The Nanny State: Feds propose monitoring how long you watch TV to control obesity

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

Does freedom come with responsibilities, the fat and un healty people, shouldent they have to pay extra for the strain on the healthcare.

Oh and op i dont think you understand what starvation really means.

Why should they pay extra. I'm not trying to make excuse for them, but a quick search will show you that corn syrup thats become a sugar replacement and is so pervasive and leads to many health problems. How was the consumer given a choice. I mean The Corporations push for "vague" ingredient labeling laws so GMO foods get a free pass.

And why should they pay extra...if the Govts create trillions out of thin air to bail out their banking buddies they could do the same for healthcare. Its all an illusion anyway, money that is. Until its time for the average joe to do their tax returns. Then the money becomes real again.

As to starvation...I didnt see the op mention it. However you should look at hunger game movies. Whilst the rich eat meat the poor will be fighting for scraps. But I think perhaps you wouldnt find that such a bad idea as you have bought the lies hook line and sinker when you stated the "fat and unhealthy should pay extra"

a reply to: beezzer

I'm just sad at the freedoms lost because people refused the responsibility themselves

Werent they lost around the beginning of the 20th century when the Rockeffelers through "think tanks" and endowments created the "modern education system" to train good slaves. About the same time when the Fed was created on Jekyll Island.

a reply to: [post=19032533]TheConstruKctionofLight[/post

Responsibilities is something people need to have, not more excuses.

originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: grandmakdw

It took some time searching through my history but I found the article I was referencing and here it is:

What if Diabetes Causes Obesity - Not the Other Way Around?(source)

Surgeon Peter Attia demonstrates that the obesity crisis might be hiding a bigger problem. As a young surgeon, Peter Attia felt contempt for a patient with diabetes. She was overweight, he thought, and thus responsible for the fact that she needed a foot amputation. But years later, Attia received an unpleasant medical surprise that led him to wonder: is our understanding of diabetes right?

Could the precursors to diabetes cause obesity, and not the other way around? A look at how assumptions may be leading us to wage the wrong medical war.

Wait there is more startling news on obesity:

Millions of people around the world consume diet drinks with artificial sweeteners to lose weight or to prevent diabetes. They are sabotaging their weight-loss efforts.

Artificial sweeteners cause diabetes and obesity.

Research at the Weizmann Institute of Science in Israel was done on the big three artificial sweeteners:

1. Aspartame, found in many diet drinks.

2. Saccharin, found in Sweet ‘n Low.

3. Sucralose found in Splenda.

All of them raised the risk of diabete Read more

source

Ouch!

Take some time and let this sink in,

the corps might be responsible for the recent outbreak in both diabetes and obesity.

Do you think the current Nanny state is a good thing to protect everyone from people who have religious faith?

No I am saying; we must be careful of allowing religious belief in shaping the laws of our society, all religious beliefs or faiths. In our church I have seen prejudice and fear of other Christian churches, not to mention all non Christian faiths.

Good find on the diabetes.

I started diet soda as a teen, hmmmmmm

I quit it several years ago, except as a "treat" occasionally, I don't drink full bodied soda

I agree that not all obesity is due to a lack of self control
I watch my diet carefully
I exercise regularly and vigorously
and still I am mildly obese

The scale says I'm obese, but
the Doc says I don't look obese
and I have good cholesterol, thyroid etc.

There HAS to be something else going on! Well at least for me.


Anyhoo - as regards to religion,
we need to also be careful not to trample on the religious rights of people of faith

as is being done to the 70 year old widow I referenced earlier, who has nothing against gays personally, but just wanted to exercise her religious freedom, when it would have harmed no one, there are plenty of florists around :
just like the bakers, there are plenty of bakers around:
but the state feels compelled to bankrupt and drive out of business people who hurt no one and simply wish to follow their conscience in their business, out of liberal/progressive/socialist forced correctness of thought and politically correct behavior, even when it tramples on one's religious rights.

We have taken the witch hunt business and turned it into a persecution business when it comes to these harmless people who simply are minding their own business (literally); when there is a myriad of opportunities for the LGBT to get flowers and cakes many many other local places.

BTW, before anyone gets their panties in a wad. I think everyone has a right to privacy in the bedroom between consenting adults, not my business, and don't make it my business, by flashing body parts (ie hetro: Miley Cyrus), or hetro: crotch grabbing (male singers), or near naked exhibitions in parades, or forcing anyone to do something they disagree with because you want to do it in the bedroom, not their business, not mine, and let's leave it that way. Live and let live.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Self censored
Off topic
Apologies to OP

a reply to: artistpoet

And this is on topic, even the tiniest, teeniest bit how?

Apology accepted,
cookie for the self removal of post.

I promise the cookie is 90% plant based!

a reply to: grandmakdw

Ooops got carried away ... I apologise

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

Responsibilities is something people need to have, not more excuses.

So how have you shown responsibility by allowing companies like Monsanto poisoning your food?

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Its not my fault lol, i made sure i educated myself enough to understand whats a healthy diet, i pig out once a week and enjoy most foods even the bad ones.

So again its the government fault that people are fat right?

I am a smoker, i pay more for life insurance and benefits, its my own fault, i am the one to blame,nobody else.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: beezzer

I'm just sad at the freedoms lost because people refused the responsibility themselves

Werent they lost around the beginning of the 20th century when the Rockeffelers through "think tanks" and endowments created the "modern education system" to train good slaves. About the same time when the Fed was created on Jekyll Island.

If we can both agree that personal responsibilities have been lost, determining "when" is moot point at best.

Do we fight to regain those personal responsibilities or do we say goodbye to individuality and self-determination forever/

a reply to: beezzer

Who's going to fight and how?

Fight the system, the culture, the idea?

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: beezzer

Who's going to fight and how?

It's an individual basis. The cultural war has been lost.

Fight the system, the culture, the idea?

No fight really. Just a desire to self-determine. To use what I have, not go to government for anything.

Government maintains roads, collects taxes, fights wars and delivers the mail.

The rest?

They can kiss my butt.

originally posted by: ketsuko
Then there was all the stuff in there about making people "transition" to certain diets, not because they're better for us but because they're better for the planet.

It's no one's business what I eat. Or at least it didn't used to be until we put them in charge of our health.

The works and structure of the Planet will continue on exactly as it has before and is today if every human on the planet vanished. Humans are an insignificant microscopic speck, an anomaly in development on a planetary scale. Small thinkers stare into a mirror at the wonder of the greatness they see. A walker in the Truth and Absolutes looks at the Sea, the clear night sky, and all of nature and are speechless at the greatness they see.

Maybe there would not be so many overweight people now if we were allowed to let our kids play outside and at the park without fear of the cops being called on you because "oh my god, children are playing".

Maybe more kids would play sports if they were allowed the recognition for doing well that they used to receive. People work harder towards a goal when they receive applause for doing well. Instead the losing team is made to feel like winners and the winners are not even allowed to say "yay we won"

Maybe adults/kids would not be so overweight if parents were able to take their kids to the park and play ball on the weekends, but because they are so stretched thin trying to make ends meet the ever escalating prices they need to work weekend jobs and longer hours, and never any time for play. They need to quit taxing the hell out of us and giving our jobs away. We need to breathe and perhaps if we could do that we would be less inclined to drown our sorrows in chocolate cake.


This is just one more excuse to take away more of our personal rights. This will not happen in my home, it will not. We hardly watch television and none of us are overweight but pretty soon it won't just be about that and you all know it. They will try and find another way to get their foot in our home before they just say "oh F, it all and come right in" Stop buying their televisions, smart phones, tablets etc... start taking a stand tell them to butt the hell out of our lives or all our grandkids are going to have the same memories of our children that good'ol Winston had of his mother.

a reply to: grandmakdw

While I am not familiar with the details of this story.

I think the gay couple acted childish and immature, any reasonable adult would have known they were not welcome there and took their money elsewhere.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

It is beyond evident that making poor health choices is criminal.

Are you being sarcastic otherwise it sounds to me like you have become one of the authoritarians?

That was absolutely sarcasm.

We all laugh now, like you said, but what will happen 10 years from now? Smart televisions could be easily equipped to count how long people are in front of the T.V., they can even record facial expressions and conversations. Politicians are greedy dicks and would love to get their hands on the power the smart T.V. has to offer.

This goes to both sides, Republican and Democrat - of course Dems would love to use it to monitor people for "health" reasons.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Steady incremental march toward fascism

Then war

Death

Misery for those left alive

a reply to: ManFromEurope

Yes I agree with the ambulance example
And that not everything is black and white

We can always find exceptions to every rule

But we are talking about a specific thing here ...

The Tyranny of which I speak is the monitoring through everyday devices of it's citizens

People everywhere do things which are not good for them or others

Do we monitor the every day activities of those we elect to represent us
Or private corporations

But fair point

originally posted by: artistpoet
a reply to: ManFromEurope

Yes I agree with the ambulance example
And that not everything is black and white

We can always find exceptions to every rule

But we are talking about a specific thing here ...

The Tyranny of which I speak is the monitoring through everyday devices of it's citizens

People everywhere do things which are not good for them or others

Do we monitor the every day activities of those we elect to represent us
Or private corporations

But fair point

Where you start at "the tyranny"

WOW, great thinking and
a wonderful expression
and summary
of the overall issue!

"The Tyranny of which I speak is the monitoring through everyday devices of it's citizens

People everywhere do things which are not good for them or others

Do we monitor the every day activities of those we elect to represent us
Or private corporations"