Dying man cured with vitamin C, doctors deny it.

a reply to: ParasuvO

Who said it doesn't work?

The body needs vitamin c.

What I'm saying, well asking, is how did vitamin c drain this mans lungs?

Answer that if you can.

a reply to: ColeYounger

Hey OP, beat you to the post by 2.5 years.

Thread here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

the human bode is amazing.
but only if you give it what it needs.
and When it needs it.

but you killed off the wise woman.
witches.

originally posted by: ColeYounger
a reply to: jonnywhite

They're doctors because they usually know better than us. If you're going to tell a doctor what to do, have strong supporting evidence.

How about the fact that if you have a painful joint injury, like a sprain, the doctor will recommend NSAIDs.
(Ibuprofen, tylenol, Aleve, Advil, Motrin, etc, etc, etc)

Yet it's been scientifically proven that NSAIDs destroy both bone and cartilage. Yea...the docs know better!

I'm pro-nutrition, anti-overuse of medicines, but figured I'd throw this in just coming from a point of knowledge. I had a viscous ankle sprain this past summer. The Orthopedic specialist I followed up with after the ER said it was the worst ankle sprain he'd seen in his (25+ year) career that didn't include fractures.

Pain meds recommended: ibuprofen for 2-3 days. Here's why: initially, it's useful to bring the swelling down to a less-ridiculous level. After a short time though, it's best to lay off the antiinflammatory meds, as they slow healing (probably exactly what you're referring to.)

So with most doctors in the US running scared and unwilling to prescribe opioid pain relievers, I spent the next couple of weeks in excruciating pain. I did, however, max out my personal nutritional protocols. I ditched crutches in 4 days instead of 4-6 weeks and was pushing my son around the yard in a wheelbarrow by day 10. My previous, much more minor ankle sprain had me dependent on crutches (or as I like to call the vile things, demon sticks) for a full 4 weeks. That time (15 years younger as well), my doctor had prescribed ibuprofen (800mg) 3x/day for a full month.

I'm a fast healer, but healed faster in my early 20's than now. The only differences this time were the lack of ongoing ibuprofen, and possibly my not pushing to get back in form quickly the first time as I had no real responsibilities the first time around. This, *unscientifically*, I blame the ibuprofen (and crappy doc) the first time around for my not healing like Wolverine.

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: ParasuvO

Who said it doesn't work?

The body needs vitamin c.

What I'm saying, well asking, is how did vitamin c drain this mans lungs?

Answer that if you can.

There is a possible legitimate explanation for that, which was discussed in one of the Ebola threads (and which I then looked further into to confirm legitimacy.)

Vitamin C does support the immune system, but, it also moderates the immune system. Some diseases are more deadly for healthy people due to an overreaction of the immune system, causing inflammation to the point it causes respiratory failure. Some mechanism of vitamin C somehow moderates the immune reaction, rather than allowing it to get out of control.

Perhaps this was the case here... Perhaps not, but it could be, and it's a shame that more doctors don't understand more about nutrition and biochemistry (nor truly have the freedom to act on it if they did.)

I have heard that vitamin C can cure animals that have been bitten by snakes. Apparently it breaks down the enzyme in the venom and you do not have to know what kind of snake it was. If I were bitten (god forbid) and I could not get to a hospital quickly for antivenom I would give it a go. There was a study done by an American scientist who discovered this cure. Has anyone else heard of this?

a reply to: SubSea

Can you objectively verify the claim? Didn't think so. Do you work for Big Vitamin?

Some people claim vitamin C is a cure-all for everything from the common cold to cancer. No doubt someone is binging on vitamin C as a cure for Ebola.

I tend to work on the evidence-base. If there is evidence that vitamin C cures cancer, then where is it? It's a lazy and simplistic approach to say that there's no evidence because it's being suppressed.

Oh, peer reviewed is always useful.

Regards

a reply to: Baddogma

You can only store so much Vitamin C. Large doses usually result in the excess being urinated out of the body.

Source

Ascorbate concentrations over renal re-absorption threshold pass freely into the urine and are excreted. At high dietary doses (corresponding to several hundred mg/day in humans) ascorbate is accumulated in the body until the plasma levels reach the renal resorption threshold, which is about 1.5 mg/dL in men and 1.3 mg/dL in women. Concentrations in the plasma larger than this value (thought to represent body saturation) are rapidly excreted in the urine with a half-life of about 30 minutes.

a reply to: ColeYounger

Linus Pauling was saying this some years ago.

a reply to: raymundoko

True that... and the "average dose," like an "average person," doesn't really exist, it's a variable amount.

Sorry to go off again, but I've been fascinated by this and seen it help many folks... and know far more people either don't know about it or think it's whacky... so... being no expert, but having some close friends who are "experts"... and being able to read, myself, heh...

There is no known toxic dose of c, but an excess is expelled through the usual method.. .i.e. urine/diarrhea... the average "bowel tolerance" (the highest dose able to be taken orally before diarrhea) dose is 2 to 3 grams at one time ... as it only stays active in the bloodstream for about an hour (20 minute half-life is estimated) , taking smaller doses at least an hour apart will alleviate any diarrhea or discomfort.

Interestingly, that bowel tolerance amount can change drastically day-to-day. When fighting an infection, for instance, a person who can usually only take a couple grams at one time may find they can take 10X that amount or more... and once the infection is gone, the tolerance lowers back to the regular amount as the body uses less.

I've experienced that myself... my usual max dose at one time is 3 grams... when I had that infection I was taking 10 grams every hour with no stomach issues... and the next day with the infection gone, I could only take 3 gms at one time again, so it's a good casual metric to see what your body needs.

This property...bowel tolerance... doesn't work with "liposomal c" as it is encapsulated in a lipid shell and deposited directly into cells. So liposomal is a nice alternative for people with low bowel tolerances... and it gets nearly all of the c into the cells, where only 50% of regular c (powder-pills) gets where we want it to go... in other words, half of all the normal c taken ends up in the toilet.

I'll stop the lecture now... back to work.

I won't speculate or debate about the man's lungs, I will however give my own brief account with Liposomal Vitamin C.

I'm in my mid-20s. Not unhealthy, about average for a US Citizen. I had however, had knee pains from high school sport activities, specifically, very heavy weight lifting. This wasn't the sort of thing that came and went, it was daily, and I had just assumed it was permanent damage that would probably need surgery later in life.

That being said, I had a period of time where I felt genuinely run down, tired, and sickly. I came across the Liposomal Vitamin C thread here on ATS during one of my periodical ATS browsing sessions on a previous visit, and remembered to look it up again. I eventually decided to order some online from a reputable source, and gave it a chance, taking 1,000mg doses two to three times a day. I did this for a week. During this time period I did not change anything else. Sleep schedule was the same, diet was typically the same, workload, stress, etc. By the end of the week I felt like a new person. Aside from the curing sickly feeling I had, a number of unexpected things happened. I was feeling far more rested after a full night sleep, even waking up before my alarm for work feeling completely refreshed. I did not feel exhausted when I came home from work, still having energy to easily do chores and things. Best of all, my knee pain disappeared. It's still gone, and it's been nearly two years since I did this. I still take the lip C once in a while when I feel a cold or something coming on, and I've yet to be fully sick again.

I've read there are obvious cases where taking this can be a bad thing, other diseases can conflict. If you are exempt from those conditions, I would entirely suggest trying it. Buy it, make it yourself, whatever. Maybe it won't work as well for everyone, and I'm sure it's not a cure all, but it definitely has merit.

Note: Just in case anyone points out my 'first post' being this one, I forgot my old login as I haven't posted here in some years. Not since 2010 at least.

Linus Pauling, a biochemist who won a Nobel Prize in chemistry was also a proponent of taking large doses of vitamin C (as are many other biochemists).

He is the only person in the world to have won two unshared Nobel prizes.

He believed that large doses of C can ward off cancer, extending their life. He also believed it can cure other ailments. He himself lived to 93.

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My reasoning why this might work is that it gives strength to cells on a cellular level.

I imagined that in the future, you can have some sort of (on the body) dispensing system which can dispense Vitamin C at regular intervals.

a reply to: thejohnfist

Which brand did you buy?

a reply to: nOraKat

I buy the LivOn packets. Typically get them from Amazon as they seem to be the cheapest.

OK Guys i want an answer. They wanted him on 100 grams vitamin c intravenous. intravenous is 70% conversion.
Lipositomal is 80% conversion..

If i were to take 50 grams vitamin C lipositamol would my bowels play up? would anything go wrong? Can you overdose?

I'm seriously considering buying an ultrasonic cleaner and getting this huge mega doses of vitamin c going.

Please help me. Thanks.

It's not actually Vitamin C that's a cure all, but Vitamin B. In large enough doses, Vitamin B can be used to treat just about any illness, and humans wouldn't actually get sick if only they took large doses of Vitamin B.

The drug companies know this. In the 1930's, they worked extremely hard to get any effective dosage of Vitamin B declared TOXIC to humans. Any pills you can get now are such low doses as to be completely ineffective.

Drug companies that invest hundreds of billions in drug research every year wont tell you that there's a cure all from getting sick in the first place, if only pills with a high enough dose were produced.

a reply to: DaRAGE

Too much Vitamin C can cause body function problems. I used to work for a fruit company, and got free juice and free fruit for about 7 years - I rarely got sick and my Vitamin C count was off the chart according to my GP.

However, internally, I had issues with several different systems that has issues with such high dosages.

I'd definitely consult with a doctor before self administering Vitamin C.

I loved the video and fell in love with the family. I need to post this to my social network. Important information about the establishment, big pharma and the strength of family.

One odd thing in the video was when he was in whiteout lung condition and they placed him on his stomach! Wow, they really did not want the Vit C to work! He was a bit swollen, heavy set and to lay him prone on his front side would crush his lungs but in this miracle case even that did not stop the Vit C therapy. I tell you if I have a loved one dying I would 100% try this, no doubt.