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originally posted by: Tangerine
Prove it. Cite the testable evidence making these outrageous claims facts.
originally posted by: Murgatroid
originally posted by: Tangerine
Prove it. Cite the testable evidence making these outrageous claims facts.
And what difference would it actually make in your life if you DID have "proof"?
originally posted by: LittleByLittle
Jesus taught about the sheep and the goats and that souls who to not do right will face consequence for it. He said the criteria that have to uphold to be considered a sheep and not a goat.
originally posted by: TrueBrit
I do not believe that the merciful God is an independent being from the wrathful one. God is a being of both stunning compassion and love, and volcanic fury. One without the other would be utterly pointless. We see examples of both traits in his creation, the beauty of a still pond juxtaposed with the crashing of angry seas, the life giving warmth we feel from the sun stood next to the fury with which it burns...
God alone can perfectly encapsulate these things. The human way is to obsess over being one or the other, as we desperately search for a balance we are incapable of attaining, and have been since the fall of mankind.
Is this 'highest' dude the same as the one who created a hell for the unworthy?
originally posted by: TrueBrit
I do not believe that the merciful God is an independent being from the wrathful one. God is a being of both stunning compassion and love, and volcanic fury. One without the other would be utterly pointless.
originally posted by: TrueBrit
We see examples of both traits in his creation, the beauty of a still pond juxtaposed with the crashing of angry seas, the life giving warmth we feel from the sun stood next to the fury with which it burns...
originally posted by: TrueBrit
God alone can perfectly encapsulate these things. The human way is to obsess over being one or the other
1 John 1:5
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
John 1:4
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
1 John 2:11
But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
1 John3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Tangerine
Technically there is historical evidence
We know Paul was a factually historical person who wrote in the first century...
He mentioned meeting James "the brother of the lord" and peter...
Thus we do know Jesus existed at the very least...
originally posted by: arpgme
Hell is death and Heaven is eternal life. God did not create death. Death entered the world when Adam and Even were tricked by The Serpent. It's important to remember that. God is not the author of death. God is The Spirit and The Spirit gives Life.
originally posted by: Tangerine
So you're denying the fundamental claim of Christianity that God created everything and is all-powerful and all-knowing?
originally posted by: arpgme
originally posted by: Tangerine
So you're denying the fundamental claim of Christianity that God created everything and is all-powerful and all-knowing?
I only reject the claim that God created death.
Death is the result of the first humans (Adam and Eve) being tricked (by the serpent).
God is The Light of Life. Jesus revealed God's true nature (John 8:12).
Jesus is The Door (to The Truth of Who God REALLY is) and all who came before him were thieves and robbers (John 10:8).
originally posted by: Tangerine
You're saying that God didn't create everything, including Adam and Eve and the Serpent.
originally posted by: Tangerine
You're saying that God is not all-knowing and all-powerful.
originally posted by: Tangerine
An all-knowing God would have known exactly what the Serpent, Adam and Eve would do before he created them. An all-powerful God would have created them to do exactly what he wanted them to do.
originally posted by: Tangerine
An all-powerful God would have created them to do exactly what he wanted them to do.
originally posted by: Tangerine
originally posted by: LittleByLittle
Jesus taught about the sheep and the goats and that souls who to not do right will face consequence for it. He said the criteria that have to uphold to be considered a sheep and not a goat.
Actually, there's no historical evidence (ie. contemporaneous documentation) proving that Jesus ever lived. Even if he did, the books of the Bible that "quote" him were written by people who didn't live when Jesus allegedly lived and never heard him say a word. Bottom line, Jesus didn't teach anything that we're aware of.
No, I'm not. I'm saying God created everything except for death. Death happened when Adam and Eve got tricked by the serpent.
No I'm not. God being all-knowing and all-powerful does not contradict the serpent tricking Adam and Eve. He tricked Adam and Eve (humanity) not God.
Yes, an all-knowing God would have known exactly what would of happened. Just like if you go into the future, watch something, then go back 5 minutes you'll know what will happen. Just because God knows what will happen that doesn't mean he will interfere with humanity's (Adam and Eve's ) choice to follow death or Life. It's humanity choice to walk the narrow path of Life or the wide path of death.
He wanted them to choose between Life and death, and they did.
originally posted by: Tangerine
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Tangerine
Technically there is historical evidence
We know Paul was a factually historical person who wrote in the first century...
He mentioned meeting James "the brother of the lord" and peter...
Thus we do know Jesus existed at the very least...
That's second-hand and not remotely proof that Jesus actually lived. You could meet someone and they could tell you that Bigfoot is their brother or you could, for some reason, assume that Bigfoot is their brother. Would your word for it be proof that Bigfoot existed? No. Apply common sense.
Common sense tells us that people don't give their lives for someone that didn't exist... ever
Historically speaking we know of people that existed that met Jesus or at the very least met people that associated with him...
Historians and scholars across the globe are pretty much unanimous on the fact that Jesus most definitely existed... even those outside of the Christian communities of the world... IF you don't accept what they say... that's your issue
Bull. S***. And you know it. perhaps they arent aware that the person doesnt exist, but history gives us LOTS of accounts of people dying for someone that doesnt exist. Including all of the major religions throughout the history of humankind.
just because they met him doesnt prove he is who they say he was. it comes down to the education and mental stability of every person who ever wrote about him. a backwoods redneck with a preschool vocabulary and even less grasp of science isnt a very credible source of UFOs for instance.
name one...
We aren't talking about who he was, are we now...
I said there is factual evidence he was a real person...
And in fact the education of the people who wrote about him were quite extensive... they were scribes, people who literally wrote for a living...