Swine Flu Pandemic in 2009 was WAY worse than Ebola now....Proof right here!! The numbers don't lie

a reply to: lakesidepark

, darn you good, you got me there, you are right, what can I say, with the carbon taxes coming soon, all those body bags and coffin cremations with an infectious diseases released into the air the profiteers will find a way to charge more taxes.

a reply to: marg6043

thank you, thank you, bows, sticks cup out and rattles spare change...


you did pick swine flu right?

I completely recommend swine flu, its fairly survivable but wicked....its better than black widow spiders (tried those, recommend getting bit by a very little one for a few weeks off of work and funny swelling places, but no widows left behind so still survivable), final recommendations still outstanding on everything else...

I still don't have a recommendation on that ebola stuff, but from what I'm hearing I'd prefer not to try it at all.

Can't TPTB come up with something not so miserable or are they just like that?

a reply to: ArmyOfNobunaga


"Nigeria stamped it out..."

Exactly.
Nigeria faced it and dealt with it in a realistic fashion.
So far, Nigeria is the only country that's actually taken the proper steps in time.
The rest have been too little or too late.

originally posted by: Iwinder
I don't quite get the point of this thread ?
Is it to just calm the public and erase any fears or at least lessen them?
If so the problem with that is everyone here on ATS has a knowledge that other people don't posses and that is
never never trust government stats when there is a potential for disaster.

I check the news sites daily and quite frequently and the most common theme right now is one of two.
The first one is that this is a serious serious problem and we are not being told the whole story.
The second one is many news sites are now listing the top viruses/diseases that are worse than
Ebola.
Now right or wrong why are we constantly being swamped with data about other diseases when the topic of the day
Is Ebola and nothing else.




I could not give a crap about the flu or any other ailment at this time and I would appreciate it
if certain news sites would stop trying to mis-direct our attention to other matters that have nothing
to do with the present situation/ possibly crisis with the Ebola virus.

Regards, Iwinder

WELL SAID.
I find that people, even us veteran ATSers, are always trying to diffuse an accutely threatening situation.
It's ok; I understand what that's all about. It's a defensive mechanism that we learn when we are infants.

This IS a threatening situation, if only for the exponential acceleration of the rabid contagiousnmess of this virus.
What I hate the most is when people diverge into comparisons with other 'statistics' in history', just in order to diffuse their own fear about the dangers at hand.

Really, shame on those who compare AIDS and FLU statistics to this new devastating pandemic.
We can easily see that this contagion is out of everybody's control, the world over.
When the advance of a disease, and death thereof, are measured in exponential figures, and the so called 'medical authorities' # up and mismanage the control of a deadly disease that rots the very guts of a human being, you should be forewarned that you don't mess around with , nor take on a complacent attitude towards this threat.

Panic is clearly not in order here. But personal responsibility IS.
We all need to rearrange our life plans, to encompass reasonable common sense in the face of a mortal threat.
Lessen the threat to yourself, family and friends by avoiding the elements that could further the spread of this killer.
Do it quietly and sensibly.
Deny ignorance and be responsible for your own actions.
It matters and it could make a difference to how this evolves in the world.

Looking 'cool' is NOT in order here. Don't play with fire, for this is indeed a wildfire that's gone out of control.

originally posted by: marg6043
In 60 days the first vaccine will be available, already been predicted to be for human use in January of 2015.

Maybe, They been working on it for 13 years so will it be widely available in a few months? I'm not talking America, I'm talking Africa and if this went to China or even worst India we are talking a decrease in population, first time in like 12,000 years....

If people are not nervous as hell that the very VERY first case of local Ebola resulted in a caregiver becoming infected, something is wrong with you. That is batting 0. 100% failure. And the very first victim resulted in death, we'll see how the poor nurse fares.

Incredibly dangerous virus.. no need to panic, but there should be a LOT of concern.

To put it bluntly - by the time this particular virus reaches a point where everyone is panicking because they are worried about our ability to contain it, it will be far too late. The time to worry about a 70% mortality-rate virus is NOW.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Xtrozero

In 60 days the first vaccine will be available, already been predicted to be for human use in January of 2015.

If by available, you mean to the 10 to 20 max lottery winners who are deemed worth of its use, then you are correct. And then every month after that another 10 to 20 can have their chance at the Showcase Showdown!!

The minuscule amount of vaccine that will be around anytime soon is rather laughable.

The doses used to treat the American aid workers were produced in tobacco leaves at a facility in Owensboro, Ky., that is owned by Reynolds American, the tobacco company. That facility has now resumed production, but the federal official said it was expected to produce only about 10 to 20 treatment courses by the end of the year, and the same amount every month going forward.

Source...

How can you claim swine flu was worse than the current ebola outbreak when this ebola outbreak has just started?

It is still early days, we don't know what the death toll will reach but I can assure you it will exceed the swine flu. I guess just because you believe it won't come knocking on your own door within your own neighbourhood its not of concern.

Having a go at other members, calling them insane (indirectly by calling yourself and others that agree with you sane) is a little off to be fair.

I see little scaremongering and doom porn chasers but valid questioning, concern and discussion on issues relating to this virus and what we are told by the powers that be.

The fact is we don't fully understand the truth yet, you shouldn't have a go at people for seeking truth and if indeed this will have a direct impact on us as individuals.

I do hate the 'nothing to see here, move along' attitude some people have.

originally posted by: ProleUK
How can you claim swine flu was worse than the current ebola outbreak when this ebola outbreak has just started?

It is still early days, we don't know what the death toll will reach but I can assure you it will exceed the swine flu. I guess just because you believe it won't come knocking on your own door within your own neighbourhood its not of concern.

Having a go at other members, calling them insane (indirectly by calling yourself and others that agree with you sane) is a little off to be fair.

I see little scaremongering and doom porn chasers but valid questioning, concern and discussion on issues relating to this virus and what we are told by the powers that be.

The fact is we don't fully understand the truth yet, you shouldn't have a go at people for seeking truth and if indeed this will have a direct impact on us as individuals.

I do hate the 'nothing to see here, move along' attitude some people have.

Read the thread again! This latest ebola outbreak started in DECEMBER 2013!!! That is already longer than the swine flu took to reach those numbers!!!

a reply to: ProleUK

you shouldn't have a go at people for seeking truth

So then please dont stand in the way of MY search for the truth.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I tell you, somethingis going on but we are now soo worry about the spread of ebola do to incompetence that some are not watching the news on the vaccine front.

Already the DOD is testing on DOD personnel that are deployed in Liberia, Glaxosmith is behind the vaccine, then we have the Canadian company that will boots the ZMapp production by the end of the year, with this company is all about money, they are small but their serum has been already tested in humans with success.

Is a third vaccine in production in Texas that one is also to be ready by Jan.

We also have Russian with three vaccines, and japan with Fuji vaccine that they claim is ready for humans.

the problem why is not vaccine as today, well, trials, errors, money, and property rights dispute, US wants the rights first

Meanwhile Africa suffers and people are dying.

a reply to: thesmokingman

I tell you my friend, the incompetence of the American health care system is incredible, now they have another nurse infected from the same hospital and she was allowed to travel to another state while sick.

I tell you is this is not an agenda going on I have to say that our system of government in this nation has failed us miserably.

originally posted by: rockpaperhammock

the difference is, as you mentioned, the lethality of it.....ebola kills everyone...including healthy people...

This is simply not true. Ebola does not kill everyone. Not this strain of Ebola, anyway. The really bad strain is somewhere in the 10% survival rate. This one is quite survivable as demonstrated by people surviving it currently.

originally posted by: usernameconspiracy

originally posted by: rockpaperhammock

the difference is, as you mentioned, the lethality of it.....ebola kills everyone...including healthy people...

This is simply not true. Ebola does not kill everyone. Not this strain of Ebola, anyway. The really bad strain is somewhere in the 10% survival rate. This one is quite survivable as demonstrated by people surviving it currently.

ok i was exaggerating hope you feel better about yourself...90% is almost everyone and this current strand is at 70% although I think more developed countries would fair better....my point being you cant really compare the two

originally posted by: marg6043
the problem why is not vaccine as today, well, trials, errors, money, and property rights dispute, US wants the rights first
Meanwhile Africa suffers and people are dying.

No one gives a crap about Africa until million's die... And then it is third page news.. that is the sad truth.

...slow and steady wins the race!

a reply to: thesmokingman

The mortality rate is so very different, also flu tends to kill off the already weak rather than the healthy.

a reply to: thesmokingman

Having a go at people for seeking the truth wasn't a dig at your thread or your opinions, it was more to do with your attitude to those that don't agree with you.