by: In4ormant
I suspect this also accounts for a large number of "abduction" experiences
originally posted by: TheJourney
originally posted by: Woodcarver
That is very easy. You are dreaming. If you think you can astral project, then lets set up an experiment. If you pass my simple test. I'll send you $10,000 and pay for a trip to the Randi foundation. If you pass their test, they will give you $1,000,000.
originally posted by: TheJourney
originally posted by: Woodcarver
I understand that sleep paralysis is real and that lucid dreaming is real.
What i disagree with is astral projection. If you can't prove it is really happening outside of your imagination, then i have no reason to believe you.
a reply to: TheJourney
No one has any reason to believe anyone online. As I said in my OP, I was skeptical even as it was happening. What convinced me, was the fact that I could feel myself laying in bed simultaneously to seeing/feeling myself elsewhere, and I was thus able to instantaneously sit up in my body. That proved, to me, that it was astral projection. Now if you have another explanation that doesn't involve something that I, as someone very experienced with all manner of dream and sleep states, know isn't patently false, I'm all ears. If you want to not believe that it didn't happen that way, you are free to do so, but since I know it did happen that way the proof still stands for me.
Put up or shut up.
I don't even truly know the nature of the astral plane. I've only done it one time. I can't astral project at will and pass some test. My first experience was just traveling near my actual physical environment, except everything was incredibly bright and vivid. I suspect, as people claim, there are much more 'far out' possibilities with astral travel. I do not know, these are the questions I would like to answer through experiment, along with whatever else may be learned along the way. You are so arrogant about things you know absolutely nothing about.
originally posted by: Woodcarver
originally posted by: In4ormant
I suspect this also accounts for a large number of "abduction" experiences
I'm sure it does. Our brains are responsible for every mistake we make. They have proven to be one of the biggest obstacles to learning about our environment and our bodies. That is why we use the scientific method to guide us and not just our own observations and opinions.
I can prove i love my family. You can't prove astral projection.
originally posted by: PsychoEmperor
a reply to: Woodcarver
In certain situations, you have to take your own journey in life. Astral Projectors can't prove to you it's real anymore than you can prove to me you love your mother/father/any loved one.
As to the OP, I love sleep paralysis. My first experience with it was terrifying as it would be for anyone, but after learning what it was and starting my Astral Projection journey, I've come to love the feeling and take it as an exciting indicator I'm going to Astral Project
originally posted by: Woodcarver
originally posted by: TheJourney
originally posted by: Woodcarver
That is very easy. You are dreaming. If you think you can astral project, then lets set up an experiment. If you pass my simple test. I'll send you $10,000 and pay for a trip to the Randi foundation. If you pass their test, they will give you $1,000,000.
originally posted by: TheJourney
originally posted by: Woodcarver
I understand that sleep paralysis is real and that lucid dreaming is real.
What i disagree with is astral projection. If you can't prove it is really happening outside of your imagination, then i have no reason to believe you.
a reply to: TheJourney
No one has any reason to believe anyone online. As I said in my OP, I was skeptical even as it was happening. What convinced me, was the fact that I could feel myself laying in bed simultaneously to seeing/feeling myself elsewhere, and I was thus able to instantaneously sit up in my body. That proved, to me, that it was astral projection. Now if you have another explanation that doesn't involve something that I, as someone very experienced with all manner of dream and sleep states, know isn't patently false, I'm all ears. If you want to not believe that it didn't happen that way, you are free to do so, but since I know it did happen that way the proof still stands for me.
Put up or shut up.
I don't even truly know the nature of the astral plane. I've only done it one time. I can't astral project at will and pass some test. My first experience was just traveling near my actual physical environment, except everything was incredibly bright and vivid. I suspect, as people claim, there are much more 'far out' possibilities with astral travel. I do not know, these are the questions I would like to answer through experiment, along with whatever else may be learned along the way. You are so arrogant about things you know absolutely nothing about.
You are the one making claims that can't be backed up. If you find my skepticism arrogant, then i'll just assume you're butt hurt for being called out for spreading fantastic claims and trying to educate people about something you have just admitted you know nothing about.
originally posted by: TheJourney
originally posted by: Woodcarver
originally posted by: In4ormant
I suspect this also accounts for a large number of "abduction" experiences
I'm sure it does. Our brains are responsible for every mistake we make. They have proven to be one of the biggest obstacles to learning about our environment and our bodies. That is why we use the scientific method to guide us and not just our own observations and opinions.
Did you two even read my OP...I specifically mentioned alien abductions being products of sleep paralysis, and that perceptions out of that state are projections of the individuals mind...I am very highly experienced with dream and sleep states, which is why all of your simplistic thought processes which are rooted with a foundation of no experience whatsoever with this sort of thing is meaningless to someone who has. I'm not a guy who just claims and believes ridiculous things. I know better than most how these things work, which is why I know the nature of my experiences.
originally posted by: PsychoEmperor
a reply to: Woodcarver
Please do prove you love your family. That would be an amazing accomplishment as no one to date has been able to prove this scientifically.