Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

originally posted by: parad0x122
a reply to: crazyewok
I highly doubt the TOR network and a sub-standard OS is going to save you from the sniffing tech the NSA has at their disposal... I've seen advanced virii that can literally control hardware remotely, and even offline without a C&C intervention. i.e. SUPRISE you're webcasting via your laptop camera.

If they want to find you, or see what you're doing, they already have.

Camera can be removed or just stick blue tac over the camera thats that problem solved.

And sure they can pay the VPN company off, go through tor from point of origin (IE the website he accessed) and likely have a back door through tails. But then so what?

If there are no files on that laptop linking to his real ID and hes not signing into websites using a ID that links to there ID and the laptop and internet is not registered to anything that links to his real ID the only information they can get is his general location. In a big city like London? Its still a needle in haystack.

Even if they put a virus in the laptop that records all his typing that wont reveal any more than what they know he types online anyway.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Vamana

Of course there wouldn't be. If these projects are real, they're under the SAP umbrella. Telling about it can be passed off as I heard this from a guy I know. They won't let a camera near them, but even if he managed to, there are only do many people that could take a picture of it. Same with documents. You might as well walk into prison if you're going to be that reckless.

My issue is "IF" he was part of a breakaway civ. Then then are they beholden to US laws ect If its a breakaway civ then surely the operate by there own laws and standards.

originally posted by: Vamana
a reply to: Baddogma

but killing so many so fast would require nukes and that would make most of the world pretty much uninhabitable and make them lose their much loved control, what would they gain from this other than prevent "RK's" from traveling?.

they have interstellar space travel, high tech cloaking, what seems to be the whole planet's brain power, probably a bunch of other crazy high tech, and yet they can't prevent this mass population wipe?, I'd like to believe this is true but there's just so many holes in it even if its only half truth.

I wish I could see 1 of these "black triangles" but nothing weird going on in the skies over my city or the whole countries skies as a matter of fact, it seems these "massive triangles" only appear over American cities I don't believe I heard any such sightings anywhere else(correct me if im wrong) which wouldn't make sense cause according to him they are all over the world collecting "dreams".

You can see them in the UK I have.

a reply to: crazyewok

Where in the UK?

In London by any chance? I hardly sleep, always keep eyes on the sky, but still no BBT!

Im dying to see one of these things.

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: crazyewok

Where in the UK?

In London by any chance? I hardly sleep, always keep eyes on the sky, but still no BBT!

Im dying to see one of these things.

Kent. Saw one in 1990's flying over the Thames estuary.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Jenisiz

I would love a link to that thread!!! Would be really cool to read. Might fill in some gaps as to what I understand about the phenomena. I also firmly believe it's a American platform built by one of our exceptional aerospace corporations. And they did a fantastic job from what I could tell. Incredible job actually, like each engineer deserves a million $+ bonus if they haven't already received one.

If *insert name here* is to be believed the its a joint USA/UK platform that what I got from some of his PM's . Makes sense as its only recently UK aerospace has taken such a back bench up until the 1980's It produced some pretty sweat aircraft many of which even the USA brought. If exotic tec was made it likely came from a mix of American and British defence company's. Plus many of the worlds best scientists pass through Oxford and Cambridge.

originally posted by: grey580


The United States isn't making Plutonium. You need a lot of centrifuges to make that stuff.

UK has massive stockpiles of the stuff MASSIVE stockpiles

Our civilian nuclear reactors churn out loads of the stuff. Plus im sure Japan has a nice collection of it.

a reply to: crazyewok

Welcome, my fuzzy. chubby lil' friend.

Still bemused, here, by the (mostly) obvious veracity and knowledge of #futureistic Skooby Doo# regarding the black tech and still wavering on the taaaaaall tale or shocking truth revealed near the end (what, 4 to 6 weeks of increasing "woo" before the big final salvo?).

Anyway, you are appreciated ... welcome to the internet slums ; ]

a reply to: Baddogma

Yeah sorry im late to the party work and health plus travelling around the world a bit have had me distracted form any major research.

Im going through the thread now.

Like you Im trying to determine what's woo and what's real. I do think 75% / 25% might have gone on or more likely 50/50 %

All I know is Black Triangle are real and human made. Thats the only certainty I know.

originally posted by: Varelse
Re: Project Condign

This phenomenon is referred to in the report as "Buoyant Plasma Formation," akin to Ball Lightning, and is hypothesized to produce an unexplained energy field which creates the appearance of a Black Triangle by refracting light. The electromagnetic fields generated by plasma phenomena are also hypothesized to explain reports of close encounters due to inducing perceptual alterations or hallucinations in those affected.

Is this some kind of joke? Plasma of some sort may be involved in all of this but this explanation is trying to stretch a short sheet over a long bed.

I know its like to strung together long words in the hope they can confuse the readers into:
1) thinking they knew what they were talking about
2) Give up chasing government secrets

What I saw was defiantly nuts and bolts.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: phantomflier

Except that the classified info used is real cutting edge stuff. Things that the military would freak over being released. Even for a purpose like you describe.

One thing he may have not been a lone bull ****er

As has been stated he could be on the government pay roll to try and mix some BS and discredit some members here on ATS who do get abit to close to delicate matter when talking on classified tec.

If thats the case it would stand to reason he would have a case file on all of us and know exactly what info we would Know and dont know hence why we was allowed to talk about some classified projects via PM to you and others.


Of course thats only a theory but one im throwing out there.

originally posted by: crazyewok
If thats the case it would stand to reason he would have a case file on all of us and know exactly what info we would Know and dont know hence why we was allowed to talk about some classified projects via PM to you and others.

If they didn't have a file on you before, they probably do now!
I know you don't care and that's one reason you are my ewok of choice.

a reply to: The GUT

Hell why do you think I changed my avatar. I know about my file and took digs at the watchers. Heh.

Oh oh! Do I have a file too?!

If nothing else, at least someone cares enough to actually waste time compiling stuff about me. I have some glamour selfies I took if they want to add some updated photos. I like the black and white ones personally, they seem to accent my boyish good looks. Oh, and they can add this too:

-prefers to single out the red skittles and starbursts and save them for last
-unlike most of the population, I CAN just have one Lay potato chip
-I do a pretty accurate Yoda impersonation

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Varelse
Re: Project Condign

This phenomenon is referred to in the report as "Buoyant Plasma Formation," akin to Ball Lightning, and is hypothesized to produce an unexplained energy field which creates the appearance of a Black Triangle by refracting light. The electromagnetic fields generated by plasma phenomena are also hypothesized to explain reports of close encounters due to inducing perceptual alterations or hallucinations in those affected.

Is this some kind of joke? Plasma of some sort may be involved in all of this but this explanation is trying to stretch a short sheet over a long bed.

I know...

What I saw was defiantly nuts and bolts.

I believe that you are defiant about what you saw being "definitely" nuts and bolts; you have me convinced of your sincerity.

Project Condign takes a multidisciplinary approach to the subject and states as much several times, even assuring the recipient of the report that "every attempt" has been made to take a systems approach to producing the study.

So, just because the science that Project Condign refers to is not on your radar, does not mean that it can't be understood by those that are studied in those areas of science.

You can't really escape Project Condign (PC), you can ignore it, if you like, but I would advise against that.

PC has you, crazyewok, in mind when it refers to how strongly witnesses become convinced that they have seen a "nuts and bolts" "craft". According to the report, someone like you would be "case in point".

1) thinking they knew what they were talking about

2) Give up chasing government secrets

Nah, buddy, I would say that's more akin to what you are posting. Spin the ship? Only the really big ones though, right? Gimme a break: the single most difficult problem that we have to solve before getting off this planet is keeping our bodies from turning to moosh. We don't survive away from our Mother Earth. The only way we will be exploring anything outside our immediate vicinity is by surrogate robot; spinning ships aren't going to cut it.

And yeah, I agree, if somehow folks find themselves content to believe that it is just "nuts and bolts", they will totally miss yet another opportunity to underdstand what is happening between us and this phenomenon which has become one of our oldest companions.

And all because people won't look at any sort of science that tells them that their brains are working in any manner other than perfectly.

One of the hardest things to accept as a person that pursues this horrid subject is that eye-witness testimony sucks, to the nth degree



*Go ahead: Google, "How reliable is eywitness testimony".

a reply to: Bybyots

Artificial gravity fields in the form of "inertial dampening"? Who knows. If these things can do half the stuff I was told they can do, I wouldn't put it past them to have some way to cancel out the inertial forces.

a reply to: Bybyots

You can't really escape Project Condign (PC), you can ignore it, if you like, but I would advise against that.

Can you summarize PC for me please... i did not read into the links that were on the last few pages. Is it to do with the sentient plasma that kellyprettybear was on about?

a reply to: combatmaster

No Bubba,

No sentient plasmas. Not a one.

Here's the link...

PC

Check out the "executive summary", it's first. I would also suggest Vol. 2 "Working Papers" 19, 25.

Might be easier to view my "posts in thread"

a reply to: Bybyots

So glad I turned you on to Project Condign. I thought you knew about it.

I find it a remarkably helpful document, but, imo, it can only help us understand the larger picture and is by no means the total explanation. It's a must read I'd say. Important even. They also basically put their seal of approval on the work of a number of phenomenology/ufology researchers for aspects of it. Highly recommended for some of the "science" but not for all of it's conclusions.

a reply to: The GUT

So glad I turned you on to Project Condign. I thought you knew about it.

You didn't.

I discovered it by Googling "Black Triangles".

When I saw what was in it I grabbed for it quickly to smash the "living plasma" bull#.

Now I am mining it.

it can only help us understand the larger picture

Really? Are you sure? Remember how on all those threads we have been on we would come around to questions concerning the role that ore deposits and mining operations have on high-strangeness? How we spoke of all the iron mining along the Ohio River Valley?

Project Condign has that covered, too.