Images of Adam and Eve discovered in Paradise.

a reply to: funkadeliaaaa

You're just throwing Theosophical generalizations around there, take a look at the specifics of The Great Bath cult of Mohenjo Daro, in what way could a 'fish nymph' cult have been considered to have come down from the mountain?

a reply to: charlyv

I find the comparison between the seemingly segmented tubular arms of the Dogu and Vinca figurines most fascinating, in the rare glimpses of what lay beneath the suits the evidence indicates no actual arms or legs as such, but short flipper like appendages, thus the humanoid appearance through the suit is of a cybernetic nature.

Like i've mentioned the closest comparison is to aquatic or amphibious mammals, there is a Japanese tradition of the Kappa that may derive from this;

Another notable feature in some stories, is that the kappa's arms are said to be connected to each other through the torso and able to slide from one side to the other While they are primarily water creatures, they do on occasion venture on to land. When they do, the plate can be covered with a metal cap for protection

A similar weakness of the kappa in some tales are their arms, which can be easily pulled from their body. If their arm is detached, they will perform favors or share knowledge in exchange for its return. Once the kappa is in possession of its arm it can then be reattached

Dogu creatures of the watery abyss

That would of course further raise the question of who fitted out a species of aquatic mammals in cybernetic costumes and sent them off into space...

I think it's actually quite a beautiful belief system the world seemed to have back then.

Star people, gods in ships coming here and creating us / teaching us and generally helping us out in both mental and physical ways.

Can't say i've seen any evidence of 'believe in us, or you'll be punished and or killed...unlike many of the mainstream religions today..whose cult members seem more than happy to kill or harm just about anybody at the drop of a hat.

Maybe the world should be encouraged to admit it's major religions are all just corrupted bastardisations of this original 'star god' belief system and return to the truth.

Perhaps it was a lot more than just a belief system back then...maybe it's a factual recounting of real literal events and happening instead?

originally posted by: cenpuppie
a reply to: Kantzveldt

There are tales of African nomads and I believe Sumerians, of Fish People arriving in the area and teaching man. I lost all of my bookmarks on it but there is one tale that stuck with me because more than one culture had a tale of aquatic type people entering the area.

most others believed they maybe some connection with the Nile valley folks, certainly they share the same symbol as Saharans

In Hawaii, you can see that same image a thousand times over carved in volcanic rock. Experts best guess is a birthing ritual. Suddenly, after reading this thread, it begins to give new meaning. lol



This always struck me as “fluid” or “aquatic” (same location)



In New Mexico the ancient Pueblos (AKA: Anasazi) used similar imagery:

I took this picture of a rock outcrop at Chaco Canyon and colored it in to see it better. You ask me it looks like an ancient attempt at animation:



notice the style is similar to Hawaii and various other places around the world. There are in fact other petroglyphs that are exactly the same but I’d have to go through my photos and upload. If anyone is curious let me know and I’ll dig.

a reply to: MysterX

The Bible based faiths certainly take a reactionary position against of all this, the reason being that the Hebrews are a tribal confederation that rebelled against the Canaanite upper classes that were claiming descent and basis of tradition from the earlier initiatives.

To the Hebrews it appeared that in empowering all the cultures that surrounded and oppressed them through the early instruction and help given to certain peoples must have been evil, as that was their perceived observation of the resultant civilizations.

I don't really think such a negative position is justified, yes if you increase the knowledge and potential power of someone you give them greater capacity for evil, but also good and the benefits of civilization. The Hebrew position is entirely hypocritical as they adopted and exploited all the resultant scribal traditions themselves based upon the earlier lore whilst attempting to force them out of the picture and forwarding themselves as a Chosen people.

The actual evidence from the earliest cultures closest to contact indicate an entirely benevolent and peaceful initiative and that it was up to us what we made of it.

a reply to: Kantzveldt

The actual evidence from the earliest cultures closest to contact indicate an entirely benevolent and peaceful initiative and that it was up to us what we made of it.

Agreed.

Haven't done a particularly good job of it have we.

a reply to: Rosinitiate

Yes maybe worth taking another look at the common fish symbol of Easter island seen here in conjunction with their God 'Make-Make'...



Good name for a God that...




Contact between Easter island and Equador

originally posted by: Kantzveldt
a reply to: funkadeliaaaa

You're just throwing Theosophical generalizations around there, take a look at the specifics of The Great Bath cult of Mohenjo Daro, in what way could a 'fish nymph' cult have been considered to have come down from the mountain?

Im trying to be historically accurate. If thats all you are trying to accuse me of, fine.
In answer to your question here some words you wrote from a post in the thread you linked.

Yes i think it's the descendants of the people from the fish-star, an elite group of Priests and Priestesses that were strangely alluring...good swimmers too.

Fish-star. Its hard to ignore that reference to their celestial like appearance.
In my opinion, it is far more likely that the reason for their celestial like appearance was because they lived along a river that is connected to the most celestial place on earth, the Himalayas. Far more likely than the theory that they were from extra terrestial origin as you're claiming. The himalayas have been a place where different tribes and cultures have lived for thousands of years.

If they were really extra terrestial in origin why is it they left behind only abstract clay figurines, jewellery, dice and pottery?

a reply to: Ridhya

I may be wrong but I think Pan is of Celtic or maybe Gaulish origin. I don't think he came from the Greeks or Mesopotamia.

a reply to: DanKeizer
Gauls are Celts

Pan was worshipped in Greece but the origin, there was a similar Hindu deity that started with a P (forgot name) so we could probably trace it back to Vedic or Harrappan worship (maybe 1500 BC)... but im just saying the images of cow-form gods look an awful lot like bipedal prototypical devils, or Pan!

Although ancient alien visitation seems like a probable event, it is hard to make anything definite out of these primitive artifacts and beliefs. The stars and numerology were an important part of their belief system, and these even filtered in to the Bible. Your depth of knowledge seems to be degree-level, perhaps you should write a book.
a reply to: Kantzveldt

a reply to: funkadeliaaaa

The evidence trail in this suggests a common source for both Sumerian and Indus valley traditions based upon the clay figurines that were prevalent throughout the Near East for two thousand years before their civilizations began, the original source for the greater tradition seems to have been Vinca culture in the Balkans, there simply isn't any trail of evidence leading to the Himalayas, as i said it was the Theosophists that held that region as the source of all esoteric tradition, it's not a question of what's the more likely only what the evidence suggests they believed.

I'm not saying the people were of extra-terrestrial in origin per se, though they appear to have had contact traditions and suggestions of inter-breeding, and any advanced knowledge received was practical in terms of irrigation, clay firing, cultivation, animal management and ordering of society that would facilitate establishing civilization themselves, like the traditions indicate, they simply taught.

a reply to: Parthin

I just find it rewarding to once more take up the cause of the Sumerian scholars...

originally posted by: Ridhya
a reply to: DanKeizer
Gauls are Celts

Pan was worshipped in Greece but the origin, there was a similar Hindu deity that started with a P (forgot name) so we could probably trace it back to Vedic or Harrappan worship (maybe 1500 BC)... but im just saying the images of cow-form gods look an awful lot like bipedal prototypical devils, or Pan!

Bes a god of creative sexual energy often shown wild and naked like Pan or Bacchus

Greek Saytr or Pan aka Bes aka Bacchus


Ptah a Ba-twa

Akka a modern Ba-Twa notice the x cross as is shown on Ptah
Ptah lord and of Memphis it was from his name Egypt was derived,as Hwt-ka-Ptah (home of the ka (soul) of Ptah) transliterated as Aígyptos by the later Greeks,what's interesting is his apparent connection to the Great lakes region

Pan was connected to Bes, a central African or Great Lakes God worshiped all over the Med he is a Ba-twa or Pygmy he may also be linked to Ptah who is also a Ba-twa.
It would not be unusual that his worship should be passed into Celtic tradition for while they were remote they were not isolated from the Mediterranean.

I have nothing to add I'm afraid. It seems a lot of ground has been covered.

Stopping here to say thank you for posting. And staying tuned! Very interesting!

a reply to: Kantzveldt
As soon as I heard the title, oh how did I know it was going to be you again with another one of your threads. You do have a flair for the titles in your threads however, a bit misleading though like the rest. While that may be an image its still merely a representation, just saying. And like all representations of images it can be interpreted a bunch of ways, to many to bother with really. I am sure there are others who interpret those very same images in different ways.

I however think its a cool theory, fish people and all that, but whatever you know. In all like I said in another thread I believe or someone said in this. You likely better off writing a book on how you got to you conclusions, because frankly nobody's going to bother remembering all these things but a few who likely dabbled in ancient Sumer history and mythology, its a pain to even bother remembering all these gods and goddesses representations and there ridiculous incarnations over the ages. Whenever I run into you all arguing about it, to me at least it sounds like two kids arguing over the meaning and interpretation of there favorite Pokemon, and the many levels of transformations of mew or pikachu.

Just saying you know. Don't get all insulted there. But even if they all existed at one time, it likely does not matter now.

a reply to: Kantzveldt

If Confucius even once simply said, to look into the past,
is to be confused and confounded by it ? It would quite
literally be the most profound uttering from the man ever.

SnF as always!

originally posted by: Spider879
I can't think of a connection with the Sumerians but one Indian scholar seemed think there is, most others believed they maybe some connection with the Nile valley folks, certainly they share the same symbol as Saharans

Amazigh symbol used on their flags a Saharan folk also inhabiting coastal North Africa.

Dogon symbol they originated in the Sahara before migrating to the Savannah and were pushed to being cliff dwellers by Mandinka expansionist
I read somewhere that Berbers share deep clides with them.

According to this paper, the Indus Valley script has been attributed to the Dravidian language group and you're on the ball...

The Indus Valley writing was in Tamil, a Dravidian language2–5. It was assumed that the Indus Valley writing was written in a Dravidian language because of the presence of Dravidian speakers of Brahui in the Indus Valley. The Dravidian people originated in Africa9–18, they belonged to the C-Group culture of Nubia19. The Dravidians were Proto-Saharan people20. The ProtoSaharans were the ancestors of the Dravidian, Elamite and Sumerian people20,21.
These Proto-Saharans shared a common system of writing which first appeared on the pottery and later evolved into a syllabic writing system (Figure 1). The key to deciphering the Harappan script was the recognition that the ProtoDravidians who settled in the Indus Valley had formerly lived in the ProtoSahara, where they used the so-called Libyco-Berber writing22.

CURRENT SCIENCE, VOL. 103, NO. 10, 25 NOVEMBER 2012, Dravidian is the language of the Indus writing
Clyde Winters

How astute of you

Whoever started writing in the Indus Valley, they were of African (via Berber?) descent it seems.

a reply to: Anaana

I wished you didn't quote Winters on this he is a hyper-diffusionist who belived all or most of the ancient high civilizations had a single Mande source,genetics and linguist do not agree with him, how ever there were certainly links connected through trade one of the possible location of Meluhha was perhaps Kush, in a later Babylonian inscription Magan aka Egypt and Meluhha Kush is mentioned together.

a reply to: Dabrazzo

lololololol ty.....u gave me a great laugh

a reply to: Spider879

Yes, lots of divergent opinions on these topics. I'm just reading the paper from which the OP got the illustrations from which the title of the thread was derived. That concluded that these 'Gulf Type Seals' are particular to Bahrain but represent a migrations from the Indus Valley.

The innovative group of risk-taking entrepreneurs that were instrumental in transmitting Indus Valley sealing, writing and weight technology into Dilmun culture must at first have been composed of breakaway Harappans (c.2100 BC), followed by a combination of Dilmunite and acculturated Harappans merchants (c.2050 BC) attracted by the emerging social elite to the rising centre of trade on Bahrain. The sealing technology was adapted in a relatively open and experimental environment, as evidenced by the presence of hybrid forms such as the prismshaped seals and Gulf-styled cylinder seals. The crudely made ‘local’ styled seals on Bahrain show that seal production in the earlier phases was not monopolised by a central authority or exclusively maintained in the hands of specialists. Conversely, with the emergence of the Dilmun Type seal around 2000 BC the stamp seals became heavily institutionalised, as testified by the standard three groves and four dots-in-circle ‘brand’ on the reverse. The transformation of the Indus script into a ‘western’ grammar as testified by the prefix ‘twins’ on the seals suggests that the process occurred in relative isolation from the Indus Valley centres. This also seems to be the explanation for the almost instant ‘loss’ of the ‘mangers’⁄’cult-stands’ and ‘Decken’ in the ‘bull in profile’ composition. Seen together with the obvious de-selection of the classic square shape and the explicit use of the shorthorned bull as a heraldic animal, the translated ‘Gulf edition’ of Harappan sealing culture appears as a hybrid seal designed to convey a strong message of autonomy. Thus, in establishing the ‘Gulf Type’ the parties involved on the one hand borrowed technology and symbolism from a well-established sealing tradition, while on the other made a substantial effort to insure sufficient distance from the original tradition. It thus seems that the adaptation of an indigenous sealing technology (and other administrative technologies) may have been an integrated component in the endeavour of the indigenous Dilmun elite to challenge the monopoly of Magan on trade with Mesopotamia. One can speculate that Dilmun’s adaptation of well-tested systems for sealing, writing and weighing did not provide a vital organisational edge that in the long run proved to be a decisive factor behind Dilmun’s favourable economic position in the Isin-Larsa period.

The westward transmission of Indus Valley sealing technology: origin and development of the ‘Gulf Type’ seal and other administrative technologies in Early Dilmun, c.2100–2000 BC, John Wiley, Arab. arch. epig. 2010: 21: 96–134 (2010)

Loads of really interesting research going on in this area.

a reply to: Anaana

Dravdian and Sumer are linked together that part is true, Elamite maybe a language isolate perhaps sharing features with both Dravidian and Afroasiatic which ultimately came from East Africa, Berber is also Afroasiatic but I can't draw any conclusion that they are the same people.