Hobby Lobby wins Supreme Court case, limits the ACA contraception mandate

It's always struck me funny that these people that are against abortion are against birth control. You want to avoid abortions then birth control is the logical step.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Not really. People are partially paid their income via health insurance plans. People ought to be able to spend their income however they choose without someone using their authority as your boss to dictate what you do and don't buy. They have no business knowing what is in your insurance plan, that is your private medical information.

Ugh! All this would be solved if the health care industry would be heavily regulated and people could afford insurance without having to get it through their employers.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: neo96

Well I have always thought that birth control was willfull eugenics in action.

Or, Self determined Natural Selection. Family planning isn't a bad thing.

I disagree.

When the 'fad' of the day is the willfull,wantingly taking of big pharmaceuticals to prohibt, and END human life that isn't 'family planning'.

That is barbarism because the result has been deemed 'inconvenient'.

This is a site that is against birth control pills ... but their info is well sourced ...

Hormonal contraceptives have been declared a Group 1 carcinogen[1] by the World Health Organization (WHO).

According to the Mayo Clinic Research, if a woman uses hormonal contraception for at least four years before her first full-term pregnancy she is at a 52% greater risk for developing breast cancer.

According to the International Agency of Research on Cancer, if a woman uses a hormonal contraceptive for more than five years, she becomes four times more likely to develop cervical cancer.

According to the Journal of American Medicine, using birth control doubles one’s risk of stroke.

Bayer Finally Apologizes for Nazi Connections

The Bayer aspirin company has finally apologized for the inhumane acts of its parent firm including using Jewish slave laborers during the Holocaust. "I have sorrow and regret and apologize for the inhumanity in my country for what I.
G. Farben did to your people," Helge Wehmeier, the head of Bayer Corp., told Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel at a lecture last week. Bayer's parent company, Bayer AG, was part of the German chemical conglomerate I.

G. Farben also had a significant investment in a company that made Zyklon B gas, which was used to kill hundreds of thousands of Jews at Auschwitz the concentration camp in Poland where Wiesel's mother and sister died.

It's interesting that the company that produced the chemicals to kill millions of people in World War II Nazi Germany (Farben/Bayer), is now producing the chemicals that millions of women voluntarily take in order not to give birth. It's kind of strange, at least to me.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

You want to keep the gov out of your bedroom and your right to choice and sexual preference, yet you want them to mandate people to have to provide you with products to facilitate your bedroom activities.......

EXACTLY !

Stay out of their bedrooms!

No wait!

Pay for those birth control pills, and such.

Now 'get' out of it!

Priceless!

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

If only we had a healthy job market... sometimes it feels like we're being corralled. Can't get health insurance on your own unless you're rich, can't pick and choose your job anymore now corporate religious persons can tell you what can and can't be covered by your insurance that you can't get any other way.

a reply to: FlyersFan

M'eh. And how many were killed by planes made with BMW engines? That's not stopping people from getting their Bavarian ride on.

originally posted by: intrepid
It's always struck me funny that these people that are against abortion are against birth control. You want to avoid abortions then birth control is the logical step.

It isn't about abortion, really, or about birth control, it's about controlling the moral high ground.

A horrified, the Family Research Council of America representative , Pat Fagan, issued the following statement about birth control:

The court decided that single people have the right to contraceptives. What’s that got to do with marriage? Everything, because what the Supreme Court essentially said is single people have the right to engage in sexual intercourse.
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It’s not the contraception, everybody thinks it’s about contraception, but what this court case said was young people have the right to engage in sex outside of marriage. Society never gave young people that right, functioning societies don’t do that, they stop it, they punish it, they corral people, they shame people, they do whatever. The institution for the expression of sexuality is marriage and all societies always shepherded young people there, what the Supreme Court said was forget that shepherding, you can’t block that, that’s not to be done.

Of course, this isn’t an argument that remains outside of the marital bed. Once inside, contraception has the same “hiding” aspect, allowing a wife to potentially hide infidelity.

rhrealitycheck.org...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: intrepid

I know. Someone asked what was in the birth control pills. So I gave the info on who makes 'em. It's just really bizarre to me that Faber/Bayer who made the nazi death chemicals is now making pills that millions upon millions of women around the world gleefully pop into their mouths each day. With the Nazis, they murdered people. With the birth control pills, they stop people from being born. Different, but ....

a reply to: neo96

When the 'fad' of the day is the willfull,wantingly taking of big pharmaceuticals to prohibt, and END human life that isn't 'family planning'.

End human life? LOL Puleeeeeze! Hyperbole too much?

a reply to: windword

It isn't about abortion, really, or about birth control, it's about controlling the moral high ground.

Funny thing no one controls the 'high ground' in this country.

Not me.
Not You.
Not Government.

No one.

If the church can not 'dictate' morality.

Neither can the state.

Funny there here though is that Church morality, was replaced with the new, and 'improved' version of 'morality'.

The new boss is same as the old boss.

The new boss is just as corrupt, and abusive, as the church use to be.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

If only we had a healthy job market... sometimes it feels like we're being corralled. Can't get health insurance on your own unless you're rich, can't pick and choose your job anymore now corporate religious persons can tell you what can and can't be covered by your insurance that you can't get any other way.

Looky here and quit ignoring the facts that have already been mentioned!

I'll help you out with something right from Family Plannings website....

Take Charge is a program that provides no-cost reproductive health and family planning services to teens, men and women in order to prevent unintended pregnancies.

Take Charge program is administered by the Washington State Health Care Authority. Planned Parenthood does not approve or deny your application. We fax completed applications to the Health Care Authority for approval.

To qualify, you must: Have income at or below 250% of the Federal Poverty level. For example: $2,329 for a single person and $4,803 a month for a family of four

Source

okay? So now we can safely say, the SCOTUS ruling is not denying women birth control at all.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: neo96

When the 'fad' of the day is the willfull,wantingly taking of big pharmaceuticals to prohibt, and END human life that isn't 'family planning'.

End human life? LOL Puleeeeeze! Hyperbole too much?

What ?

The morning after pill doesn't ?

originally posted by: FlyersFan
With the birth control pills, they stop people from being born.

You said that as if it was a bad thing. Nothing wrong with planning on when to have kids. Keeps them from growing up miserable because they weren't wanted.

"Today's decision is further proof that Obamacare represents one of the greatest governmental overreaches in our nation's history."

Statement by Texas Governor Rick Perry on Hobby Lobby Ruling

Once again, the Supreme Court has struck down an overreaching regulation by the Obama Administration—and once again Obamacare has proven to be an illegal intrusion into the lives of so many Americans across the country.

Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott Applauds Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby Decision

The decision affirms that Americans, contrary to what the Obama Administration attempted to impose, have a right to live and work in accordance to their conscience and can’t be forced to surrender their religious freedom once they open a business.

Senator Ted Cruz

“Today’s decision is a victory against Obamacare’s unprecedented overreach into our daily lives and the Administration’s disregard for the freedom of religion that Americans cherish. All Texans and Americans have the right to practice their religious beliefs without obstruction from the federal government, and today’s decision by the Supreme Court affirms that Obamacare does not trump those fundamental rights.”

Senator John Cornyn

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OPINION: YEP!, YEP!, YEP! and YEP!
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originally posted by: windword
End human life? LOL Puleeeeeze! Hyperbole too much?

The FOUR types of 'birth control' that Hobby Lobby refused do indeed end human life. IUDs disallow a newly conceived human to attach to the uterus wall. The 'morning after' and 'week after' pills are abortificants. Hobby Lobby pays for the other 16 types.

Hobby Lobby refused to provide coverage for two types of IUDs and for Plan B and EllaOne, the morning-after and week-after pills, respectively.

Correcting popular misconceptions, Keim emphasized that the Greens are not Catholic, but Protestant, and said they happily provide 16 of the 20 different types of contraceptives in the mandate – just not the four drugs and devices that can allegedly cause abortions. (Source)

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: amazing
Wow. A first world nation like the United States that has companies that won't offer contraceptives or birth control as part of health care coverage. That really makes the United States look foolish. I understand not wanting government controlling our lives but...again I have to say, why aren't these people angry at the militarization of our police forces, IRS taxes, Patriot act or NSA? Contraceptives?

Pathetic. This makes me ashamed to be an American. Religious lunatics make me angry.

There are many flight out of the country, nobody is stopping you.

That must be the difference between me and you. I don't run and hide when things get rough or bad. I dig in and fight to make things better.

originally posted by: intrepid
You said that as if it was a bad thing. Nothing wrong with planning on when to have kids. Keeps them from growing up miserable because they weren't wanted.

I'll be very clear .. I am 100% fine with birth control. No problem. If I could, I'd have vending machines on every city corner dispensing free condoms. No problem. I totally disagree with Onanism which some religions believe in. But I support their right to believe it.

I just find the connection between the Nazis and the birth control pills to be odd.

a reply to: neo96
a reply to: FlyersFan

The "Morning After Pill" prevents pregnancy. No pregnancy, no abortion.

The IUD prevent pregnancy. No pregnancy, no abortion.

WHOOPS! Just caught this on FB:

But Hobby Lobby's right hand apparently doesn't know what its left hand is doing, at least when it comes to the companies that make certain forms of birth control that it equates with abortion. While the company has waged a fight against the Affordable Care Act's coverage of birth control methods it opposes, its own 401k plan had more than $73 million invested in funds with stakes in companies producing intrauterine devices (IUDs) and emergency contraceptive pills, Mother Jones reports.

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