reply to post by dragonridr
I hear your points. But I have no proof even that you exist.
Fairy tails might be an unfair characterization of what I said.
Subjectivity is the condition of all intelligent beings. But there is probability, and based on what I know, and have actually experienced, I can say
life not human, and technologies not conventional or even within our technology to date actually exist.
As for specific items cited, we only have testimony from McKinnon and his motivations remain fairly simple. We can't know what he actually saw but we
can see the smoke from the fire he started in the defense community. We can deduce the intensity with which there was response to the breach of secure
files. He made another statement too that while he was on those systems he saw many others from many other countries hacking in to the same materials.
So, there might be corroborative out there for what he saw. I tend to believe the direct story, but not necessarily all the interpretations.
As for NASA, I know about other agency branches. Outside of Ames where I contracted in the late 1980s, I have a friend who was launch specialists at
Vandenberg and some Alaskan launch facilities. There are many facilities for space operations around the globe for secret DOD launches of technology.
Vandenberg has been a fairly secure place for this, but encroachment of more homes and business within eyeshot of launch operations has increased over
the years, making it harder for such to be practical. There is some evidence that a couple Saturn V launches happened in the 70's for military
reconnaissance with additional Moon missions. Back then you could launch from Vandenberg and no one except the townspeople of Lompoc or Orcutt were
notified and could see launches.
As far as NASA people, they are as you say, but the agency itself has a leash and what comes out is always scrutinized for policy and security. Some
simple things get out in papers, but all else is managed. I did not need a security clearance to work at NASA. I could go most places I needed, and
unaccompanied also. NASA is not working on anything too fringe. They keep NASA busy with all they need to satisfy scrutiny and the basic maintenance
and development of conventional systems and technologies, with just the right amount of advances to not be called a dead, static or otherwise a
useless funding entity. The same who own our government and military own NASA too remember. Fresh paint on the facade every once and a while is always
a good idea to maintain the illusion.
Here is a link to some statements on NASA-Military relationship. I did not want to quote or paste in all this. It is one of many articles and
investigative journalistic pieces on this subject.
My step father was a DOD investigator. His office for a while was on the only patch of grass at the end of the runway on the lake bed at Edwards AFB.
When the first Shuttle landing happened my family was there. Had I been there (I had an invite from my dad, I missed due to deadlines at work.) I
would have been closer than the White House reps and other visitors. So from what I know, the military are the meat of NASA's meat and potatoes.
I however am positive that there was and might still be life on Mars in microbial or simple plants. Even remnants of past civilizations are not out of
the question. However our ability to correctly recognize such evidence, or also find acceptable proof is not as likely to be made available with the
management of the information from probes and explorer technologies there now. We have to go there. We need someone like Google to fund a
rover-research mission capable of the chemistry and geologic and orbital science unfiltered by the current.
I worked a little for SETI too. People believe that if there was a discovery that it would be public immediately. I don't thing so however. The truth
for what some of these military and even private agencies like SETI are finding are beyond the understanding of 99% of the population, and it is not
just a question of life. It hasn't been for some time I think. Because what has been found denotes a new paradigm for what we call the Universe or
even reality. Implications are so profound so as to undermine all our belief systems and general ontological views. We ask why don't those who know
disclose the realities of UFOs, Aliens and paranormal phenomena they've found? Imagine finding out that most of what we know is wrong, about the
universe, reality and even our personal awareness. Conversely the realities also undermine our sheepish controllable knowledge, so the implications
would tell us our controlling entities are useless for anyone but themselves. The King is not only naked, he is a hologram.
I hope I answered some of your questions.
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