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The mainstream theories of evolution generally claim: An infinitely dense and in some cases infinitely hot singularity of high energy existed at some point and expanded, then cooled, various forces and mater and the fabric of space and time.
No, it doesn't. There are plenty of non-intelligent organisms which have survived longer than humans. There is no reason to believe that humans are the pinnacle of evolution or that intelligence is a necessary adaptation for survival.
This also suggest that we are the ultimate intelligence
Many will claim that the book of Genesis does not mean "literal 24 hour period" where it says, "On the ## day, God... ...And there was evening, and there was morning—the ## day."
Cris Putnam, the force behind the Logos Apologia website, has recently blogged about how the creation stories of Genesis 1-2 target ancient Egyptian creation myths. The impetus behind Cris’ efforts is a recent book entitled, In the Beginning… We Misunderstood: Interpreting Genesis 1 in Its Original Context. The authors are both Dallas Seminary grads. Their thesis is well known to scholars (and readers of this blog), though little known to the people in the pew: the biblical creation story isn’t at all about science, but about dissing other gods and the myths written about them. I haven’t read the book yet, but I’ve ordered it. I don’t expect to learn much, since this is familiar turf to Hebrew Bible specialists, but I’m very interested in how the material is presented. As readers here know, this “not about science” approach has long been my position on Genesis and the Bible in general. What’s happening in Genesis 1-2 is very obvious to anyone who works in the original text (beyond simplistic word studies) and (important) is familiar with ancient Near Eastern creation stories. The beliefs of ancient Egyptians, Babylonians, and Canaanites all have shots taken at them. The biblical authors are clever and fearless in putting forth their fundamental theological claim: the world all of us humans experience is the product of the creative power of the God of Israel and no other god, period. They skillfully backhand other gods with textual eye-poking that anyone living in the ancient world would have readily discerned — and that is our fundamental disconnect. We process Genesis in light of our own age and intellectual battles. The result is a flawed presentation of the Genesis creation is both rebutting undesirable science (Darwin) and affirming science outside Darwinism’s immediate purview. Genesis 1 isn’t about any of that, save that it affirms an external creator God. The claim of the biblical writers is a supernaturalist one, not a scientific one.
In conclusion, the author/redactor(s) of the Genesis creation accounts share certain concepts of the makeup of the world with other ancient Near Eastern cultures. However, it is especially with Egypt’s worldview that the author/redactor(s) are familiar. Evidence for this lies in the many allusions to Egyptian creation motifs throughout the Genesis creation accounts. But, rather than being a case of direct borrowing, they demythologize the Egyptian concepts and form a polemic against the Egyptian gods. Thus, they elevate Yahweh-Elohim as the one true God, who is transcendent and who is all powerful. He speaks his desire and it comes to pass. He does not require the assistance of other gods to perform the acts of creation. He alone possesses the power and means necessary to effect the creation of the world. This paper has compiled a list of the more significant parallels between Egyptian cosmology and the Genesis creation accounts, and has shown that Egyptian cosmology and the Genesis creation accounts share more affinity with one another than the Genesis creation accounts share with Babylonian cosmology.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb
and what created this god?
originally posted by: UB2120
originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb
and what created this god?
God, the first source and center, is the only uncaused cause. The only being in all creation who does not depend on another for his existence.
originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein
originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: UB2120
If your god is exempt then the premise is false. This is called the special pleading fallacy.
Not really. You are under the assumption God is a human and needs created, this is a false idea.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb
and what created this god?
originally posted by: mikefougnie
a reply to: Tangerine
If I am wrong, correct me. Explain where the singularity came from.
originally posted by: Jukiodone
There are actually more modern theories on the evolution of life that might be of interest to those struggling to understand how it could happen- and it's probably more bizarre than any existing views on both sides of the argument.
Turns out that organic matter and energy are not enough to create life on their own.
According to the theory, life also needed the actual physical structure of a heavily oxidised element (probably molybdenum or boron) which provided some sort of "template" upon the organic compounds
originally posted by: mikefougnie
The Bible Claims: God Creates the Universe with the Earth (water-world) in it, then creates light and dark (unspecified light source, not the Sun), then creates the sky separating the ground level ocean from the water (or as some research suggests an ice layer) in the sky, then creates dry land, and then creates plants. At this point, God creates the Sun to contain the previously created light to shine on one side of the earth and the moon to reflect to the other, he then did this in various other parts of the universe creating the stars we see. God then fills the air and water with living creatures, and then the next day fills the land. Then God creates an individual man and then a woman shortly after. Then God tells these people to reproduce and fill the land, and take care of it. There was also no death (to humans or animals) until humans sinned, realized they were naked attempted to cover themselves with leaves, then God slaughters an animal to make covering for them showing that sin leads to death. At this point death enters the world lead to animal and human death. Meaning sorry, dinosaurs had not died before people. This view shows that we were created as servants. A future post will explain where religion comes into the picture.
First Plant Creation Story
Genesis 1:11-13, 27-31 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them ....And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Second Plant Creation Story
Genesis 2:4-7: These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground.
First Account
Genesis 1:25-27 (Humans were created after the other animals.)
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image.... So God created man in his own image.
Genesis 1:27 (The first man and woman were created simultaneously.)
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Second Account
Genesis 2:18-19 (Humans were created before the other animals.)
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Genesis 2:18-22 (The man was created first, then the animals, then the woman from the man's rib.)
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them.... And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
originally posted by: Jukiodone
a reply to: TzarChasm
I havent got time to revisit this now but yes- as far as I remember- the suggestion was that the crystaline structure of the surface of the material provided a "physical interaction" that acted as a catalyst to generate what we know as RNA.
Mind shattering implications if true and the guy with the theory is better qualified to comment than most.
This view shows that we were created as servants.
originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: UB2120
If your god is exempt then the premise is false. This is called the special pleading fallacy.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: UB2120
originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb
and what created this god?
God, the first source and center, is the only uncaused cause. The only being in all creation who does not depend on another for his existence.
so god can be without cause but the big bang cant. makes perfect sense.
/tzarchasm