The Book of Revelation is a plan to bring the new world order

It tells people that they are worth nothing and should not care about themselves, and that they only exist to be tricked by the devil and thrown into the lake of fire whose smoke goes up forever and ever; or to go to heaven where there is eternal worship with 4 beasts around his throne who never sleep or rest yelling day and night "Holy, Holy, Holy, is The Lord God Almighty".

The book of revelation is telling you to wish for the end of the world because if you do, then "Jesus" will return. It's saying to wish that the antichrist come and that you are prosecuted so that you can get a "good place" in heaven. Once you pray and work towards this "end of the world" and this "new world order happen", it takes you to be happy that you will be killed; so basically, this book is using people to make the nwo happen. If people didn't have a slave-like mentality, then people would not be believing in this "book" giving their power away working for the enslavement of humanity. If people didn't have a slave-like mentality, then people would not even care about a "master" to worship (whether you call it a 'king', 'christ', or an 'antichrist').

How can you be for freedom if you are praying for the destruction of the world; and for the endless torture of those who do not think like you?

Think of it as a test, one it would seem we're unlikely to pass but there WILL be other days and other classes.

Wishing and hoping are or should be two different things .I am surely not hoping to be a Martyr but that He calls me up before that time . I am not brave or a hero so I wouldn't be a good choice for the whole beheading thing . cluck cluck that's me

a reply to: minkmouse

Tests are not needed for an all-knowing God, neither do tests absolutely need to require the dead of innocent children and extreme torture on Earth.

a reply to: the2ofusr1

But what about all those other people who will feel scared? Why doesn't God save them from that pain? If freewill exists, why didn't the book of revelation just say don't allow complete control of the world to happen? Or pray and God will protect people and it won't happen?

Something just doesn't sound right with the whole thing.

a reply to: arpgme

That's probably why I got rid of the belief in an all knowing god, there are just too many of them.

a reply to: arpgme

I'm convinced it's the only reason Christians generally support and defend Israel. They want to see them build up so they can crash and burn in order to fulfill prophecy.

If I were Jewish, I'd take a Christian's Zionist perspective as code for wanting my to die horribly.

a reply to: minkmouse

originally posted by: minkmouse
a reply to: arpgme

That's probably why I got rid of the belief in an all knowing god, there are just too many of them.

Therefore, if this is the case, then he doesn't really know if what he wants will happen or not.

a reply to: arpgme

Jesus detailed the events to come in Matt 24&25. He specifically warned about the abomination of desolations from the Daniel prophecies, which included the antichrist. The book of Revelation is the Revelation of Jesus Christ. It is the culmination of the OT and NT in one grand finale. If you reject Revelation, you reject the very word of God, and the work of Christ on the cross.

How many souls will be lost because of the out right lies that you are preaching? You teach an antichrist gospel.

Rev 22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Of course the book of revelation will say that whoever doesn't believe in the book of revelation is "bad". There are sometimes in the book of revelation that Jesus did not say in the gospels that does not represent Love.

This curse has been unleashed because a covenant was broken. A section of humanity has sold their souls to E.T that did not create us.

Now silent invasion begins. The creators are guarding and influencing humanity to reserve them from these physical entities that want to give us the same methods of reproduction the malevolent E.T use which is cloning.

When satellites were launched the E.T threat became known. In a panic, Nuclear arms were being created in stock piles in order to achieve a self destruct button. Underground bases were created in order to survive this use of the *Red Button*

E.T have been trying to convince humanity ever since to disarm nukes. The nukes would be used in an event of a mass abduction scenario.

The planet is guarded right now from any full scale activity. But will not be during a *Cataclysm* When Volcano's erupt causing a chain of earthquakes and tsunamis. The governments will allow some activity to occur well they get their plans ready for the final show when it happens.
Humanity that will be locked underground for *1000* years before being released after the *Fall out* AKA Nuclear fallout. Will be corrupted with the mark of the beast.

Which is like a ticket to Death rather than a literal mark you receive. You receive the mark once you have gone against the ordained plot and turn your back on the creators, And your family humanity.

So the mark of the Beast is more or less like a Hunters mark in WoW. For the Beast to follow and to *Devour* so to speak ( Reference to Ammit-Egypt)

These humans will be marked by the Beast because of the evil they created and have done, And for abandoning what it means to be human by becoming Cyborgs. And Cloned individuals who are not who they were before they died. As 2 clones can be exist alongside the living original.

Everyone who dies during the nuclear fallout is garenteed a spot in heaven, Because after the 1000 years are up and the underground vaults the worlds governments created open up.
They all will be hunted down and destroyed to remove the corruption from humanity. So that humanity can remain pure and unchanged. From that point on all who live and who give birth will restore the population and give bodies for the dead. They will all be raised up in a world were the taint of the passed has been washed away. Where cities are reconstructed to be paradises for humans and nature alike.

And humanity will then fill its role in its true destiny as a brooding planet. Where humans will undergo their intended transformation. Where the body mind and soul are merged into one essence. You become spirit, Energy. And all the Terrors of the night will be nothing to you because you will be cloaked in it. But with the inner burning of the eternal flame you are pure light. But the light must be concealed or it will incinerate everything in its wake. This light is hidden by *wings*.

You see, humans will be given the role to serve in the Army of the creator. To protect humanity, And to reunite humanity across space and time. A great crusade, to destroy our enemies and reclaim our homes that have been pillaged in our absence. (Reaching across the universe colonize random galaxies can make things a little UN-cordinated after a few hundred billion years)

And being as the creators don't want their primary technology in the hands of enemies do not leave anything of importance on the surface. But use land markers to show where they have hidden them.

The Secular Explanation is as follows

Revelation seems a description of the time when the leaders of society, the plutocrats, try to make government into the God.

The Judeo-Christian view of history implies a constant change in society over time, an evolution of society, that will eventually lead to unimaginable power in the hands of the leaders at some future day.

The authors of the Book of Revelation had access to all of the history from Sumer and Egypt up to the Fall of Persia and Greece (Macedon) and the destruction of the Republic of Rome. The Empire of Rome had recently begun. Like 1984, the Book of Revelation attempts to show the folly of Man trying to control all of life and nature, in a comprehensive and allegorical way (the Chinese would say in a "round" way). The rulers will always seek to make themselves divine in the eyes of their subjects. And the empires always get bigger until someday the empire will include the whole Earth.

The authors of Revelation didn't know when or what the features of the future age would be, except that the powerful would want as much control as they can get.

You can be a cell of the organism, that is, a citizen of the all powerful state

or you can fight to be free and hope enough people will be with you to win.

Total control of everthing's soul is the Anti-Christ's goal.

a reply to: arpgme

It tells people that they are worth nothing and should not care about themselves, and that they only exist to be tricked by the devil and thrown into the lake of fire whose smoke goes up forever and ever; or to go to heaven where there is eternal worship with 4 beasts around his throne who never sleep or rest yelling day and night "Holy, Holy, Holy, is The Lord God Almighty".

yea your obviously a well studied biblical scholar....About the only part of this you got right was the number 4 and the quoted section....

The book of revelation is telling you to wish for the end of the world because if you do, then "Jesus" will return.

Yea wrong again...Jesus will return whether we wish it or not is a more accurate paraphrasing of the message...

It's saying to wish that the antichrist come and that you are prosecuted so that you can get a "good place" in heaven

The Church won't even be here when the antichrist is here....do you even read the Bible?

How can you be for freedom if you are praying for the destruction of the world; and for the endless torture of those who do not think like you?

No one prays for the destruction of the world or for endless torture of those who do not think like you. Obviously Christians don't want you to be tortured if they did they would keep the good news to their-self. Go read the Bible and re-learn the rules of grammar and context. Might make your interpretations a bit more accurate.

a reply to: arpgme

The plan, for better or worse, is outlined in 1 Corinthians 15:

20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

---1 Peter 3 outlines the fact that Christ went to hell and raised the lost souls back into life. He made proclamation to them, then allowed the beasts into the ark. The process is baptism, or being born again into the waters of life. 1 Peter 3 outlines this, as does the entire NT. They are being brought out of hell, not back into it. Hell was emptied.

23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

---The dominion, authority and power he was destroying is the one he created when he was Yahweh. That old system must be moved into a new system slowly to allow the former mistakes to be mended. This is the job of Christ, or the Son of God raised from his former state of corruption as Yahweh. He must be the one to fully pay the price by saving us. It's his cup to bear.

25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

At the end of this ordeal humanity has endured, God will be seen by all for his goodness. The Son of God paid the cost so we don't have to. A new Heaven and Earth appears. That coming "Day of the Lord" was cancelled and replaced with love and truth. Yahweh was the Son of God who rebelled and proclaimed himself to be the only God. Christ is the humbled son of God acknowledging his origin to us. The Father was there all along allowing the fall, fully knowing he would fix the mess by making the Son of God humble himself before us. The snake was created by Yahweh. He must be the one to kill it (his lower nature). By killing it, we are all free from it.

Genesis 3

3 The snake was more clever than all the wild animals Yahweh Elohim had made. He asked the woman, “Did Elohim really say, ‘You must never eat the fruit of any tree in the garden’?”

If you do not use the Names of God Bible, you cannot know that Elohim is Father and Yahweh Elohim is the Son. After the fall, his title Elohim is taken away. He is just Yahweh in Genesis 4. After this, he proclaims himself God and takes the title back. From there, it goes downhill fast until we reach the end of the Old Testament. It is not until he humbles himself as a man in the water that Elohim says, "This is my son...Well pleased." The dove the descends with the Mother's blessing of peace. From this point, he is at the right hand of the true God, fixing what was broken. Revelation is the narrative of this work to free us from the former state of being.

The sixth day will see the creation of a new mankind.

The mystery is unveiled in Ephesians:

Ephesians 2

13 But now through Christ Yeshua you, who were once far away, have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 So he is our peace. In his body he has made Jewish and non-Jewish people one by breaking down the wall of hostility that kept them apart. 15 He brought an end to the commandments and demands found in Moses’ Teachings so that he could take Jewish and non-Jewish people and create one new humanity in himself. So he made peace. 16 He also brought them back to God in one body by his cross, on which he killed the hostility. 17 He came with the Good News of peace for you who were far away and for those who were near. 18 So Jewish and non-Jewish people can go to the Father in one Spirit.

One new humanity from two. The righteous and wicked are made one. He must make peace between each or He has failed to fix the rift he created.

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

The Church won't even be here when the antichrist is here....do you even read the Bible?

I didn't say anything about a "church". I said that according to the book of revelation, those against the antichrist will be prosecuted, but its ok because they will be with the saints in heaven, unless they follow the antichrist, then they are doomed. Obviously, some God-believers are still in the world when this happens or else the antichrist would have no one to prosecute.

No one prays for the destruction of the world or for endless torture of those who do not think like you. Obviously Christians don't want you to be tortured if they did they would keep the good news to their-self. Go read the Bible and re-learn the rules of grammar and context. Might make your interpretations a bit more accurate.

When you pray for "the return of Christ" and you believe in "Christ" according to the book of revelation, then yes, you are praying for the torturing of billions along with the destruction of the world.

a reply to: arpgme

I didn't say anything about a "church". I said that according to the book of revelation, those against the antichrist will be prosecuted, but its ok because they will be with the saints in heaven, unless they follow the antichrist, then they are doomed.

You are welcome to change your mind, but what you said was "The book of revelation is telling you to wish for the end of the world because if you do, then "Jesus" will return. It's saying to wish that the antichrist come and that you are prosecuted so that you can get a 'good place' in heaven." You are talking about people who are here right now, and anyone who believes in God and Christ right now will be taken in the Rapture.

Obviously, some God-believers are still in the world when this happens or else the antichrist would have no one to prosecute.

You are right, but this is not what you said in the OP. You said that the book of rev tells you to wish for the end of the world (no where does it say that). It never tells you to wish the antichrist would come and prosecute you because right now God is telling you he will save you from all that. The Church isn't mentioned in the book of revelation after chapter 3 the believers you read about are spoken of in matthew 25. The virgins or bridesmaids represent people left after the Bride has been spirited away. These people are the ones God warns of the antichrist. Their will be believers on Earth after the rapture because their will be people who recognize exactly what they missed. Below is a part of a post I wrote earlier. It explains 1st century jewish wedding customs. Understanding these helps understand the first parable in matthew 25:

When a Jewish man in the 1st century wanted to marry a woman he had to go and ask permission from her father. After that, there was a negotiation between the man and the father determining the price he had to pay to make up for the loss of the families daughter. This was known as the bride price. If all went well, and the bride agreed to become betrothed then the man would leave to build a house for her next to his father. This could take quite awhile and only when the man's father said the house was ready could the date be set, and the man would then have permission from his father to go and collect his bride.

The bride and her bridesmaids were to watch and wait. They were to always be prepared for the groom to arrive and take the bride away, as the wedding date was unknown until the groom actually appeared. The groom would try and surprise the bride, and snatch her away while no one was looking. When the bridesmaids realize the bride is gone there would be a great torch lite parade announcing to the whole town the wedding banquet was about to begin. The father of the groom paid for everything.

I have noticed you keep making very bold statements but back them up with no Scripture. Do you have any Scripture that makes you think these things are in revelation?

a reply to: arpgme

I didn't say anything about a "church". I said that according to the book of revelation, those against the antichrist will be prosecuted, but its ok because they will be with the saints in heaven, unless they follow the antichrist, then they are doomed.

You are welcome to change your mind, but what you said was "The book of revelation is telling you to wish for the end of the world because if you do, then "Jesus" will return. It's saying to wish that the antichrist come and that you are prosecuted so that you can get a 'good place' in heaven." You are talking about people who are here right now, and anyone who believes in God and Christ right now will be taken in the Rapture.

Obviously, some God-believers are still in the world when this happens or else the antichrist would have no one to prosecute.

You are right, but this is not what you said in the OP. You said that the book of rev tells you to wish for the end of the world (no where does it say that). It never tells you to wish the antichrist would come and prosecute you because right now God is telling you he will save you from all that. The Church isn't mentioned in the book of revelation after chapter 3 the believers you read about are spoken of in matthew 25. The virgins or bridesmaids represent people left after the Bride has been spirited away. These people are the ones God warns of the antichrist. Their will be believers on Earth after the rapture because their will be people who recognize exactly what they missed. Below is a part of a post I wrote earlier. It explains 1st century jewish wedding customs. Understanding these helps understand the first parable in matthew 25:

When a Jewish man in the 1st century wanted to marry a woman he had to go and ask permission from her father. After that, there was a negotiation between the man and the father determining the price he had to pay to make up for the loss of the families daughter. This was known as the bride price. If all went well, and the bride agreed to become betrothed then the man would leave to build a house for her next to his father. This could take quite awhile and only when the man's father said the house was ready could the date be set, and the man would then have permission from his father to go and collect his bride.

The bride and her bridesmaids were to watch and wait. They were to always be prepared for the groom to arrive and take the bride away, as the wedding date was unknown until the groom actually appeared. The groom would try and surprise the bride, and snatch her away while no one was looking. When the bridesmaids realize the bride is gone there would be a great torch lite parade announcing to the whole town the wedding banquet was about to begin. The father of the groom paid for everything.

I have noticed you keep making very bold statements but back them up with no Scripture. Do you have any Scripture that makes you think these things are in revelation?

a reply to: arpgme

I didn't say anything about a "church". I said that according to the book of revelation, those against the antichrist will be prosecuted, but its ok because they will be with the saints in heaven, unless they follow the antichrist, then they are doomed.

You are welcome to change your mind, but what you said was "The book of revelation is telling you to wish for the end of the world because if you do, then "Jesus" will return. It's saying to wish that the antichrist come and that you are prosecuted so that you can get a 'good place' in heaven." You are talking about people who are here right now, and anyone who believes in God and Christ right now will be taken in the Rapture.

Obviously, some God-believers are still in the world when this happens or else the antichrist would have no one to prosecute.

You are right, but this is not what you said in the OP. You said that the book of rev tells you to wish for the end of the world (no where does it say that). It never tells you to wish the antichrist would come and prosecute you because right now God is telling you he will save you from all that. The Church isn't mentioned in the book of revelation after chapter 3 the believers you read about are spoken of in matthew 25. The virgins or bridesmaids represent people left after the Bride has been spirited away. These people are the ones God warns of the antichrist. Their will be believers on Earth after the rapture because their will be people who recognize exactly what they missed. Below is a part of a post I wrote earlier. It explains 1st century jewish wedding customs. Understanding these helps understand the first parable in matthew 25:

When a Jewish man in the 1st century wanted to marry a woman he had to go and ask permission from her father. After that, there was a negotiation between the man and the father determining the price he had to pay to make up for the loss of the families daughter. This was known as the bride price. If all went well, and the bride agreed to become betrothed then the man would leave to build a house for her next to his father. This could take quite awhile and only when the man's father said the house was ready could the date be set, and the man would then have permission from his father to go and collect his bride.

The bride and her bridesmaids were to watch and wait. They were to always be prepared for the groom to arrive and take the bride away, as the wedding date was unknown until the groom actually appeared. The groom would try and surprise the bride, and snatch her away while no one was looking. When the bridesmaids realize the bride is gone there would be a great torch lite parade announcing to the whole town the wedding banquet was about to begin. The father of the groom paid for everything.

I have noticed you keep making very bold statements but back them up with no Scripture. Do you have any Scripture that makes you think these things are in revelation?

a reply to: arpgme

I didn't say anything about a "church". I said that according to the book of revelation, those against the antichrist will be prosecuted, but its ok because they will be with the saints in heaven, unless they follow the antichrist, then they are doomed.

You are welcome to change your mind, but what you said was "The book of revelation is telling you to wish for the end of the world because if you do, then "Jesus" will return. It's saying to wish that the antichrist come and that you are prosecuted so that you can get a 'good place' in heaven." You are talking about people who are here right now, and anyone who believes in God and Christ right now will be taken in the Rapture.

Obviously, some God-believers are still in the world when this happens or else the antichrist would have no one to prosecute.

You are right, but this is not what you said in the OP. You said that the book of rev tells you to wish for the end of the world (no where does it say that). It never tells you to wish the antichrist would come and prosecute you because right now God is telling you he will save you from all that. The Church isn't mentioned in the book of revelation after chapter 3 the believers you read about are spoken of in matthew 25. The virgins or bridesmaids represent people left after the Bride has been spirited away. These people are the ones God warns of the antichrist. Their will be believers on Earth after the rapture because their will be people who recognize exactly what they missed. Below is a part of a post I wrote earlier. It explains 1st century jewish wedding customs. Understanding these helps understand the first parable in matthew 25:

When a Jewish man in the 1st century wanted to marry a woman he had to go and ask permission from her father. After that, there was a negotiation between the man and the father determining the price he had to pay to make up for the loss of the families daughter. This was known as the bride price. If all went well, and the bride agreed to become betrothed then the man would leave to build a house for her next to his father. This could take quite awhile and only when the man's father said the house was ready could the date be set, and the man would then have permission from his father to go and collect his bride.

The bride and her bridesmaids were to watch and wait. They were to always be prepared for the groom to arrive and take the bride away, as the wedding date was unknown until the groom actually appeared. The groom would try and surprise the bride, and snatch her away while no one was looking. When the bridesmaids realize the bride is gone there would be a great torch lite parade announcing to the whole town the wedding banquet was about to begin. The father of the groom paid for everything.

I have noticed you keep making very bold statements but back them up with no Scripture. Do you have any Scripture that makes you think these things are in revelation?

a reply to: arpgme

I didn't say anything about a "church". I said that according to the book of revelation, those against the antichrist will be prosecuted, but its ok because they will be with the saints in heaven, unless they follow the antichrist, then they are doomed.

You are welcome to change your mind, but what you said was "The book of revelation is telling you to wish for the end of the world because if you do, then "Jesus" will return. It's saying to wish that the antichrist come and that you are prosecuted so that you can get a 'good place' in heaven." You are talking about people who are here right now, and anyone who believes in God and Christ right now will be taken in the Rapture.

Obviously, some God-believers are still in the world when this happens or else the antichrist would have no one to prosecute.

You are right, but this is not what you said in the OP. You said that the book of rev tells you to wish for the end of the world (no where does it say that). It never tells you to wish the antichrist would come and prosecute you because right now God is telling you he will save you from all that. The Church isn't mentioned in the book of revelation after chapter 3 the believers you read about are spoken of in matthew 25. The virgins or bridesmaids represent people left after the Bride has been spirited away. These people are the ones God warns of the antichrist. Their will be believers on Earth after the rapture because their will be people who recognize exactly what they missed. Below is a part of a post I wrote earlier. It explains 1st century jewish wedding customs. Understanding these helps understand the first parable in matthew 25:

When a Jewish man in the 1st century wanted to marry a woman he had to go and ask permission from her father. After that, there was a negotiation between the man and the father determining the price he had to pay to make up for the loss of the families daughter. This was known as the bride price. If all went well, and the bride agreed to become betrothed then the man would leave to build a house for her next to his father. This could take quite awhile and only when the man's father said the house was ready could the date be set, and the man would then have permission from his father to go and collect his bride.

The bride and her bridesmaids were to watch and wait. They were to always be prepared for the groom to arrive and take the bride away, as the wedding date was unknown until the groom actually appeared. The groom would try and surprise the bride, and snatch her away while no one was looking. When the bridesmaids realize the bride is gone there would be a great torch lite parade announcing to the whole town the wedding banquet was about to begin. The father of the groom paid for everything.

I have noticed you keep making very bold statements but back them up with no Scripture. Do you have any Scripture that makes you think these things are in revelation?

a reply to: arpgme

I didn't say anything about a "church". I said that according to the book of revelation, those against the antichrist will be prosecuted, but its ok because they will be with the saints in heaven, unless they follow the antichrist, then they are doomed.

You are welcome to change your mind, but what you said was "The book of revelation is telling you to wish for the end of the world because if you do, then "Jesus" will return. It's saying to wish that the antichrist come and that you are prosecuted so that you can get a 'good place' in heaven." You are talking about people who are here right now, and anyone who believes in God and Christ right now will be taken in the Rapture.

Obviously, some God-believers are still in the world when this happens or else the antichrist would have no one to prosecute.

You are right, but this is not what you said in the OP. You said that the book of rev tells you to wish for the end of the world (no where does it say that). It never tells you to wish the antichrist would come and prosecute you because right now God is telling you he will save you from all that. The Church isn't mentioned in the book of revelation after chapter 3 the believers you read about are spoken of in matthew 25. The virgins or bridesmaids represent people left after the Bride has been spirited away. These people are the ones God warns of the antichrist. Their will be believers on Earth after the rapture because their will be people who recognize exactly what they missed. Below is a part of a post I wrote earlier. It explains 1st century jewish wedding customs. Understanding these helps understand the first parable in matthew 25:

When a Jewish man in the 1st century wanted to marry a woman he had to go and ask permission from her father. After that, there was a negotiation between the man and the father determining the price he had to pay to make up for the loss of the families daughter. This was known as the bride price. If all went well, and the bride agreed to become betrothed then the man would leave to build a house for her next to his father. This could take quite awhile and only when the man's father said the house was ready could the date be set, and the man would then have permission from his father to go and collect his bride.

The bride and her bridesmaids were to watch and wait. They were to always be prepared for the groom to arrive and take the bride away, as the wedding date was unknown until the groom actually appeared. The groom would try and surprise the bride, and snatch her away while no one was looking. When the bridesmaids realize the bride is gone there would be a great torch lite parade announcing to the whole town the wedding banquet was about to begin. The father of the groom paid for everything.

I have noticed you keep making very bold statements but back them up with no Scripture. Do you have any Scripture that makes you think these things are in revelation?