BREAKING: Video Finally Released of Cops Shooting Man with a Toy Gun in Wal-Mart

originally posted by: ZeroReady
a reply to: Kryties

I never said the word conspiracy. That's a plot between several people to accomplish something sinister.

I asked why this one guy thought it would be a good idea to practice rifle manual while he was shopping. How could someone do that and not think that's going to draw unwanted attention to yourself?

For the exact reasons I described above....that he was engrossed in his phone call and was oblivious to what he was doing?

It's not rocket science mate.

originally posted by: Domo1
a reply to: muse7

No, he shouldn't. I would have called the cops too. Seeing a guy walking around with what appears to be a real rifle is cause for concern, and he was flipping that thing all over the place.

WRONG!!! Open Carry is legal in that state.

That includes long guns. It was an execution and murder, IMO.

a reply to: Shredder36

That poor boy. I don't know how he was in life, but he sure didn't deserve that moment. His face looked like he was a decent person. I'm honored to watch his last moments in the hope that it will help me have the courage to stand against those ruining our home.

a reply to: Maverick7

Open carry never includes brandishing. Gun in hand is considered brandished. Open carry is not legal in any building that has a no weapons sign displayed nor within so far of a school. I don't know if this Walmart had such a sign but some do in Ohio.

a reply to: Ahabstar

Toy gun in a store that sells toy guns...loose. No box. He took it off the shelf. Do you have eyes?

a reply to: Ahabstar

Question:

If a shop (Walmart in this case?) sells rifles openly in store, and it is legal to buy them, how the hell does someone get it to the register to purchase it then outside into their car without 'brandishing it' in public?

It's completely friggin ridiculous.

a reply to: Shredder36

well trained law enforcement is the foundation of a healthy society. law enforcement is our first line of defense against criminals and criminal elements. these men and women should have the trust of the people they serve. if law enforcement loses this trust then society as a whole is in trouble. regardless of your politics, regardless of your gender, regardless of your race we need to have a law enforcement agency we can trust and support.

this video doesn't help them much.

a reply to: Kryties

they (store clerk) escort you to the front door of the store. you are not allowed to purchase ammunition with your gun purchase. the guns i have purchased came in a cardboard box too.

originally posted by: subfab
a reply to: Kryties

they (store clerk) escort you to the front door of the store. you are not allowed to purchase ammunition with your gun purchase. the guns i have purchased came in a cardboard box too.

What about the BB guns on full display in a publicly accessible area? You know, the one he was carrying?

How was he supposed to get it to the register or outside to his car before some fear-porn addict called the cops and he was shot to death?

This is awful man....WFT is going on over there?

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: subfab
a reply to: Kryties

they (store clerk) escort you to the front door of the store. you are not allowed to purchase ammunition with your gun purchase. the guns i have purchased came in a cardboard box too.

What about the BB guns on full display in a publicly accessible area? You know, the one he was carrying?

How was he supposed to get it to the register or outside to his car before some fear-porn addict called the cops and he was shot to death?

when i was a child in the 1970's, toy guns looked real.
today they are cheaply made with bright orange tips. the "marine" who called this in must not know what the cheap plastic orange tip means.

originally posted by: Elton
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From the accompanying article:

Beavercreek officers claim that they shot Crawford after he ignored their commands and refused to drop the BB gun. The family of Crawford vigorously disputes that notion.

“It was an execution, no doubt about it,” alleged Crawford’s father, John Crawford II. “It was flat-out murder. And when you see the footage, it will illustrate that.”
The video of the incident seems to bolster the families claims, as there is absolutely no reaction by Crawford until he is hit by gunfire presumably.

Additionally, preliminary autopsy findings show that Crawford was shot in the back of his left arm and in his left side, which supports the claim that he was never even facing the officers that shot him, as shown in the video. These facts support a narrative that officers never made verbal contact with Crawford, but instead simply gunned him down on sight.

When reviewing the video, Crawford neither points the weapon at anyone, nor does he have any type of body language suggesting that he ever heard any commands given to him to drop the BB gun if they were actually given. It’s much more likely, judging from the surveillance video, that officers simply shot Crawford on sight without giving him the opportunity to drop the toy gun.

I think I may have just watched an execution, I really hope I'm wrong and someone can show how the police tried to make contact and did not just gun him down for shopping.

Absolutely infuriating... I'll rant if I give this much more input; but this is twisted.

Dude dropped the weapon and started running with Zero offensive posture preceding it.

Disgusted.

Woops, wrong thread

WOOPS, wrong thread.......sorry....

a reply to: subfab

I've never had such a thing happen to me... Even with real guns that require removal from a secure case...

If you were followed to the front of the store by the clerk... I feel like you would have to be creepy and they were worried about you. Just TBH.

originally posted by: Kryties
WOOPS, wrong thread.......sorry....

Hah. Classy.

originally posted by: DigitalJedi805
a reply to: subfab

I've never had such a thing happen to me... Even with real guns that require removal from a secure case...

If you were followed to the front of the store by the clerk... I feel like you would have to be creepy and they were worried about you. Just TBH.

not at all. it was the store policy.

everyone who purchased a firearm from a department store were escorted. the last one i purchased from a department store was in california in 1987.
gun shops are different. they don't require an escort to the door.

I'm sure a bb gun(it wasn't a toy gun like stated in earlier comments)would of been in some sort of box which means that he unwrapped the gun and then proceeded to walk around with it and point it at people.

Not a smart move on his behalf.

originally posted by: DodgyDawg
a reply to: FirePiston

A rifle slung on your shoulder or a pistol on your hip in a holster is open carrying. This guy was a total idiot just walking around waving it. Who just grabs a rifle off a shelf then proceeds to act like he did? I agree the cops messed up, but this guy was stupid and that ultimately is what got him killed in the first place.

''It was a TOY. ''

No it wasn't.



''So what if he was waving it around - does it make him anymore likely to shoot somebody? He was also on the phone!''

Yes it does and shows some intention of creating a scene.

''I'm sorry but what kind of armed robber or mass shooter casually waves their weapon around whilst having a normal conversation on the phone!''

Are you kidding? There are quite a few murderers that have gone around talking calmly on their phones while on a killing spree.


And how could he possibly have holstered the gun or slung it over his back when it wasn't his property - he may as well have just taken it off of the rail in front of him when he was shot.

originally posted by: Viking9019
I'm sure a bb gun(it wasn't a toy gun like stated in earlier comments)would of been in some sort of box which means that he unwrapped the gun and then proceeded to walk around with it and point it at people.

Not a smart move on his behalf.

Thats a big guess on your part mate. Do you have a source or proof that the BB gun was packaged and that he removed the packaging?