BREAKING: 20 injured in stabbings at Pennsylvania school

TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by AnteBellum

 

Yep. Just read it on skynews!

wow... you Americans sure know how to party!

Having said that, I do feel for the students who get caught up in such things.

Whats next? Another shooting spree?

change that to "wow, we humans sure know how to party", and maybe you'll sound less like an idiot....

or do you just get off on bashing america, and it's people, because that's the cool thing to do these days?

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Vasa Croe

JonButtonIII
Notice how the school called in helicopters to get these kids to the hospital.

Notice how helicopters were not called at Sandy Hook.

Ponder.

What is there to ponder? There were only 2 non-fatal injuries at Sandy Hook....everyone else died. This incident had 20 non-fatal injuries.....do you suggest they pile them all in a couple or three ambulances? There was a state police helicopter on scene.

Also depends on the distance of the hospital with a helicopter to the scene. In the case of SH, the closest hospital with a chopper would have taken more time to get there and back than an ambulance did to a closer hospital that did not have access to a chopper.

In this case I would assume the injuries of some were more life threatening and the hospital with a chopper was close enough to use a chopper with a faster response time than an ambulance.

edit on 4/9/14 by Vasa Croe because: (no reason given)

The fact that calling in medical helicopters is standard operating procedure with school incidents. And the only school incident that didn't have helicopters on hand was... you guessed it.

JonButtonIII
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Vasa Croe

JonButtonIII
Notice how the school called in helicopters to get these kids to the hospital.

Notice how helicopters were not called at Sandy Hook.

Ponder.

What is there to ponder? There were only 2 non-fatal injuries at Sandy Hook....everyone else died. This incident had 20 non-fatal injuries.....do you suggest they pile them all in a couple or three ambulances? There was a state police helicopter on scene.

Also depends on the distance of the hospital with a helicopter to the scene. In the case of SH, the closest hospital with a chopper would have taken more time to get there and back than an ambulance did to a closer hospital that did not have access to a chopper.

In this case I would assume the injuries of some were more life threatening and the hospital with a chopper was close enough to use a chopper with a faster response time than an ambulance.

edit on 4/9/14 by Vasa Croe because: (no reason given)

The fact that calling in medical helicopters is standard operating procedure with school incidents. And the only school incident that didn't have helicopters on hand was... you guessed it.

Really? Please source your statement of it being SOP. Had a helicopter been sent to SH, it would have taken longer for them to get the patient to a hospital than the ambulance. There were only 2 people that were injured there, the rest were dead. So you are trying to say that SOP would have them take longer for a life saving mission just to follow SOP than to take less time to medical care? Yeah....when that is SOP for a medical response team then that is a big fail...again, please source your claim for me....and in particular please source it to SH.

Destinyone
Why has CNN announced the FBI is on the scene? I was under the impression the FBI only gets involved if someone has crossed state lines...

This attack was by a sophomore from the school, so I assume he lives in the community.

Des

edit on 9-4-2014 by Destinyone because: (no reason given)

Des, from the FBI's What we investigate web page:

The very heart of FBI operations lies in our investigations—which serve, as our mission states, “to protect and defend the United States against terrorist and foreign intelligence threats and to enforce the criminal laws of the United States.” We currently have jurisdiction over violations of more than 200 categories of federal law, and you can find the major ones below, grouped within our three national security priorities and our five criminal priorities.

And among the groups of priorities, under group 8, we have:

8. Violent Crime and Major Thefts
- Art Theft
- Bank Robbery
- Cargo Theft
- Gangs
- Indian Country Crime
- Jewelry and Gem Theft

- Online Predators
- Retail Theft
- Vehicle Theft
- Violent Crimes Against Children
- More

(Bolding mine.)

As this multiple stabbing was a violent crime against children, the FBI has jurisdiction to investigate.

Daedalus

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^^^ QFT. This EXACTLY. You made my day today by being a voice of reason. Our society has become deranged.. you can see it even here on ATS. USE children's injury or deaths to argue a point. Sick, sick sick... and exactly why we are in the situation we are in as a people. Like you, I fear for the future and the "point arguers" are one reason for that fear.

I had to take a break from ATS due to the absolute ignorance and idiocy out of the most recent crop of BS thats been building here for the last 3-5 months. I figure a self imposed vacation to hold my tongue is much better than a forced one if I allow myself to become irritated and say exactly what Im thinking. Hey.. it takes work and effort to be all civil and decorum-ish.

did he point out a very obvious truth? why, yes, he did....

i too noticed that this almost immediately went to an argument about guns, even though this had nothing to do with guns...

of course it's awful that this happened, and i think any decent person sees it as being awful, and is sad and disturbed that things like this happen....

but when confronted with outright ignorance, what are we to do? refuse to deny that ignorance? that's not really an acceptable solution, now is it?

you might disagree with the "point arguers", but ignorance must be denied, wherever it rears it's ugly head....so long as that active denial of ignorance doesn't make you ignorant yourself, by way of blinding you to your surroundings......everyone here is acknowledging that this event was awful, WHILE trying to deny the ignorance of those who would seek to twist this into something it's not....

When that ignorance has been displayed by the same people for a good amount of time and even after thoughtful discussion with an opinion to the contrary has only incited them to be MORE radical in their position... yep. Time to let them revel n their ignorance and be known for what and who they are.

reply to post by candlestick


Gun

Maybe the perp use a gun to stab them to death.

You said gun. I know I said gun first, but that was before the
word was banished to the designated free speech zone. So
gun don't say gun because some members don't like the word gun.

But do you mean like a bayonet ?

reply to post by JustMike


Yeah, the feds have been spreading their jurisdiction like a viral disease past 20 years or so.

Agit8dChop

Knives, guns.. maybe whats in the hands isn't the problem, maybe its just Americans?

edit on 9-4-2014 by Agit8dChop because: (no reason given)

Stupid remark....as if insanity does not reside in any other countries.
Senseless violence only occurs in the US.

Really? What size blinders are you wearing?

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^^^ QFT. This EXACTLY. You made my day today by being a voice of reason. Our society has become deranged.. you can see it even here on ATS. USE children's injury or deaths to argue a point. Sick, sick sick... and exactly why we are in the situation we are in as a people. Like you, I fear for the future and the "point arguers" are one reason for that fear.

I had to take a break from ATS due to the absolute ignorance and idiocy out of the most recent crop of BS thats been building here for the last 3-5 months. I figure a self imposed vacation to hold my tongue is much better than a forced one if I allow myself to become irritated and say exactly what Im thinking. Hey.. it takes work and effort to be all civil and decorum-ish.

did he point out a very obvious truth? why, yes, he did....

i too noticed that this almost immediately went to an argument about guns, even though this had nothing to do with guns...

of course it's awful that this happened, and i think any decent person sees it as being awful, and is sad and disturbed that things like this happen....

but when confronted with outright ignorance, what are we to do? refuse to deny that ignorance? that's not really an acceptable solution, now is it?

you might disagree with the "point arguers", but ignorance must be denied, wherever it rears it's ugly head....so long as that active denial of ignorance doesn't make you ignorant yourself, by way of blinding you to your surroundings......everyone here is acknowledging that this event was awful, WHILE trying to deny the ignorance of those who would seek to twist this into something it's not....

When that ignorance has been displayed by the same people for a good amount of time and even after thoughtful discussion with an opinion to the contrary has only incited them to be MORE radical in their position... yep. Time to let them revel n their ignorance and be known for what and who they are.

Absolutely. We should ban knives as well!! Of course, the cafeteria would have to serve meat that was already cut up, and bread that was already buttered...but hey!

We should, of course, infringe on everyone's rights in the search for the myth called absolute security.

Knives do not kill people, Forks kill people.

bbracken677
Absolutely. We should ban knives as well!! Of course, the cafeteria would have to serve meat that was already cut up, and bread that was already buttered...but hey!

We should, of course, infringe on everyone's rights in the search for the myth called absolute security.

Knives do not kill people, Forks kill people.

BAN FORK VIOLENCE!

FOR THE CHILDREN!

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Knives do not kill people, Forks kill people.

And guns! Whoops! People are going to draw comparisons to
similar events where guns were used.

bbracken677

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Daedalus

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^^^ QFT. This EXACTLY. You made my day today by being a voice of reason. Our society has become deranged.. you can see it even here on ATS. USE children's injury or deaths to argue a point. Sick, sick sick... and exactly why we are in the situation we are in as a people. Like you, I fear for the future and the "point arguers" are one reason for that fear.

I had to take a break from ATS due to the absolute ignorance and idiocy out of the most recent crop of BS thats been building here for the last 3-5 months. I figure a self imposed vacation to hold my tongue is much better than a forced one if I allow myself to become irritated and say exactly what Im thinking. Hey.. it takes work and effort to be all civil and decorum-ish.

did he point out a very obvious truth? why, yes, he did....

i too noticed that this almost immediately went to an argument about guns, even though this had nothing to do with guns...

of course it's awful that this happened, and i think any decent person sees it as being awful, and is sad and disturbed that things like this happen....

but when confronted with outright ignorance, what are we to do? refuse to deny that ignorance? that's not really an acceptable solution, now is it?

you might disagree with the "point arguers", but ignorance must be denied, wherever it rears it's ugly head....so long as that active denial of ignorance doesn't make you ignorant yourself, by way of blinding you to your surroundings......everyone here is acknowledging that this event was awful, WHILE trying to deny the ignorance of those who would seek to twist this into something it's not....

When that ignorance has been displayed by the same people for a good amount of time and even after thoughtful discussion with an opinion to the contrary has only incited them to be MORE radical in their position... yep. Time to let them revel n their ignorance and be known for what and who they are.

Absolutely. We should ban knives as well!! Of course, the cafeteria would have to serve meat that was already cut up, and bread that was already buttered...but hey!

We should, of course, infringe on everyone's rights in the search for the myth called absolute security.

Knives do not kill people, Forks kill people.

What the hell are you talking about?
The ignorance we were talking about was people using tragedies and dead kids for anti gun or whatever idiotic agendas rather than discussing the root problems in order to perhaps come to solutions to the problem.. or even define what the problem REALLY is.
Your point is? Spouting tired old "ban cutlery" arguments because it sounds "informed" ??

Seriously guys, stop feeding the damn trolls.

"It could have been worse if it was a gun!"

I could think of about a hundred ways it could have been worse, none of them involves a gun! How about we focus on how to make it better? Better use of imagination than going over hypothetical doom porn. Maybe we figure out what the hell we are doing so wrong as a species eh? And yes, we are doing plenty wrong.

Fun to kick people when they are down eh? Fun to try and push agendas when emotion is high, eh? Haha more dead kids, USA sucks herp derp.

Wow. For this being a breaking news thread, I'm very disappointed.
9 pages.
8 of discussion, maybe 1 of actual news regarding this.

Guess I'll head to CNN. Thanks to those of you that did post info though.

Thoughts for all those children though, hope they all get the love and support they need right now.

reply to post by EyesOpenMouthShut

EyesOpenMouthShut
When things like this happen, I blame society as a whole.
WE have failed these kids.
Parents, teachers, members of community, law enforcement, government, tv, movies, music, everything and everyone.
How can you have sane,logical children when almost everything and everyone promote hate and intolerance?
WE are responsible,every single one of us. because when one fails we all fail

Best answer to the question of WHY these things are happening in the thread.

Not surprised at all that only one other person starred the post...

That fact directly relates to fact that ALL of us have been brainwashed on a massive scale.

From the day we are born until the day we die, we are immersed in lies.

We are all blinded to what is really taking place.

That's what mind control does, it blinds people to reality.

Brainwashed people tend to do insane things.

The real reasons for these events:

- PROPAGANDA

- MIND CONTROL

- BRAINWASHING

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Wow. For this being a breaking news thread, I'm very disappointed. Guess I'll head to CNN.

I'll stick to ATS...

The truth is out there...but you will NOT find it inserted in between 30 second commercials for toothpaste and i-phones.

Rothschilds owns all media! These are the 6 media companies that exist today. There used to be 88. These 6 all get their news from Reuters and the Associated Press. Reuters owns the AP and Rothschilds own Reuters. That means a gadzillionaire controls everything that you will read or see on TV. You can be programmed by this guy. Everything you believe, do, feel, want to buy, and want to TOLERATE is programmed into you. You are a mushroom. You live in the dark and are fed nothing but BS. www.luckinlove.com...

InverseLookingGlass
This is a cautionary note to anyone that has been getting most of their information from alternate sources and not the MSM.

A person that gets most information from the MSM will usually have an emotional reaction to ideas that challenge their comfortable world view. It has little to do with the validity of this or that conspiracy theory. The inability to think critically is symptomatic of the stupor that TV news, pop culture and advertising puts you in. Get used to it.

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bbracken677

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Daedalus

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^^^ QFT. This EXACTLY. You made my day today by being a voice of reason. Our society has become deranged.. you can see it even here on ATS. USE children's injury or deaths to argue a point. Sick, sick sick... and exactly why we are in the situation we are in as a people. Like you, I fear for the future and the "point arguers" are one reason for that fear.

I had to take a break from ATS due to the absolute ignorance and idiocy out of the most recent crop of BS thats been building here for the last 3-5 months. I figure a self imposed vacation to hold my tongue is much better than a forced one if I allow myself to become irritated and say exactly what Im thinking. Hey.. it takes work and effort to be all civil and decorum-ish.

did he point out a very obvious truth? why, yes, he did....

i too noticed that this almost immediately went to an argument about guns, even though this had nothing to do with guns...

of course it's awful that this happened, and i think any decent person sees it as being awful, and is sad and disturbed that things like this happen....

but when confronted with outright ignorance, what are we to do? refuse to deny that ignorance? that's not really an acceptable solution, now is it?

you might disagree with the "point arguers", but ignorance must be denied, wherever it rears it's ugly head....so long as that active denial of ignorance doesn't make you ignorant yourself, by way of blinding you to your surroundings......everyone here is acknowledging that this event was awful, WHILE trying to deny the ignorance of those who would seek to twist this into something it's not....

When that ignorance has been displayed by the same people for a good amount of time and even after thoughtful discussion with an opinion to the contrary has only incited them to be MORE radical in their position... yep. Time to let them revel n their ignorance and be known for what and who they are.

Absolutely. We should ban knives as well!! Of course, the cafeteria would have to serve meat that was already cut up, and bread that was already buttered...but hey!

We should, of course, infringe on everyone's rights in the search for the myth called absolute security.

Knives do not kill people, Forks kill people.

What the hell are you talking about?
The ignorance we were talking about was people using tragedies and dead kids for anti gun or whatever idiotic agendas rather than discussing the root problems in order to perhaps come to solutions to the problem.. or even define what the problem REALLY is.
Your point is? Spouting tired old "ban cutlery" arguments because it sounds "informed" ??

Dude, seriously?

My point? Perhaps that knee jerk reactions to events are often dumb as dirt.

Or perhaps I just have a strange sense of humor. Scratch the perhaps part.

Every time there is some mass killing of some sorts our govt (and citizenry in some cases) tend to want to go extremely overboard as a remedy. Consider the kid that was expelled for eating his bologna into the shape of a gun. Consider the kids (plural) who have been suspended for having such mighty weapons as nail clippers on their persons at school. I could go on and on and on.

I am 59 and I distinctly remember schools not being total as$hats when I was going to school and yet, somehow not only did I survive the experience but actually learned in public schools. These days, it appears, children are not learning anything, they are being subjected to absolutely stupid policies and are less safe than ever before.

Oh..wow...it just occurred to me. If you misbehaved in school in the old days you got a butt whoopin. These days there is no discipline at school nor at home. I see a correlation.

Ergo..let's just add to it by banning knives in society. That will make us all safer, right?

Oh yeah, let's not forget the policy of doping kids in school for "behavioral" issues rather than just exercising some actual discipline.

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- PROPAGANDA

- MIND CONTROL

- BRAINWASHING

But Murg you can't expect the truth to be accepted,
not when it ads up to even more truth. And what those
three things add up to is unacceptable. Because No. one it
finds just what some in this discussion are pretending to look for.
Which is the why? And two, the factors above would mean that
there really are some wicked people running our lives and this world.
And pretty much identifies who they are as well. Unacceptable!

Vasa Croe

Agit8dChop
9 people take to hospital apparently?

Disgusting, especially at a school! how can a kids life be the same ever again for them or their future children?

Knives, guns.. maybe whats in the hands aren't the problem, maybe its just Americans?

edit on 9-4-2014 by Agit8dChop because: (no reason given)

These things don't just happen in America. They are worldwide. They happen in areas other than a school in most places, and yes, guns/knives are NOT the problem....the people are the problem. Take away their weapons and they will just use a car to plow through a crowd....it doesn't matter what they can't use, they will find something they CAN use to cause the same amount of destruction.

Very true, Vasa Croe. Where there is a will, there is a way--even in creating pain and mayhem. The US isn't unique in having these kind of assaults within schools but we do outnumber how many occur around the rest of the world.

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9:30 am this morning a mass workplace stabbing occurs in Toronto:

globalnews.ca...

weird.