Should gay people fight for the right for anti-gay businesses to take their money or just boycott?

a reply to: Grimpachi
I wasn't trying to be either I was just trying to figure out what his person was trying to say. I am sorry you took it the wrong way, because they didn't. There was a lot of conversation going on and it got confusing at times.

a reply to: Grimpachi
Well, someone who has actually owned a B+M. Did you have to sign a contract stating you will serve everyone who walks through the door in order to open? Serious question.

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

But you see, Christian bookstores aren't pretending to be anything other than what they are. I wouldn't go into a Christian bookstore and demand they order in textbooks on Evolution or copies of the Qur'an.

a reply to: TKDRL

Why are you talking about contracts? We are talking about businesses like bakeries, grocery stores, and such that are open to the public.

a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog

But you see, Christian bookstores aren't pretending to be anything other than what they are. I wouldn't go into a Christian bookstore and demand they order in textbooks on Evolution or copies of the Qur'an.

Oh god that's a big BINGO right there! You cannot walk into that bookstore and demand those books!

HUGE DIFFERENCE!

a reply to: Deaf Alien
Because even bakeries and grocery stores deal with a lot of contracts.....

a reply to: TKDRL

It has been over 10 years. There was a lot of paperwork and to be honest I didn't read it all but my wife did.

Basically, you do not have to take contractual obligations for specialized work, but if you offer a certain service at a set rate it is the same as a menu item or shelved product.

a reply to: TKDRL

Is that not the expectation when you open a business in a public area with an unlocked door and an open sign? That anyone who comes through the door and finds what they want can purchase it? How am I suppose to distinguish between what store I can go into and not if they are in a place like a strip mall or a retail/business area of a city?

a reply to: TKDRL

No they open their businesses to the public. As far as the contract is concerned, the contract is with the government. To get a business license you have to follow the laws.

a reply to: Grimpachi
Ah I see. So there I am definitely exempted. I am guessing that a lot of businesses that are sued advertise they sell a wedding cake for x price, or will photograph a wedding for x price. I have always set my prices per job. Too many variables to advertise any set prices in the construction business.

a reply to: Annee
So if the majority of people in a state say something is allowed by law no matter what the Federal government says is the law, it's okay now?

a reply to: TKDRL
I do not know much about contractual business but I would imagine that you can refuse requests from people or organizations such as Westboro Baptist Church.

a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog
If they are public areas, then why are they required to pay rent, or purchase said property? I don't see why anyone would open a B+M business anymore really. Doesn't seem like it's worth the hassle to me. Too much like working for a boss for my tastes.

a reply to: TKDRL

I'm referring more to the businesses Deaf Alien was speaking of like bakeries and florist shops. There's a different expectation of public accessibility to businesses of those kind versus a specialized business or one that really is only for a niche community/public.

a reply to: Deaf Alien
I can refuse requests from anyone I want. I simply say no thanks, you will have to find someone else.

I normally don't deal with organizations for the most parts, just individuals. I might be doing a job at an organization, but it is either the owner, or the contractor hired to do the job that I am contracting with. The only exception I can think of off the top of my head is when I did the floors in a college gymnasium, that time the contract was with the school board if I recall correctly.

None of this will matter in 20 years when the whole country is under Sharia Law.

a reply to: TKDRL

OK but here we are talking about businesses that are open to the public. Let's stick to that (as per the topic of this thread).

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: Grimpachi
Ah I see. So there I am definitely exempted. I am guessing that a lot of businesses that are sued advertise they sell a wedding cake for x price, or will photograph a wedding for x price. I have always set my prices per job. Too many variables to advertise any set prices in the construction business.

Yes, you are exempted and your examples are correct.

Still because I am iffy on some things it would probably be a good idea to not tell someone your turning down a job based on you don't like all (insert protected class).

You can tell the person they are an A-hole and you would never work for them but don't make any statements like all (race, creed, sexual orientation) people are a-holes.

I am sure you have the common sense not to do that anyway.

a reply to: Grimpachi
Personally, I only really turn down jobs because I can't get the job done when they need it, or they are indeed assholes lol. I am honest with the people when it comes to time, but I usually don't give a reason at all to the assholes, out of civility. I just say no thanks.

Still, I am glad to have the freedom to turn down any job, it's one of the main reasons I wanted to work for myself.

originally posted by: Enochstask
a reply to: Annee
So if the majority of people in a state say something is allowed by law no matter what the Federal government says is the law, it's okay now?

Been a long time since I read up on it.

But, something about changes in society when a majority support it.

Kind of the same like gay marriage. Support has passed 51%.