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Originally posted by AlephBet
Note the progression. Father, Son and Mother (Holy Spirit) must participate in involution (Baptism). There is a pattern that we can find in child birth to show the hidden meaning behind all of this story. Are the rockers right or are the Christians right? The answer is neither and both.
You say the “answer is neither and both.”
Which I can only assume means that both the Gnostics/Rockers and the Christians have some truth in them, while also containing some false hoods…or errors etc…
So I’m curious…
In your opinion, which parts have the Christians got right/wrong, and which parts have the Gnostics got right/wrong…?
Originally posted by AlephBet
Both have the essential story correct. We are not our bodies. We are wearing them as bio-mechanical robots. The Bible states that we are created in an image. Image is like looking in a mirror. We are fallen. We are isolated here and restricted by law. Law is our guardian of sorts, just as Galatians 3 states. In Jewish tradition, the guardian is a trusted relative that cares for the son of the landowner. This is essentially what a lord is. The job of the guardian is to take care of the son until he can inherit the family farm. The guardian restricts the son and teaches him the aspects of the harvest.
Originally posted by AlephBet
Between the two, the differences are found by looking at the rebellion of the son against the guardian. There are some sons that do not rebel. They are both correct in their expression. One laments and complains. One eagerly joins in one the work. Each are participating in the same story. They are both wrong in their conclusion.
Originally posted by AlephBet
Righteousness is being on the correct side of truth. Self-righteousness, on the other hand is the same as wickedness. The Bible clearly states that none are righteous. I'm definitely not righteous and neither, obviously is a wicked person (all are wicked just like me and you). For anyone to say that they are righteous, what they say is a lie.
None are righteous. Wickedness and self-perceived righteousness are the same thing. Each seeks to rule over the other. The wicked calls the self-righteous a hypocrite. The righteous condemn the wicked for falling short. They are both right and they are both wrong.
Originally posted by AlephBet
What's the point then? We are not saved from our own works. Neither can we be condemned unless we judge another person. By condemning another (rising above), we condemn ourselves. Wickedness rules others for gain. Self-righteousness judges another for gain. They are the same. Only the person in the middle (mean) can be righteous. Neutral is the middle between the swing of the pendulum. It's the narrow path.
So one Son rebels and another does not, and somehow they are both correct in their expressions…
First of all, your starting premise/definition of what a righteous person does, is on the wrong track…A righteous person should never condemn people (Luke 6:37); those that do, are NOT righteous IMO, even if they think they are. A righteous person will only try to help another change their wrongful ways, through words of Wisdom.
Every human soul, Asclepios, is immortal; but this immortality is not uniform. It differs both in mode and in duration.
I think a lot depends on what you mean by “saved”?…I don’t believe in the standard Christian “Hell fire” doctrine of punishment…and have a completely different view on what it means to be “saved”…
But your right, by condemning others, we are just condemning ourselves (Luke 6:37)…
Originally posted by AlephBet
---Which brother learned more and became humbled? The one that left home to discover truth. He suffered for his knowledge. The other son stayed at home and took reward. He became self-centered. There is no appreciation for what was lost. This is objectivity over altruism. God's will is to give and receive. The thief can only take and never give. Jesus said to give to even enemies.
Originally posted by Joecroft
First of all, your starting premise/definition of what a righteous person does, is on the wrong track…A righteous person should never condemn people (Luke 6:37); those that do, are NOT righteous IMO, even if they think they are. A righteous person will only try to help another change their wrongful ways, through words of Wisdom.
Originally posted by AlephBet
I was not clear. I didn't mean we will judge. I meant that most Christians today are very judgmental. I was saying the reality of the situation, not what should be.