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originally posted by: johndeere2020
originally posted by: zardust
that the Logos has tabernacled in you and me, that the word dwells in us. The life of God in us should cause healing, shalom, peace, love between us, that is what the name of Jesus is.
In this context I agree with you. Actually, that also implies that the Word could also dwell among the good Atheists.
The literal belief of existence in a God can be very shallow. It's the deeds that really counts.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
if you do good things because you believe you will be rewarded (or at least avoid punishment), does that really make you a good person? it strikes me as curious that people should be rewarded for being selfless. the point of being selfless is that you give without getting anything in return. one could compare a lifetime of christianity to a job, and you retire upon death to enjoy your 401k. i have a question...if the wages of love and kindness were death, would you still actively practice them?
Wow, then that makes Atheists even better! Christians condemn them to hell yet some of them still choose to do good!
My answer to your question is yes.... ...If in case it happens that the God of this universe is malevolent and would torture good souls for some diabolical reason.
And I'm not entirely discounting that possibility given in our world, the evil and strong prospers while the weak and innocents suffer horribly.
It's possible that the caretaker of our universe is evil and those who will try to change the status quo will suffer some great misfortune in the afterlife.
What do I care?? I have suffered in this life already, gone through lengthy misery just by choosing to do good and not suck up to people's twisted way of having fun at the cost of other's peace.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Lazarus Short
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Lazarus Short
One more time: Ultimately, EVERYONE gets saved, because otherwise God cannot become All in all.
The bibles I have read beg to differ in the extreme.
Perhaps you need a real translation, not just a theo-illogical "version." Try a Young's Literal. Translate well, then make with the theology...
I'm curious - do your Bibles indicate that not everyone gets saved, or that God will not become All in all?
the former. not everyone will be saved or there would be no need for hell. and whats the point of making rules if everyone gets a free pass anyway? i was under the impression that he is a vengeful god. that doesnt sound like someone willing to suffer a change of heart on a dime.
originally posted by: Lazarus Short
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Lazarus Short
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Lazarus Short
One more time: Ultimately, EVERYONE gets saved, because otherwise God cannot become All in all.
The bibles I have read beg to differ in the extreme.
Perhaps you need a real translation, not just a theo-illogical "version." Try a Young's Literal. Translate well, then make with the theology...
I'm curious - do your Bibles indicate that not everyone gets saved, or that God will not become All in all?
the former. not everyone will be saved or there would be no need for hell. and whats the point of making rules if everyone gets a free pass anyway? i was under the impression that he is a vengeful god. that doesnt sound like someone willing to suffer a change of heart on a dime.
On the other hand, it is easier to explain the "Hell" verses in the Bible in Universalist terms than to explain verses indicating that all are saved if you believe in the eternal torture of the wicked. There are also a whole lot more of the verses indicating that all are saved. I can easily copy and paste more than seventy of them. Most of the time, Hell simply means the Grave.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Lazarus Short
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Lazarus Short
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Lazarus Short
One more time: Ultimately, EVERYONE gets saved, because otherwise God cannot become All in all.
The bibles I have read beg to differ in the extreme.
Perhaps you need a real translation, not just a theo-illogical "version." Try a Young's Literal. Translate well, then make with the theology...
I'm curious - do your Bibles indicate that not everyone gets saved, or that God will not become All in all?
the former. not everyone will be saved or there would be no need for hell. and whats the point of making rules if everyone gets a free pass anyway? i was under the impression that he is a vengeful god. that doesnt sound like someone willing to suffer a change of heart on a dime.
On the other hand, it is easier to explain the "Hell" verses in the Bible in Universalist terms than to explain verses indicating that all are saved if you believe in the eternal torture of the wicked. There are also a whole lot more of the verses indicating that all are saved. I can easily copy and paste more than seventy of them. Most of the time, Hell simply means the Grave.
i bet the pope believes in hell. and he is the mortal mouthpiece of the almighty is he not?
originally posted by: TzarChasm its easy to put the gun in your mouth when you know youl be leveling up x100 in a moment after you pull the trigger.......
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thats another thing. i dont see martyrdom as a badge of valor. if you choose to deprive yourself or sacrifice yourself that doesnt automatically make you a hero.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
the pope is the next best authority to jesus, from what i understand. certainly a higher authority than you.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: TzarChasm
the Pope is not Jesus Christ
in the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus Christ says that he is the one true teacher and the One true rabbi
the pope is the next best authority to jesus, from what i understand. certainly a higher authority than you.
originally posted by: Lazarus Short
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: TzarChasm
the Pope is not Jesus Christ
in the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus Christ says that he is the one true teacher and the One true rabbi
the pope is the next best authority to jesus, from what i understand. certainly a higher authority than you.
Why would the Bishop of Rome have any greater legitimate authority than the Bishop of any other city, say the Bishop of Constantinople?
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Lazarus Short
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: TzarChasm
the Pope is not Jesus Christ
in the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus Christ says that he is the one true teacher and the One true rabbi
the pope is the next best authority to jesus, from what i understand. certainly a higher authority than you.
Why would the Bishop of Rome have any greater legitimate authority than the Bishop of any other city, say the Bishop of Constantinople?
i didnt say bishop, i said the pope. as in THE pope. ask the cardinals who voted him in.
originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: TzarChasm
There is only one authority. The Golden Rule of Christ, The Law of God given through Christ (Matthew 7;12)
It is not something you have to worry about unless you are prepared to make the trip and tell them the gospel yourself.
Heaven is not for everyone
Your a Christian Millenniast but dont want to show your true colours.