Swine Flu Pandemic in 2009 was WAY worse than Ebola now....Proof right here!! The numbers don't lie

a reply to: badgerprints

But those deaths has been only in nations where ebola first did the species crossing, still until this day nobody can tell how ebola crossed species and nobody can tell or track the origins of the virus because bats are not their natural host to begin with, making the whole issue of ebola a suspicious virus and perhaps nature didn't have anything to do with it.

We only have death in the US and the person didn't contact the virus here.

a reply to: badgerprints

Exactly my point. The only reason the Swine Flu has killed more is because that pandemic was a true pandemic and we can look back now and see the full accounting of the toll it took.

This Ebola epidemic is still going strong and is a much slower spreader than the airborne Swine Flu. If it goes pandemic and affects the whole world the same way Swine Flu did. We can expect the final toll to be much, much grimmer than it was with the Swine Flu pandemic unless the virus mutates to become less lethal or unless we find a truly effective treatment. Even with the fell measure of Western medical care, if a full-blown load of Ebola cases were to fill the hospitals, you're still going to be looking at more deaths.

Ok, care to tell me why your opinion is that it is much worse?

a reply to: thesmokingman


The post right below yours that I am answering.

Regards, Iwinder

a reply to: thesmokingman

But doesn't the media overblow everything? I've heard that complaint more times than I can count on here and pretty much everywhere. Is that your complaint, I thought we were talking about swine flu vs Ebola? I'm pretty sure that back in 2009 when the swine flu started the media did exactly the same thing, i ghink It's up to the individual if they choose to watch or change the channel/ click on something else. Personally I'm happy with how much I have learned about Ebola in this forum, I knew nothing before and now consider myself more informed. I'm not locking my doors and hiding under a carpet. I guessi don't really get your point either??

a reply to: marg6043

We have two lucky people who survived with care, and of the rest, one of the survivors was able to donate blood to three of them, passing on antibodies. Sacra recovered and we don't know for sure how Mukpo is. Pham is still early in the progression of the disease.

Odds are that all of these individuals had type A blood or could receive type A. Duncan likely had type O. Brantly offered to donate to Duncan too, but they were not compatible. I'm not sure what's up with Writebol who was treated at the same time as Brantly.

It seems at the moment that antibody serum is the most effective thing to use.

originally posted by: badgerprints

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: thesmokingman
Ebola since the start of the outbreak in December 2013: 8,914 total cases-4,447 deaths. That is in 10 months.
2009 swine flu pandemic;(just in America mind you)59,000,000 cases-12,000 deaths in the same amount of time pretty much.

Quick question:

So the Swine Flu was way worse ... which disease would you rather have if you had to get one?

Swine flu had a death rate of roughly two, one thousandths, of one percent.

One in 4900 died.

So far with ebola, 4000 of 8000 have died.

Level of severity is a little different.

Your math is correct, however you must take into account the total number of people that were affected. Sure, ebola may be a worse death, I dont know, but it is not spread nearly as easy meaning that it affects fewer people. Also keep in mind, the numbers for that 2009 swine flu, were JUST in America alone. So again, ebola MAY be a higher mortality rate, but it is not and has not spread nearly as fast or easily as swine flu did.

a reply to: ketsuko

Thanks for the information, but I have been keeping on top of the development with Pham and those that have survived the virus.

originally posted by: thesmokingman
a reply to: Iwinder

Are you going to tell me what my intentions are with this thread? I have been waiting. So far, just seems like your here to troll.

I resent the above statement but call me what you will if that makes you any better.
In six years your the second member to call me that without justification.
No big deal but please keep your emotions in check.....its a good discussion lets not bring sewage into it.

Regards, Iwinder

originally posted by: thesmokingman

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: thesmokingman
Ebola since the start of the outbreak in December 2013: 8,914 total cases-4,447 deaths. That is in 10 months.
2009 swine flu pandemic;(just in America mind you)59,000,000 cases-12,000 deaths in the same amount of time pretty much.

Quick question:

So the Swine Flu was way worse ... which disease would you rather have if you had to get one?

Which would you rather have? AIDS or Cancer? Kind of a stupid question is it not?

It was a legitimate question.
You are avoiding the point.

The question is about level of severity.
You don't want to admit to the fact that Ebola has a fatality percentage about 25,000 times as high as swine flu.

So you dissemble about unrelated issues and call someone else stupid?

You sabotage your own credibility in the argument.

a reply to: thesmokingman

No, so far it hasn't, but it's also not done, either.

I thought it would be done months ago, but it seems to be the energizer bunny of plagues and keeps chugging along.

I don't think you can start comparing it to other plagues until it's actually done.

originally posted by: Iwinder

originally posted by: thesmokingman
a reply to: Iwinder

Are you going to tell me what my intentions are with this thread? I have been waiting. So far, just seems like your here to troll.

I resent the above statement but call me what you will if that makes you any better.
In six years your the second member to call me that without justification.
No big deal but please keep your emotions in check.....its a good discussion lets not bring sewage into it.

Regards, Iwinder

I was simply asking you to clarify what my intentions with this thread were. You did not answer, but continued on with nothing meaningful to add to the thread. That being said, my deepest apologies. Lets keep it civil. Now, will you answer my question? What are my intentions with this thread?

originally posted by: thesmokingman

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: thesmokingman
Ebola since the start of the outbreak in December 2013: 8,914 total cases-4,447 deaths. That is in 10 months.
2009 swine flu pandemic;(just in America mind you)59,000,000 cases-12,000 deaths in the same amount of time pretty much.

Quick question:

So the Swine Flu was way worse ... which disease would you rather have if you had to get one?

Which would you rather have? AIDS or Cancer? Kind of a stupid question is it not?

You honestly asked me that?

Let's think for a second ... one can be cured (depending of course on variety and how soon you diagnose it) and that other cannot.

Now, I answered you. You answer me.

Which one?

Ebola which is about 50 to 70% lethal or the flu which generally kills 1 in roughly 300,000 cases in the average year.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: thesmokingman

No, so far it hasn't, but it's also not done, either.

I thought it would be done months ago, but it seems to be the energizer bunny of plagues and keeps chugging along.

I don't think you can start comparing it to other plagues until it's actually done.

There have been ebola outbreaks before. It is not a new virus. This current outbreak originally started in December 2013. That is TEN months ago. Saying we will have to wait and see when its done, is like saying that we will have to see where AIDS is when its done. Point being, in the last ten months, 8,000 cases, 4,000 deaths.

originally posted by: thesmokingman

Your math is correct, however you must take into account the total number of people that were affected.

That point won't matter much until the ebola present outbreak ends.

Lives are being lost at the flip of a coin and the system is dropping the ball.
The swine flu claimed 12000 after 59 million when it was finished.

Ebola has claimed 4000 of 8000 and it is just getting started.

Hopefully it will be stopped cold and we will stop losing one of every two victims but that's not likely any time soon.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: thesmokingman

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: thesmokingman
Ebola since the start of the outbreak in December 2013: 8,914 total cases-4,447 deaths. That is in 10 months.
2009 swine flu pandemic;(just in America mind you)59,000,000 cases-12,000 deaths in the same amount of time pretty much.

Quick question:

So the Swine Flu was way worse ... which disease would you rather have if you had to get one?

Which would you rather have? AIDS or Cancer? Kind of a stupid question is it not?

You honestly asked me that?

Let's think for a second ... one can be cured (depending of course on variety and how soon you diagnose it) and that other cannot.

Now, I answered you. You answer me.

Which one?

Ebola which is about 50 to 70% lethal or the flu which generally kills 1 in roughly 300,000 cases in the average year.

Same could be said with ebola, as far as being cured as well. EVERY american that contracted the virus, or aid worker that contracted the virus, or how many nurses that contracted the virus, has been cured have they not? So far this seems to be a disease that only affects Africans as far as death goes. Now, fair enough, I pick swine flu.

That being said, my deepest apologies. Lets keep it civil. Now, will you answer my question? What are my intentions with this thread?

a reply to: thesmokingman

apologies accepted and thank you, I cannot answer what your intentions are with this thread but I will restate that IMHO it is to detract from the Ebola issue and downplay it.

That is my opinion as I am not a mind reader, however there has been a proficient amount of "news articles"
pertaining to diseases and viruses that are proffered to be worse than Ebola on the net these past few days.

The topic of the day here on ATS is Ebola and it now has its own forum, I think that says something in my opinion only.

Regards, Iwinder

ETA I am sorry I was wrong the Ebola issue does not have it's own Forum.
Regards, Iwinder

originally posted by: badgerprints

originally posted by: thesmokingman

Your math is correct, however you must take into account the total number of people that were affected.

That point won't matter much until the ebola present outbreak ends.

Lives are being lost at the flip of a coin and the system is dropping the ball.
The swine flu claimed 12000 after 59 million when it was finished.

Ebola has claimed 4000 of 8000 and it is just getting started.

Hopefully it will be stopped cold and we will stop losing one of every two victims but that's not likely any time soon.

Can you explain how past Ebola outbreaks were stopped/contained?

originally posted by: Iwinder

That being said, my deepest apologies. Lets keep it civil. Now, will you answer my question? What are my intentions with this thread?

a reply to: thesmokingman

apologies accepted and thank you, I cannot answer what your intentions are with this thread but I will restate that IMHO it is to detract from the Ebola issue and downplay it.

That is my opinion as I am not a mind reader, however there has been a proficient amount of "news articles"
pertaining to diseases and viruses that are proffered to be worse than Ebola on the net these past few days.

The topic of the day here on ATS is Ebola and it now has its own forum, I think that says something in my opinion only.

Regards, Iwinder

In no way would I benefit from downplaying the virus. I will admit that in my opinion, it is not nearly as bad as we are being led to believe. The virus itself may be, but not the spread. Also, yes, you are right. At the end of the day, it is just opinion. I never claimed to be a scientist, I just presented numbers to back up the claim that it is/has not spread like the MSM has led us to believe. Also, the fact that there have been ebola outbreaks before in West Africa. Why NOW, and not until NOW, has it spread to several other countries?

originally posted by: thesmokingman
So the Swine Flu pandemic of 2009, was by the numbers worse than ebola is. Have a look at the numbers.

The 2009 flu pandemic in the United States was a pandemic experienced in the United States of a novel strain of the Influenza A/H1N1 virus, commonly referred to as 'swine flu', that began in the spring of 2009. The virus had spread to the US from an outbreak in Mexico.[117]
As of mid-March 2010, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that about 59 million Americans contracted the H1N1 virus, 265,000 were hospitalized as a result, and 12,000 died.[118]

Now I know they say the death rate is higher for ebola, but this was a huge amount of deaths for a flu virus. And ebola is harder to catch than the common flu. All I have seen so far is a lot of Africans dead, and promises of a million cases by 2015, and a whole lot of fear mongering by the MSM. en.wikipedia.org...
I dont know about you, but the 2009 swine flu pandemic seemed a lot deadlier did it not? With the lack of travel restriction in place, and the fact that in the last month, only 2 people on american soil have tested positive, this does not seem to be anything but MSM propaganda to me.
I remember during the pandemic, people around the world were walking around wearing surgical masks, and it seemed like a lot more people were genuinely more concerned than they are now. I dont know, the numbers do not lie. Even if you throw all the deaths in Africa, which is about 4,000 this year, that is only a third..plus I have one more question...I keep hearing 1.4 million cases by jan. 2015. How could they claim that it is that far out of control when there is so much aid and medical efforts going on in Africa right now? Shouldnt the cases be going down? I mean think about it, three full weeks, in america and only TWO reported cases? Just doesnt sit right with me.

Huge nadds going here... ATS likes its doom porn and you trying to mess up the notion that Ebola isn't the doom of mankind is going to upset some folk....



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Ebola is a blimp in the radar. It will be a super flu or polio that gets us. Not this crap.

Much ado about nothing here about ebola. It seems like 50% of the people think there is an ebola conspiracy. We are mixing up conspiracy with government incompetence people.

LOOOOLLLLL.... 58 replys and 4 flags... that should tell you what you are up against man. I decided about 3 weeks ago to just sit back... read... and laugh.


You cannot change the hysteria.