Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

a reply to: _Del_Post by Erno86 on another thread, with his permission, here:
You're welcome, tetra50

I further speculate [based on my own eyewitness nighttime observation of a possible alternate two color power phase of a foofighter in 1976, approx. 40 miles west of Washington D.C.] --- That the alien starship has at least two aerial power color phases while operating in our atmosphere --- One...the high power bluish-white plasma phase [with approx. speeds above 10,000 mph, rectangle shaped, the size of very large jet airliner --- The other low power phase.. is a reddish-orange [approx. 700 feet in diameter, with a low speed of approx. 30 mph] ball of fusion plasma; used for take-offs/landings and for possible offensive/defensive OP's.

The photon receptor --- installed on the bottom hull of the starship --- funnels the starlight photons [while the starship is in outer space], the self-generated plasma photons [in atmosphere's that lack starlight], towards the micro-mini black hole propulsion unit. The bottom hull of the starship houses the contained BH [less than the size of an atom, weighing less than 600,000 tons] along with a thruster installed somewhere on the outer bottom hull rim of the saucer; including top hull/bottom hull vertical thrusters.

The upper hull of the saucer has a rotational capability, that encapsulates the outer rim of the bottom hull. The outlet thruster side ports are on on the upper hull for speed vector origins and vertical top/bottom thrusters for elevation vectors.

The photon receptor inlet port is closed --- the upper hall rotates the thruster outlet port towards the opposite direction it wants to go --- the photon receptor inlet port is re-opened...for 90, 45, etc, etc degree turns; including instant stops and starts.

A post of mine from the sentient plasma thread that applies here, as well. We are experiencing quite a bit of overlap again. Yogi was talking about this reality being a plasma holographic simulation, accompanied by a utuby. He ended with this: "In fact, just another little thought, maybe what we call Stargates are actually easy or easier access points or backdoors into the Hologram."

Hey Yogi, I didn't watch your utuby, but I know exactly what you're talking about, and have somewhat come to the same conclusion. You need to post this on the Black Triangle thread, if you would, where Bybyots is saying by virtue of the Condign Report, that for one thing, the plasma is def. not sentient. My opinion is that some is and some is not. It's never that simple, reallly.
Anyway, it would seem that info belongs here, as that's the whole thread op.

Now, one thing I postulated over on that thread was about the geomagnetic grid,and the naturally occurring declinations, where the gravitational forces get weaker, or close to 0 as the line of energy aligns closer to north.
There are many sightings over L.A. Was wondering if the leyline or declination points in the geomagnetic expression or let's say grid, between us and the ionosphere over L.A. had anything to do with the multitude of black triangle sightings, by virture of their use of perhaps EM thrust propulsion tech…..

The thing is it may be important, these declinations, but for a different reason. As it turns out, the leylines coalesce in such a way over L.A. that there may be less of a grid in place. This geomagnetic grid is all important to your theory here, bc it's used to project the holographic reality through the plasma all around us. The thing is L.A. may be some kind of "portal," if you will, exactly bc of the declinations, bc the simulation would be weaker, have less power there since the geomagnetic and quantum electrodynamic forces would be at their weakest points. Therefore, we would be able to be reached by anything living outside and apart from this simulation there, and be able, perhaps, to slip this mortal coil around our necks here…..

I'm all about freedom. Who here isn't?

a reply to: Bybyots
If you intend a scientific approach, you cannot base your entire argument on one source or one report. It quickly becomes a fallacy of logic.

When I saw what was in it I grabbed for it quickly to smash the "living plasma" bull#.

Except that's a very strong statement, and you may be wrong. Some plasma may be, and may not. There are science perspectives that the universe is, indeed, filled with plasma and a living thing, an organism on the macro scale…..

American quantum physicist David Bohm was perhaps the first to realize that seas of electrons making up plasma environments act in a manner that might be described as cell-like in behaviour, in other words they mimicked the actions of cellular life. He posited that some form of proto intelligence existing under normal circumstances in a deeper level of reality might be able to interpenetrate plasma environments for the duration of their existence. Such ideas have been examined more closely in recent years by plasma physicists such as Vadim N. Tsytovich of the General Physics Institute at the Russian Academy of Science in Moscow, working alongside colleagues from the Max Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics in Garching, Germany, and the University of Sydney, Australia. Tsytovich is convinced that cell-like life forms existing in plasma environments might have helped kick start life on this planet, or that it might exist quite separate to biological life. In fact, he proposes that plasma life might exist in space, and that SETI like initiatives might pay better dividends if they were to search for signs of intelligence within the plasma environments that make up as much as 95 percent of the universe as we know it.

www.andrewcollins.com...

Regards,
tetra

a reply to: MystikMushroom
I can do that with a potato chip, too….
I can even have none at all.

Mysterious Universe
Some more on plasma life forms possible, including reports of sightings from an astronaut who observed something like this:

Generally, the idea of an atmospheric beast in the present context would involve a creature which either weighs less than air in a given atmosphere, or which may be capable of flying by some other means of wingless propulsion. With regard to research into the unexplained, one of the pioneering ufologists to take this approach with the study of unidentified flying craft was Trevor James Constable, a writer and researcher who outlined his ideas in the 1975 book The Cosmic Pulse of Life (somewhat sadly, I interviewed Constable a few years ago, and upon mentioning that I had obtained a copy of this book, he joked with me, “so you were the one who bought a copy!”) Constable’s idea of “critters” (photographs of which can be seen by clicking here) dealt with amoeba-like creatures that existed in Earth’s upper atmosphere, and which occasionally fed on livestock and other creatures, hence seeking to explain some reports of animal mutilations that occur in conjunction with UFO sightings.
As strange as such an idea may sound at first, even Carl Sagan had discussed balloon-like aliens that might be capable of existing in the atmospheres of distant gas giants the likes of Jupiter. Popular fiction writers like Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and Ray Bradbury have dealt with such creatures as well, but since the majority of these sources for the lore surrounding jellyfish-like or amoebic creatures drifting around in the sky stems from either fiction or speculative science, many would argue that more fringe notions of the existence of such creatures were actually inspired by such works.
Nonetheless, during a conversation with a fellow researcher I had a few years ago, he divulged that during a conversation with a NASA astronaut who had worked with the space program years ago (who also asked to remain anonymous), his contact mentioned projects where he and others had observed strange “energetic forms” while monitoring spacewalks using visual apparatus that heightened visibility in the infrared range. Though my contact said the astronaut would not refer to the objects as “UFOs”, he did mention that questions had arisen over whether they might be some form of energetic life. Furthermore, studies performed by NASA have also suggested the notion that plasma-based lifeforms might even come to exist in the vacuum of space.

originally posted by: Bybyots
You didn't.

I discovered it by Googling "Black Triangles".

When I saw what was in it I grabbed for it quickly to smash the "living plasma" bull#.

Now I am mining it.

Apparently I did on this page link, because the next thing you say is:

Wow, guys and gals: The Condign Report.

I had no idea.

That's why I think you are rushing to conclusions that it's the near complete answer. You haven't had time for it to simmer yet. I get excited about it, too, don't get me wrong, but I see it as holding some answers but not the answer.

IsaacKoi has commented on some issues with it that have to be taken into consideration. I know you read that thread because you linked it.

a reply to: Bybyots

And yeah, I agree, if somehow folks find themselves content to believe that it is just "nuts and bolts", they will totally miss yet another opportunity to underdstand what is happening between us and this phenomenon which has become one of our oldest companions.

I dont get it.... i read what u told me on PC.... so you say it is not sentient plasma, its not nuts n bolts... then what the hell is it?
Or are you of the assumption that people are hallucinating?

Cant anyone around here give a straight answer... lol

This plasma physics guy, Bybyots, is fascinating. His name is V.N. Tsytovich, and he wrote a book called, "Elementary Physics of Complex Plasmas" and another called "Plasma Astrophysics." He's a plasma physicist. He introduces the notion that scientific space dust, or inorganic dust displays living qualities, as does plasma. Lots of good stuff by him about this very notion. He says it is proof of a new paradigm, just not quite how we think of it, but on the submicro scale, being seen.

V. N. Tsytovich, another scientist based at the Russian Academy of Science, has shown how plasmas can self-organize when exposed to electrical charge. Tsytovich has developed his observations into a theory of what he calls inorganic life. The principal location of these is in the helical dust structures that have been seen to form around stars and in interstellar space.

In a gravity-free environment, these plasma particles bead together to form string-like filaments, which will then twist into helix-shaped strands closely resembling DNA. These structures are electrically charged and are attracted to each other. They are able to “feed” by assimilating other less-organized plasmas through their boundary walls. They can “reproduce” by amoeba-like splitting, and each of the plasma's offspring retains the capacity for self-organizing, growth, and further reproduction. According to Tsytovich, “they are autonomous, they reproduce, and they evolve,” behavior fulfilling enough criteria, in his opinion, to be considered a form of life.

Was he in the Condign Report? Maybe he was. I'll do some mining of my own there, later.

I am presenting something here really physics oriented, about the EM field theory and photon behavior, but the implications that there is energy to be tapped through the EM field may be glimpsed here, as to a propulsion system. Also though, time is mentioned:

. . . On the scalar waves: With additional research they have become a bit more complicated. First, if one reinterprets Whittaker's 1903 decomposition of the scalar potential, it is a harmonic set of bidirectional longitudinal phase conjugate EM wavepairs. Interestingly, at least prior to observation (reaction with charged matter), one of his bidirectional phase conjugate longitudinal wavepairs --- in 4-space --- would seem to be a paired set of waves, but consisting of (1) a longitudinal EM wave on the time axis (which is a time-polarized EM wave) and (2) a longitudinal EM wave in 3-space.

This would then be consistent with quantum field theory, where (in photon terms) the time-polarized (scalar) photon combined with the longitudinal photon is observable as the instantaneous scalar potential. Neither the scalar photon nor the longitudinal photon is individually observable.

So it appears that what I called "scalar waves" back in 1983 is indeed such a revised Whittaker pair, which is slightly different from Whittaker's original interpretation.

Evans et al. have also published several papers dealing with the Whittaker work, one of which shows that scalar interferometry does indeed produce "ordinary" transverse EM waves as we assumed in the late 1970s. That paper is in the group of 60 AIAS papers by M.W. Evans et al., comprising the Journal of New Energy, 4(3), Special Issue, Winter 1999.

I hope you enjoy the Energy from the Vacuum book and find it useful.

www.cheniere.org...

This may be a glimpse into the idea space dog proposed about bending time to "slip" between dimensional realities or timelines, as well.

Don't worry…I asked Erno86, before posting. This was another post of his on another thread then either of the two already mentioned that just fascinates me….

I tend to disbelieve in the possibility of sentient plasma entities. My hypothesis...is that the some balls of light --- commonly referred too as "foofighters" --- are alien starships that are each encased in a magnetically controlled fusion plasma shield.

Besides having the ability for the starship to computer control this plasma, with two offboard magnetic shields surrounding the starship --- one to protect the starship from the fusion plasma ---- the other to encase the plasma with another [outer] magnetic shield. Likewise...the starship's outer magnetic shield can be computer controlled, so as too make the plasma effective for offensive and defensive OP's.

When the starship is under power for flight in areas that lack starlight, the starship must produce it's own photons [as in fusion plasma] in order to feed the micro-mini black hole propulsion unit, that is installed onboard the starship itself.

With just a small amount of seawater stored onboard --- the starship injects a small amount of seawater between the two magnetic shields --- and with extreme magnetic pressure...the fusion process is generated, with sustainable power generation from the plasma as more seawater is injected. The rotation of the starship...induces currents in the plasma, that makes it electrically charged.

And I found this, as well, from the University of Berlin, about pilots flying by controlling the plane with their consciousness….well, almost:

The pilot is wearing a white cap with myriad attached cables. His gaze is concentrated on the runway ahead of him. All of a sudden the control stick starts to move, as if by magic. The airplane banks and then approaches straight on towards the runway. The position of the plane is corrected time and again until the landing gear gently touches down. During the entire maneuver the pilot touches neither pedals nor controls.

This is not a scene from a science fiction movie, but rather the rendition of a test at the Institute for Flight System Dynamics of the Technische Universität München (TUM). Scientists working for Professor Florian Holzapfel are researching ways in which brain controlled flight might work in the EU-funded project "Brainflight".

Some of these ideas are pure science fiction and speculation, and some of them are pure physics and some, still yet, compel us as we watch them happen before us, like this….and I usually don't post anything positive about brain/machine interface, but all these things seem to verify that much is yet possible that we think not.

The scientists have logged their first breakthrough: They succeeded in demonstrating that brain-controlled flight is indeed possible – with amazing precision. Seven subjects took part in the flight simulator tests. They had varying levels of flight experience, including one person without any practical cockpit experience whatsoever. The accuracy with which the test subjects stayed on course by merely thinking commands would have sufficed, in part, to fulfill the requirements of a flying license test. "One of the subjects was able to follow eight out of ten target headings with a deviation of only 10 degrees," reports Fricke. Several of the subjects also managed the landing approach under poor visibility. One test pilot even landed within only few meters of the centerline.

The TU München scientists are now focusing in particular on the question of how the requirements for the control system and flight dynamics need to be altered to accommodate the new control method. Normally, pilots feel resistance in steering and must exert significant force when the loads induced on the aircraft become too large. This feedback is missing when using brain control. The researchers are thus looking for alternative methods of feedback to signal when the envelope is pushed too hard, for example.

The last bit here explains how the brain/machine interface and software to recognize the electrical impulses firing off the commands and translate them to the plane:

In order for humans and machines to communicate, brain waves of the pilots are measured using electroencephalography (EEG) electrodes connected to a cap. An algorithm developed by scientists from Team PhyPA (Physiological Parameters for Adaptation) of the Technische Universität Berlin allows the program to decipher electrical potentials and convert them into useful control commands.

Only the very clearly defined electrical brain impulses required for control are recognized by the brain-computer interface. "This is pure signal processing," emphasizes Fricke. Mind reading is not possible.

Oh and by the way, I saw what I saw, and it wasn't a temporal lobe lability seizure or pre-seizure state or some kind of fugue state or induced hallucination, or a holograph, as I felt the wind blow my hair back gently as it moved in and hovered over me, showing off the impressive array of light on the bottom. It was friggin HUGE. It, or whomever flew it, had a definitive presence that could be felt, intuited, it moved you.

It was one of the most incredible things I ever experienced…..
It happened more than once. I also have a memory of being on one…but this is tricky for me, which I can't explain right now. I will believe and know till kingdom come that it was the most impressive flying thing I'd ever witnessed. It moved you to tears, and then made you laugh. You were exalted by the sight of it, and then moved at what it may mean for humankind, everywhere……

Here's hoping.

a reply to: tetra50
Have you written of this in another post?
I would love to consider your recounting.
Thanks.

a reply to: The GUT

Apparently I did on this page link, because the next thing you say is:

Linking the entire thread really doesn't clear that up, TG. I had never heard of Project Condign from you directly, and I don't see a post of yours that refers to it on that thread previous to mine.

I don't necessarily require very much simmer-time, TG, I didn't come as a stranger to the fields of study referred to throughout PC's UAP report.

We have yet to see how much the report answers. Unfortunately, it touches on subjects that certain folks are not able to process because they can't get around it meaning mental-illness to them. It's unfortunate because what PC is pointing to is a very profound human experience that creates religions and builds nations.

Sure, I have read IssacKoi's thread, it's probably some of the best stuff I have read on the subject anywhere. The general idea amongst those whose reviews are being reposted and turned to shareable .pdfs is that nothing was really learned from the report that hadn't already been learned except that the MOD had, indeed, paid for the research to be done and therefore could be seen as having "an interest" in the subject.

I realize that he makes it very clear that PC/UAPoUKDR should not be taken seriously because the "entire" UFO community had unanimously agreed that there is no point in looking any further in to the possibility that UFOs could be plasma-related years ago.

There's a problem there, though, in that, "Plasmas are UFOs", is not what the report is saying.

The report is clearly saying that it is an interaction, a coupling, between the naturally produced, energized plasma and its electromagnetic feild, and the electromagnetic field found in the human brain especially in the temporal lobes.

I don't think that was in there when they poo pooed plasmas all those years ago.

I have been thinking lately along the lines of our reality being a programmed Hologram, a Plasma Hologram. If it is then who is programing it ? If it was say the elusive Grey Aliens then they could theoretically enter the Hologram at any point, not just that but also as anything i.e shape shifting. When they enter the Hologram we may see some Plasma displacement while the Holographic image is being reprogrammed. This would mean that there is nothing mysterious or spiritual about the process, merely technological.

PLASMA HOLOGRAM TECHNOLOGY



In fact, just another little thought, maybe what we call Stargates are actually easy or easier access points or backdoors into the Hologram.

a reply to: Bybyots
Well, I don't know bout you, Bybyots, but are repeatable physics observations and tests that easily dismissed? I think I might consider Dr.Tsytovich's research to have a little more weight than others who haven't done the research. With all due respect, I've spent quite some time reading his more current abstracts from study being published on Wiley Libraries, which is a very science related credible source for the publishing of papers from research, and it appears pretty ground breaking.

Life on earth is organic. It is composed of organic molecules, which are simply the compounds of carbon, excluding carbonates and carbon dioxide. The idea that particles of inorganic dust may take on a life of their own is nothing short of alien, going beyond the silicon-based life forms favoured by some science fiction stories.

Now, an international team has discovered that under the right conditions, particles of inorganic dust can become organised into helical structures. These structures can then interact with each other in ways that are usually associated with organic compounds and life itself.

V.N. Tsytovich of the General Physics Institute, Russian Academy of Science, in Moscow, working with colleagues there and at the Max-Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics in Garching, Germany and the University of Sydney, Australia, has studied the behaviour of complex mixtures of inorganic materials in a plasma. Plasma is essentially the fourth state of matter beyond solid, liquid and gas, in which electrons are torn from atoms leaving behind a miasma of charged particles.

Until now, physicists assumed that there could be little organisation in such a cloud of particles. However, Tsytovich and his colleagues demonstrated, using a computer model of molecular dynamics, that particles in a plasma can undergo self-organization as electronic charges become separated and the plasma becomes polarized. This effect results in microscopic strands of solid particles that twist into corkscrew shapes, or helical structures. These helical strands are themselves electronically charged and are attracted to each other.

Quite bizarrely, not only do these helical strands interact in a counterintuitive way in which like can attract like, but they also undergo changes that are normally associated with biological molecules, such as DNA and proteins, say the researchers. They can, for instance, divide, or bifurcate, to form two copies of the original structure. These new structures can also interact to induce changes in their neighbours and they can even evolve into yet more structures as less stable ones break down, leaving behind only the fittest structures in the plasma.

So, could helical clusters formed from interstellar dust be somehow alive? "These complex, self-organized plasma structures exhibit all the necessary properties to qualify them as candidates for inorganic living matter," says Tsytovich, "they are autonomous, they reproduce and they evolve".

This research is also backed up, interestingly, on the ground, so to speak, by the recent discovery of plants using "microtubule" structures in their makeup to take the "quantum walk" in their path for photosynthesis, which implies consciousness of some sort or another….

It's being called the quantum consciousness that may, in fact, be present in a great deal of organic and inorganic matter around here.

I think Dr. Tsytovich's research points to the idea that we must redefine, in fact, the rules for what we consider living matter, whether it's organic or inorganic. It apparently depends on the conditions/state, as these inorganic structures are exhibiting life in every other way and actual behavior.

So, as I said earlier, perhaps sometimes, with current definitions of "life," it may be that sometimes the plasma is sentient and sometimes it isn't. Perhaps it is a carrier or host for something else, injected, somehow, into it, or perhaps it is all about the current "state" it's in. Perhaps it's both. Things can certainly be that complex.
I see, here, we may be in something of the same place:

The report is clearly saying that it is an interaction, a coupling, between the naturally produced, energized plasma and its electromagnetic feild, and the electromagnetic field found in the human brain especially in the temporal lobes.

I don't think that was in there when they poo pooed plasmas all those years ago.

Ah, yes, I remember now. It went something like this on the other thread:

Me:
...and the properties of the electromagnetic field are the canvas it's created on, giving an analogy, sentience is clearly possible, though it is likely artificiallly produced in the plasma.

Bybyots:
This I don't agree with, but I think that it's interesting that you used the canvas analogy; art imitating life, life imitating art.

I'll split the difference with you: the field in the human brain and the field from the plasma couple to form a temporary living system that is transient and no longer exists once information has been exchanged. Due to something like that represented by the Kindling Model, the human half then becomes more susceptible to these "couplings".

P.S. "Coupling" is how the Condign Report refers to this phenomenon that exists between human and "Buoyant Plasma Formation".

a reply to: Bybyots

So the Air planes just fly over my house are just illusions too? So was the B2 I saw flying?

Governments have classified aircraft. Thats a fact. BAE, Boeing and LM dont sit on there arses all day doing nothing and places like Area 51 dont exist to give those scientists places to sit on there arses while doing nothing. Flying wing designs are already known to be a popular choose for stealth aircraft unless you are saying the B2 and F-117 do not exists.

As for spinning a large ships not "cutting it" what is your source? Come on ?

a reply to: tetra50

Also tetra i noticed when reading the amazing Philip K Dick's Exegesis he mentions Plasma as living information.

EXEGESIS

www.tekgnostics.com...

22. I term the Immortal One a plasmate, because it is a form of energy; it is living information. It replicates itself -- not through information or in information -- but as information.

23. The plasmate can crossbond with a human, creating what I call a homoplasmate. This annexes the mortal human permanently to the plasmate. We know this as the 'birth from above' or 'birth from the Spirit.' It was initiated by Christ, but the Empire destroyed all the homoplasmates before they could replicate.

24. In dormant seed form, the plasmate slumbered in the buried library of codices at Chenoboskion until 1945 C.E. This is what Jesus meant when he spoke elliptically of the 'mustard seed' which, he said, 'would grow into a tree large enough for birds to roost in.' He foresaw not only his own death but that of al homoplasmates. He foresaw the codices unearthed, read, and the plasmate seeking out new human hosts to crossbond with; but he foresaw the absence of the plasmate for almost two thousand years.

25. As living information, the plasmate travels up the optic nerve of a human to the pineal body. It uses the human brain as a female host in which to replicate itself into its active form. This is an interspecies symbiosis. The Hermetic alchemists knew of it in theory from ancient texts, but could not duplicate it, since they could not locate the dormant, buried plasmate. Bruno suspected that the plasmate had been destroyed by the Empire; for hinting at this he was burned. 'The Empire never ended.'

Some people think this stuff was all invented in his head but to my mind he was tuned into some higher knowledge and his Exegesis is a absolute wealth of information.

a reply to: DrunkYogi

Ah, yes, glad you brought that here. I wasn't sure if I brought up Dick on this thread or another one. They're all kinda blending together today, as I did that physics research yesterday and got my head spinning kinda fast, it seems. lol.
Loved your post on the other thread, btw.

Anyway, all good quotes, there, for further exploration here. I think we've provided quite a bit that shows that fiction is sometimes the only way to tell the truth. The older I get, the more I see this "turnaround" of information, and oftentimes it comes from works of "fiction." Kinda makes me think about Spacedog's 75/25 mention in a whole new way……

Wonder if he's reading our journey that he set us upon, yet again--for many, and for the first time for a few, perhaps... to explore the most ancient story he repeated here, yet again, about the war between the Lord of the Underworld, Hades, and the Titans of Olympus….it's hardly new news, huh?
tet

24. In dormant seed form, the plasmate slumbered in the buried library of codices at Chenoboskion until 1945 C.E. This is what Jesus meant when he spoke elliptically of the 'mustard seed' which, he said, 'would grow into a tree large enough for birds to roost in.' He foresaw not only his own death but that of al homoplasmates. He foresaw the codices unearthed, read, and the plasmate seeking out new human hosts to crossbond with; but he foresaw the absence of the plasmate for almost two thousand years.

Wow, Yogi. Just….wow.
And what you said about Dick at the end of his quotes: it really is uncanny, isn't it, lacking a better word? Surely he was already here.
It's implied, if we are but shells to host some other consciousness, as well, and plasma is the delivery method, if you will, then it implies reincarnates, doesn't it?