Snowden says U.S Gov Had All Info Needed To Detect 9/11 Plot - NBC censors it

originally posted by: DeadSeraph
Edward Snowden claimed during his NBC interview that the U.S government had all the information needed to detect the 9-11 plot, and even that the perpetrators were known to the CIA and on their radar.

I"m pretty sure that's common knowledge. That's not a revelation of any kind. The investigation determined that different alphabet agencies weren't talking to each other. Each had information and if they had shared, then they would have had a better picture of what was happening. Part of post 9-11 is that the agencies are supposed to be better at sharing information.

So he didn't 'reveal' anything with that.
It has been already known for ten years.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Absolutely...and the claim that the piece was censored really insults my intelligence. I suppose that when a director edits a movie he is censoring content. We seem to want to make something out of nothing here regarding information that is stale and well known.

I mean damn...that is the exact (supposed) reason the DHS was created. There was an admission that all the pieces were there but not shared and collected in such a way that they could be put together to paint a picture of what was to happen. Anyone who was an adult and paid attention during those days should already know this.

a reply to: DeadSeraph

Um, what American didn't know *all* of this? The 9/11 Commission and pretty much everyone in the country already knew there were a lot of unconnected data points, and that, in retrospect, there was probably enough information to detect and thwart the 9/11 plots, but for a variety of reasons (including the fact that intelligence agencies did not / could not* share information with the FBI) and simple bureaucratic inefficiency, these disparate points weren't collated into any meaningful picture that someone understood and could act upon.

Snowden didn't say anything or provide any information or sources that weren't already in the NT Times 10 years ago.


It absolutely befuzzles me that there seem to be those that want to believe that there are dozens/hundreds/thousands of American soldiers, FBI agents, intelligence analysts, politicians, etc, etc who would see the 9/11 attacks coming, and would sit on their hands and do nothing, allowing the attacks to happen, all in the interests of, what, exactly?


* The scope of the "wall" is itself a subject of debate.

a reply to: Helious

Yes of course, that is why I emphased "nearly", obviously the diplomatic details were not all public.
Among some other info, however the majority of it was being discussed and even researched right here in ATS.


a reply to: DeadSeraph

For your information and to clarify for future reference, I am a human male.

Yes I meant 9/11 in that instance, however a lot of what he redisclosed was largely already discussed especially
here on ATS. Not all of it obviously, like the diplomatic details and other stuff, but much of what he shared was just ignored by most and or dismissed because it sounded too conspiracy theorist in nature.

Only to have it proven true...or at least confirmed by an offical source.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: DeadSeraph
Edward Snowden claimed during his NBC interview that the U.S government had all the information needed to detect the 9-11 plot, and even that the perpetrators were known to the CIA and on their radar.

I"m pretty sure that's common knowledge. That's not a revelation of any kind. The investigation determined that different alphabet agencies weren't talking to each other. Each had information and if they had shared, then they would have had a better picture of what was happening. Part of post 9-11 is that the agencies are supposed to be better at sharing information.

So he didn't 'reveal' anything with that.
It has been already known for ten years.

Exactly,

The comrade canary chirps out stuff that is already common knowledge and the sheeple can't get enough.

Why doesn't NBC ask if he heard from Putin what's up with the pussydolls or that anti homosexual thing going on over there? We in the west want to know things we don't know, like how are the grociery store shelves looking over in Russia these days? What's the weather like or has he seen any good movies? Any of those answers would have been more informative to us Western World dwellers.

a reply to: DeadSeraph

There's no news there. If you paid attention to the news in the years to follow, you already know that. In fact, they released the "Bin Laden determined to strike" document when CBS reported it.

Let's see here. On 9/11/2001 Bush had been in office for about 8 months. Could it be that the information that Snowden is referring to was discovered and neglected during the previous Administration? With Hiliary running in 2016, could it be that NBC was trying to play this down, because she might get burned with it? I seem to remember somebody referring to herself as co President at one time.

Of course they had the information.


a reply to: DeadSeraph

a reply to: DeadSeraph

Surely it is still well known at least two FBI agents were tracking said "hijackers," receiving flight training in FL, and issued an alert as to that, and were then told to "mind their own business and stop harassing them," even though they had well documented radical Islamic ties, supposedly. I add the supposedly, because I am increasingly skeptical about absolutely everything, and that people who claim to not know anything, really didn't know anything…..

I'm not supposed to ask why, so I'll leave that to someone else. But I guarantee the answer will only raise more "why's" as it's a bagfull of lies, we've all been fed….and what is most disturbing, is a whole lot of folks know that, and are simply okay with it…

tetra

originally posted by: JIMC5499
Let's see here. On 9/11/2001 Bush had been in office for about 8 months. Could it be that the information that Snowden is referring to was discovered and neglected during the previous Administration? With Hiliary running in 2016, could it be that NBC was trying to play this down, because she might get burned with it? I seem to remember somebody referring to herself as co President at one time.

That is a valid point, I think. Given the scope of the attack, it doesn't really matter if a person believes it was an inside job or not, elements within or under the previous administration were just as guilty, as the plot had to have been in the planning stages during the clinton administration.

I think the dots got connected but a few of the connections were snipped early on. Not necessarily in a sinister way, but a political way. So many government agencies are tasked with anti-terrorist missions and compete with each other. There most likely exists a conflict of interest sharing certain information so critical pieces hit a dead end and never get correlated.

I think it is at the root of why certain factions of our government fail to communicate properly with each other, and there are many examples of it in our history.

a reply to: charlyv

think it is at the root of why certain factions of our government fail to communicate properly with each other,

which has nothing to do with the DELIBERATE complicity shown by the 2008 NIST hypothesis crew IGNORING their own initial science to create NEW science they don't have to prove through science...

"the phenomenon that we saw on 9/11 that brought this particular building down was really thermal expansion, which occurs at lower temperatures."

Shyam Sunder at the 2008 NIST technical briefing

and when demanded to prove this NEW science....that only occurred on 9-11...

Sept. 02 2010
Dear Mr. Bob

This letter serves a the final response to your Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request (Log#10-194) to the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), in which you requested
in connection with its investigation for the technical cause of the collapse of the World Trade Center Tower and World Trade Center Building 7 on September 1,200I:

'1. All input and results files of the ANSYS 16 story collapse initiation model with detailed connection models that were used to analyze the structural response to thermal loads, break element source code, ANSYS script files for the break element s, custom executable ANSYS file, and all Excel spreadsheets and other supporting calculations used to develop floor connection failure modes and capacities.


2. All input files with connection material properties and all results flies of the LS-DYNA 47-story global collapse model that were used to simulate sequential structural failures leading to collapse and all Excel spreadsheets and other supporting calculations used to develop floor connection failure modes and capacities."


NIST is withholding sixty-eight thousand, two hundred and forty-six (68,246) file. These records are currently exempt from disclosure under section (b)(3) of the FOlA., 5 .S.C § 552 (b)(3). Exemption (b)(3) permits an agency to withhold records in an agency's possession which are records that are "specifically exempted from disclosure by statute (other than 5 .S.C552(b», provided that such statute (A) requires that the matters be withheld from the public in such a manner as to leave no discretion on the issue, or (B) establishes particular criteria for
withholding or refers to particular types of matters to be ...withheld."


The statute underlying the (b)(3) exemption in this case is the at National Construction Safety Team (1 C T) Act, 15 .S.. § 7301 et seq_ Section 12 of the CST Act (ISS_C § 7311) provides that it applies to the activities of 1ST in response to the attacks of September I ), 200 I. Section 7(d) of the NIST Act (15 U.S.C § 7306(d», exempts from disclosure. information received by 1ST in the course of investigations regarding building failures if the Director finds that the disclosure of the information might jeopardize public safety. On July 9 2009 the Director of NIST determined that release of the withheld information might' jeopardize public safety. Therefore, these records are being withheld.
NlST
You have the right to appeal this determination. Such an appeal must be made in writing and received within 30 calendar days of the date on this letter addressed to:

Assistant General Counsel for Administration (Office)
Room 5898-C
U.S. Department of Commerce
14th and Constitution Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20230


Your appeal should include a copy of you original request,a copy of this determination,and a statement of the reason(s) you believe this determination to be in error and why these records should be made fully available 10 you. Both your letter and the envelope in which it is mailed should be prominently marked "Freedom of Information Act Appeal.!!
Sincerely,
~:/_/~~A/
( Catherine S. Fletcher Freedom of Information Act Officer

a reply to: AlphaHawk

Actually, it was more than that. After commercials, they actually only aired about 30 minutes, or so of the interview.....

I wonder what else they decided the masses didn't need to see...

Well Yeah, I have been saying for years that you can collect and possess all of the information in the universe and have a repository for it, but it isn't worth a fart in a windstorm if you can't process it into anything usable and actionable.

Nobody is really in a position to act on information only because the data points toward something "maybe happening" without occasionally getting caught over-reaching or over-reacting, wasting funds or resources and getting caught with their pants down around their ankles from taking the wrong course of action and getting crucified.

I don't believe anything just because somebody tells me it's so, I don't do anything just because somebody tells me it's the right thing to do.

This world is all screwed up because everyone is trying to get over on everybody else, and besides, it doesn't make any difference in this small space I occupy in this place.

I really don't know why I even come here and discuss all of this meaninglessness, I must just be bored.

One thing I do Know is that these obtrusive ads on this site are making me consider not wasting my time here anymore though

originally posted by: bbracken677

originally posted by: [post=17987092]lme7898354
I'm willing to give up some privacy issue in order to keep future attacks from happening.

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”

Gee...seems Ben Franklin does not agree. Given the 2 of you, I would side with the more intelligent Ben.

Too many like you in this country.

It's very easy to quote the words from over 300 years ago and assume the same words would be used if the individual was alive today, based on the scenarios of our current world.

Just a blase thing to do really - as such it doesn't mean that much.

a reply to: ChiefD

aww, you're cute....how much are they paying you?


unless you're monumentally stupid, or, have been living under a rock, you should already know that he didn't just "go to russia"....it was just one stop along his route.....the only reason he's there, is because that's where he was when his passport was revoked. it's not like russia was his intended final destination...

nothing credible, eh? how about all that information about PRISM, QUANTUMHAND, XKEYSCORE, and all the rest of it? i hate to shatter your perception of reality, but all that stuff is real...

i find it sad that you hafta come on here, and embrace ignorance. name one lie....just one...

originally posted by: Meee32
Plenty of people make all sorts of wild claims right in the US. Alex jones for example... Dont see the US gov after him... Do you????

EDIT: See the difference between snowdon and Alex is Snowdon actually has solid PROOF!

now, that's not really fair....

jones may be a loud, obnoxious, windbag....but he does provide factual info, and has actual documentation and whatnot, to prove a lot of it.

i might not care for his style, but i wouldn't go so far as to say that he's completely full of crap.

a reply to: manfather

not necessarily, because after they first realized he was gone, and that he took data, it took them a bit to figure out what, exactly, he took....

by the time they had a handle on what he had, he was already releasing information, and doing interviews with greenwald...he was already becoming too publicly visible to be disappeared, or outright killed.

i'm sure they want his ass dead, but if they do it, people are gonna notice, and it could be what turns the people against the machine....they can't risk that.

a reply to: lme7898354

and could you explain to the class, exactly how these secret programs, that infringe upon your right to privacy, that constitute illegal, warrantless searches, have protected you, or anyone else from a terrorist attack?

there is no such thing as absolute safety, absolute security, or absolute freedom...

BUT...you do not need to sacrifice freedom, for security and safety....you can have them all....the problem is the people running the show...they're all rotten. they want control....complete control, so we need to have this system in place that's harmful to people's freedom, because they can't have control, if we have freedom...

we're no more safe now, then we were on september 10th, 2001.....we are less free than we were then, and we're more paranoid, and more afraid, and more hated....we're less economically secure, less employed, less respected....is all that really worth the illusion of increased safety? i don't believe it is, and i'm sure i'm not alone in that.

a reply to: ADVISOR

that's the thing....there's a huge difference between suspecting something is true, and actually KNOWING it's true.....

here on ATS, we've suspected for a LONG time that the NSA has been spying on the masses....we knew it was happening, but we couldn't prove it, or at least not in an irrefutably solid way.....that's what snowden did with the release of the PRISM, QUANTUMHAND, and XKEYSCORE documents....from that, we were able to CONFIRM what we'd always said was happening....and suddenly, we went from being loonies with tin hats, to people who seem to understand some s**t...

the thing about the information regarding 9/11 is that we didn't NEED a completely new governmental department.....all they had to do was dump all this data to the FBI's Counter-Terrorism division.....get that division some additional analysts, and let them handle it....this can STILL be done. we DON'T need DHS.