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Originally posted by BeyondBelief
Thank you all for your input. I stated that the machine was faked to appear to be of USAF origin, and yes it is faked to show that. It might even be a stock library photo of a drilling machine pictured in China - who knows. The fact is, it's a tampered with photo that has done the rounds and has many fools sat at home thinking that the USAF are constanly digging big tunnels to house secret things.
or equally silly laser blasters.
As far as I know, you haven't proven anything. Maybe I didn't see your articles or photographs. Please produce your evidence (if you have any) again.
But given the state of the art in laser cutting technology, and the capabilities of other, more cost-effective approaches to secret caverns, assuming that such a device exists based on some very preliminary tests is just, well....
Originally posted by Off_The_Street
Chuck Stevenson says:
"I have posted regarding Nuclear Powered T.B.M.s before..."
Do you have any evidence that such a device actually exists, or is it simply wishful thinking?
"I know of two T.B.M.s with 30-foot faces buried just 40' under a major street in Los Angeles which were used to create the tunnels for the 'Red Line' subway for the Los Angeles MTA."
Right. No one else in the entire city of Los Angeles knows about two radioactive machines right in the middle of downtown, but you do.
I don't suppose it'd do any good to ask you for any evidence for such an assertion, would it?
Originally posted by BeyondBelief
I am really having fun since joining this forum, haven't stopped laughing. Anyway as many of you work on zero evidence to draw huge conclusions from I would like to make a change from the norm and have a serious topic devoted to facts. (That's facts Indigo_Child, therefore you might not feel equipped to join in.)
Anyway, I would like to systematically debunk certain pieces of so called "evidence." Hopefully then we can obsereve what is left over and make a decision as to whether there is any case to answer. However one could argue that you only have to disprove one claim made by Schnedier in order to disprove the whole lot.
Anyway for starters I would like to present exhibit 'A' - the "USAF Tunneling Machine" presented on many sites as "evidence" that we are living above a myriad of tunnels and caverns housing all kinds of unspeakable evil minded beings.
Well I am not saying that the USAF doesn't own a tunneling machine, although most large companies wouldn't buy one, they would lease one or use a sub-contractor. But in this case the photograph is a fake - it is photoshopped - the USAF logo has been stuck on using an image editor - you can clearly see this when you zoom in far enough. It is FACT. It is INDISPUTABLE. The logo has been put on there in order to add credebility to someones story at some point.
Now let's have a little debate about this if you like and let all the disciples of UFOs and conspiracys try to tell us that the USAF deliberately made their logo look like it was photoshopped just in case someone managed to get a photo of it onto the net.
After that, we can move on to more pieces of "evidence" to debunk.