Ancient UFO Depiction Discovered in Romanian Monastery Painting?

there seems to be quite a bit of these, the vehicles always look super detailed

a reply to: intrptr
I'm sure you saw something but there is no historical evidence that Alexander did, flying shields or otherwise.
I tried fixing the link. Try copy and paste it, take out the "no link" part.

a reply to: Phage

I tried fixing the link. Try copy and paste it, take out the "no link" part.

I did, it came up not found. It is a fantastical story and so far the only version I have is the TV one. So I would like to read that if someone can help? Will check back later.

a reply to: intrptr
Found another version with the same theme. No historical records. Just a story started by Frank Edwards.
deliyannis.blogspot.com...

I am usually skeptical when it comes to ancient pictures supposedly depicting Flying Saucers. However, in that picture in the original post here, I do not see a "shield". I see a Saucer (round shaped) object with flames bellowing out of it. Now whether that is suppose to be a UFO or not, is anyone's best guest. But I do not see a shield at all. Those people back then knew what shields looked like and drawing one to them would be rather easy I am sure.

a reply to: Vrill

Rocket powered flying saucers?

Looks like a symbolic image to me.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Wolfenz
Yes. Quite standardized symbolism.
sprezzatura.it...

And when they Discover ( the Coin ) What would they think the Coin Represents ! a Eagle with a Olive Branch Landing On the Moon ?

Maybe. But they would be wrong. We didn't have to restart though, did we. We know the actual history of the medieval period and its symbology. We know what the artists (who were not at the events they painted) are representing.

Phage, is that your time machine in the painting?

On topic: Just looking at the image (which I've seen before) and the "object" in question, I see what appears as a non-physical something similar to a rounded fleur de lis that is morphing into the physical. This object is either responsible for or observing the destruction below.

a reply to: Rosinitiate

Ain't art cool? Symbolism is a powerful thing.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Rosinitiate

Ain't art cool? Symbolism is a powerful thing.

Indeed, looking at further I see a chubby man walking down the hill in front of the building. His arm is down into the grass and probably the one responsible for the fire. Therefore this is medieval propaganda trying to blame a false flag on a flying flower of the Lilly.....typical MSM spin.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Wolfenz

what was Shown in the 1930s of Scifi Pulp Fiction
1930s

Drawings to get people to buy Science fiction magazines.

They called them disks back then. And I'm pretty sure you know the story of how the term saucer came to be used later.

Btw, You think those stories are historical?

LOL Ever read any Vintage Pulp Science Fiction Magazines ?

The Term Came from Kenneth Arnold as he described how it moved, Skipped like one a saucer a plate on water ( other words, describing the zig zag movement ) , not what it looked like , which happens to look like a Boomerang, but for you saying Disk not so much Mostly Circular Structure, or Ship Round Ship,


Drawings to get people to buy Science fiction magazines.

ohh Really your Grasping In that Stretch...

True in some cases of Pulp Fiction Especially showing Sexy clad Woman in Weird Tales a Mostly Sword & Sorcery Supernatural Pulp. ( Porn in the Day ) but for Scifi Space Adventure kinda Opera no so much well Flash Gordon maybe.. Science Fiction was the least Popular back in the 1920 and 30s unlike Detective Mystery, Western/Cowboy Action/Adventure War/Fight and Fantasy of Sword and Sorcery Magazines. The Era of that time were mostly Farmers/Ranchers Industrial/Manufactures .


Historical? Depends! what you Mean!

Read a Book called

From Earth to the Moon by Jules Verne !
en.wikipedia.org...


That's What I consider HISTORICAL!

That Book was a Instruction Book, ( Influenced ) for Robert Goddard and Wernher Von Braun

NO DENYING THAT ! Right Down to NASA Close of Imitating the Launch Locations

PHAGE: EVEN NASA Say's it DID.. Do I have to Send you a Link to that too?

Art became LIFE in that game change !


I wonder how much Influence of Pulp & Digest Science Fiction Magazines, Was to Scientist to Engineers
Tho you know that The Beginner Pulp Writers did have Degrees in those Fields



Ohh My Bad Sorry The Very First Pic in my last post was from 1928 April from Amazing Stories !

Amazing Stories April 1928
Baron Munchhausen's Scientific Adventures by HUGO Gernsback


the 1928 Cover

I find it interesting that the painting says "put your hope in The Lord." I wonder if flying disks used to be attributed to angels in some cases.

sorry that i have nothing to add except i really like this as one of those hard to explain ones
i also like the coin below your op they have a similar look about them
a reply to: theantediluvian

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Wolfenz
Yes. Quite standardized symbolism.
sprezzatura.it...

And when they Discover ( the Coin ) What would they think the Coin Represents ! a Eagle with a Olive Branch Landing On the Moon ?

Maybe. But they would be wrong. We didn't have to restart though, did we. We know the actual history of the medieval period and its symbology. We know what the artists (who were not at the events they painted) are representing.

No we do not and you know nada zip nothing about art history if you do. NOTHING IS CEMENTED and most of it is interpretation, only fools see the same symbolism in everything yet ironically you also seem to be on top of your game when it comes to showing people that illuminati symbolism is garbage etc. On that aspect it doesnt apply for you, it seems, but of course, when it comes to debunking, you just throw stuff out there just like the nutters. This is a shield? Hahaha yeah and the london olympics had all seeying eyes on triangles. You are the one grasping at straws here, applying logic of one case to a case that is CLEARLY different.

I'm done here, I see a stubborn fool when I meet one and I dont have time to repeat myself endlessly when it falls on deaf ears anyway.

If you are just going to continue to pretend I say aliens, WHEN CLEARLY I DO NOT and am instead leaving the option open that the artist wanted us to INTERPRET rather than instantly recognise (WHICH IS THE FUNCTION OF SYMBOLISM), interpret, for instance, that they or someone was a witness to some kind of aerial event.

originally posted by: NoNameNeeded

originally posted by: Teratoma
It appears to me that the artist was attempting a realistic rendering of something from a more symbolic/representational/iconic format; in this case a shield he'd only seen on coins. There is no reason to assume the artist had access to an actual round, Roman-era shield to use for reference.

It does appear obvious to me that the same symbolism is being depicted here, as much as I would like it to have been a spaceship.

What? Did you even compare the painting to the coin? Why is the shield on the painting not circular in shape? It is on the coin, which you suggest the artist duplicated.. I disagree

And why would he not had have access to a shield for reference? If not an accurate one, any shield would do.

The shield in the painting is clearly circular in shape, it just has a rounded serrated rim. It also clearly has a boss in the centre, which is exactly what you'd expect from a parma shield. The flower pedal (for lack of a better phrase) pattern admittedly doesn't seem particularly common from a few google searches, but it's well known that man has been making decorative weapons with unique patterns ever since we started working with metals.

It really makes no sense to fixate on the (apparently) unique decorative aspect of the shield as evidence of it being a flying saucer anyway. Since it doesn't fit with depictions of flying sauces at all, which are usually said to be smooth and rounded and don't have a boss in the centre.

I want to see proof of extraterritorial life as much (or more) as anyone, but it would just be incredibly naive to draw conclusions with evidence as circumstantial as this.

The OP painting looks very interesting, but I can't be sure that it is meant to be a UFO.

However, on the flip side, my brain isn't letting me picture it as anything else lol.

Very odd, indeed.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: NoNameNeeded

originally posted by: Teratoma
It appears to me that the artist was attempting a realistic rendering of something from a more symbolic/representational/iconic format; in this case a shield he'd only seen on coins. There is no reason to assume the artist had access to an actual round, Roman-era shield to use for reference.

It does appear obvious to me that the same symbolism is being depicted here, as much as I would like it to have been a spaceship.

What? Did you even compare the painting to the coin? Why is the shield on the painting not circular in shape? It is on the coin, which you suggest the artist duplicated.. I disagree

And why would he not had have access to a shield for reference? If not an accurate one, any shield would do.

The shield in the painting is clearly circular in shape, it just has a rounded serrated rim. It also clearly has a boss in the centre, which is exactly what you'd expect from a parma shield. The flower pedal (for lack of a better phrase) pattern admittedly doesn't seem particularly common from a few google searches, but it's well known that man has been making decorative weapons with unique patterns ever since we started working with metals.

It really makes no sense to fixate on the (apparently) unique decorative aspect of the shield as evidence of it being a flying saucer anyway. Since it doesn't fit with depictions of flying sauces at all, which are usually said to be smooth and rounded and don't have a boss in the centre.

I want to see proof of extraterritorial life as much (or more) as anyone, but it would just be incredibly naive to draw conclusions with evidence as circumstantial as this.

This is insane, does anyone even read my posts completely? I THINK THIS IS A COMET, NOT AN ALIEN SPACECRAFT, FOR GODSAKE!

It really makes no sense either to use a unique decorative design for a SYMBOLIC representation of a shield! It is a very bumpy object, not a flying saucer OR a shield, stop implying I am seeing this as evidence of et life, this is freaking confusing to me and everyone reading, we're in the et subforum sure but i have stated numerous times I think its a recollection of eyewitness reports of an event where a meteor or comet struck, and it was seen in relation to this building somehow.

Im going to illustrate this myself, I'll draw an actual symbolic shield over a symbolic building that would have not only been easier to accomplish but also easier to interpret by the illiterate folk then. There simply is NO NEED to paint a storytelling piece of art only because you have a superstitious belief that a holy shield protects you from lightning and want to communicate this to your believers, there are WAY easier and direct means of doing this and this is depicted throughout art history

From depictions of what will happen if you go to hell, to how to fight a battle in war or defend yourself, they have all been translated to easy to understand SYMBOLIC images. This painting, however, is a clear depiction of an artist telling a story, very likely based on eyewitness accounts, hence the generalised design of the unknown object, which again, I'm implying could well have been an incoming object/"rock" from space that struck and caused severe destruction in the area, AS DEPICTED. The shield is failing miserably if it is to protect anything other than itself, dont you think...

I will be posting an illustration in this thread when i get the time to get one done

Star & Flag for the thread op. Ancient paintings always interest me. Yes "UFO" related ones peak my interest when it comes to the topic of "has other worldly life been visiting or been here on our planet way before us". IMHO YES " They " have been here since the dinosaur ages & before. I won't go into great detail explaining my personal beliefs or more better to call them a few of my more likely theories of the "UFO/ET Phenomenon", but think Star Trek, Galactic Federation, along those lines. I believe there are many races that most likely work together to seek out life, knowledge of space time, god, you name it... I'd like to think this faction/federation or whatever you or they would or do call it would be more benevolent and not the "Evil ETs", but if there is a federation/faction of good then obviously there must be the opposite "Evil/Parasitic/Self Serving Only". Now that, that is out of the way about the painting... It's likely the painters interpretation of some sort of shield/protection that would be of at that time planetary/religious beliefs but that doesn't mean that even if it was meant to represent something earthly/religiously related that it couldn't also be something other worldly/ET related also. The reason I say this is that since the beginning of mankind as we know it we have always seemed to need answers, something to explain/fill in the gaps of things that at any given time we don't/didn't understand. Religion, big example... Were did we come from? Since that question was first posed we have attempted to "fill the gaps with answers we could believe in" without necessarily having any "proof" that the answers we choose to believe at that time were true or not. Religion is the perfect example of what I'm trying to explain because it has changed/morphed/shifted paradigms & constantly rewritten/changed their own "Concrete Beliefs/Facts of Faith" to fit in with the current times within they lived to fit in with the currant paradigm at the moment right up until today. None of you can argue with that, I don't think, that is fact.

All that being said any and all paintings, ancient & new depicting what could very well be a representation of an other worldly craft/ET will NEVER be recognized by the Church UNTIL if & when such day comes that other worldly life is proven to be here, has been here, just got here, disclosure happens or even just the fact that there are other planets with inelegant species close to ours or far superior to ours. That's when the paradigm we live in now changes and thus the Church has no choice to Change along with its (as they have done 1,000s of times since religion began, especially organised religion with the power of the current Vatican/Religion over its followers & the billions of dollars they make not to mention the enormous political influence they have by way of their followers) newly found beliefs (acceptance of ET life being here in whatever capacity) or utterly falling apart and losing their power & thus their entire infrastructure & any control they may have had up until that moment of world affairs. I'd bet the bank that they would embrace our "other worldly kin" and even change the Damn scripture if that's what they had to do. Now let me ask you, anyone, Im curious... Am I Wrong?

~Anathema

Shields Do Not Fly. Art usually imitates Life. Life does not imitate art. Why were shields round? Were they imitating what they saw in the sky? Why weren't shields square like the Romans made them? Looks like UFO to me. Since I saw two orbs for a few seconds in the sky in 2009, I would believe or think UFO first. Interpretation of art comes from within and your personal life experiences. There are no right or wrong answers with art.

a reply to: NoNameNeeded

Oh yeah, I did read your post earlier. I guess the fact you have no avatar and it's a little confusing to see what you have got yourself so worked up over kind of muddled me.

But dude, the illustration in the painting clearly shows it has some kind of symbolic meaning of being protected by God. It's hard enough to get a realistic perspective from religious people in modern times, why even bother trying from a time when we thought the earth was the centre of the universe and had no way of understanding what a comet even was?

Like I've mentioned in an earlier post, I've seen a giant green fireball in the sky that was so bright and clearly visible that I seriously got worried it was coming straight for me. imo, if a person who believed in God and has no understanding of astronomy saw the same thing it would be perfectly reasonable to assume they would interpret it as a giant shield coming down from the heavens.

Either way it's all just speculation, the only people that could really tell us for sure what the artist was depicting are long gone.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: intrptr
Found another version with the same theme. No historical records. Just a story started by Frank Edwards.
deliyannis.blogspot.com...

That went down well with my morning coffee. Thanks, Phage for putting in the work. Thoroughly 'be dunked'.

Hot shields of broiling excrement, lol.

Furthermore, they [the Tyrians] would heat bronze shields in a blazing fire, fill them with hot sand and boiling excrement and suddenly hurl them from the walls.