With Porn Filters Going Oh So Well, UK Roars Ahead In Expanding Them To Include 'Extremist' Conten

Bassago
reply to post by dreamingawake

 

You folks are in a deeper mess than we are in the US. Better get rid of that lunatic Cameron soon.

I get the sentiment, but your media is much more...sanitised...than ours is.

We've found that out over time with ATS Live, where I - or other British folks - have raised issues from around the world that never even got reported on US media sites - particularly to do with US foreign policy.

Your kids are also not - apparently - taught proper world history in schools either, and instead receive only a US-centric view of the world.

I don't think any government is covered in glory with this stuff really.

reply to post by stumason


Hi stu

[one of] the problems with the filter is that all traffic is routed through the filter, before the decision is applied. Therefore "strict" filters, could be applied before the end users has the opportunity to "opt in" to the content.

reply to post by dreamingawake


Couple of years ago they tried to introduce a porn filter. No doubt they will try again soon

reply to post by dreamingawake


Now, it should be noted that this filter can be turned off. We are not in the position of essentially having an automatically censored internet. We have control as users, over the content that we are exposed to. What I object to, it the possibility that at some point, sites like this might end up on the same filter list as some obscene flesh site. Whether or not one can turn it off or not, for a filter to have the ability to treat healthy political debate in the same was as it does porn sites, unfairly equates one with another, and will place a stigma upon internet users who want access to political discussion, making it easier to brand them as having questionable character, by association with the other content, which they will have potential access to, if they switch off the filter.

You can bet that switching off that filter, will register on some list somewhere, and that people on it will be more prone to having their data mined by the authorities, and all based on the fallacious notion, that wishing to have an unbiased and frank discussion on topics of the day, means that someone is also a malicious deviant and possible sexual predator.

However, ATS is not currently viewed as an extremist site, although there will no doubt be some move later on to put it, and other sites with a similar outlook, on that list. While we remain untroubled by being linked to all manner of deviancy however, I think we ought to keep a damned sharp eye on all this, because this could turn messy faster than a chocolate cake fight on a porn set!

I think that people need to put this in perspective.

At a country level child pornography and criminally obscene adult content is blocked in the UK, as it is in most civilised countries. I know this may annoy the child pornographer's, but tough. In addition, certain terrorist or extremist websites are blocked at the URL level. Again, the vast majority of people probably agree to this and do not see it as a restriction of the freedoms they hold dear.

Recent changes, under the umbrella of child protection et al, require ISPs to voluntarily implement filtering content, such as porno. A customer can opt out. We can all rant and rave about the fact that we can get our own filtering packages on our PCs, so this is unnecessary and an intrusion, or we can accept that this has failed an our children are becoming over sexualised and polluted by easy-to-access porn at too young an age. My 13 year old son has worked out how to bypass Net Nanny!

Personally, I agree with the country-level filtering. I also agree with the voluntary ISP opt in/out.

This is not the thin end of the wedge. It is not the path to dictatorship and China.

Regards

It's only a matter of time before dissent is silenced by the elites and NWO. You can't have people talking openly about how to fight the government, form militias, make zip guns, and how Obama is a closet queen.

Not to mention those skulls found in peru with DNA not from this planet.

marg6043
reply to post by dreamingawake

 

Well I thought that UK was a free country, I mean freedom of expression, whatever is the agenda behind the porn issue is was bound to be just an experiment, to see how much the powers could be extended.

Just like we have here in the US.





The UK has not been a free country since 1066, William the bastard made sure of that, yes, he was a bastard, in the genetic sense of the term, he was also known as William, duke of Normandy, Normandy got its name from the Norsemen (AKA Vikings) who settled there.

They have blocked almost every P2P/BitTorrent site in the uk, I can only access them now with a proxy app in Fire Fox.

reply to post by NeoSpace


No, they haven't. They have made it harder, but you don't need a proxy to do it. Only last week, I typed in "American Dad S11E01 eztv" etc and the second link on Google gave me my torrent.

But, to be fair, surely you shouldn't be pirating anyway

sparky31
reply to post by Bassago

 

oh trust me cameron will be gone in the next election............i guarantee it

Don't think i have hated a politician more than that twat.. I really really despise him and his bunch of
ordinary people hating scum munchers..

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR:

The filter provided by my ISP (Talktalk) can be enabled/disabled at any time. Why anyone would be daft enough to enable it is beyond me.

Its not always as simple as just disabling filters of this kind.

I used to be with t-mobile as a cell carrier, and they were blocking eBuddy as "adult content" because in theory it could be used to distribute image files. I called them to get the adult content block lifted and the only way they'd remove the block would be if I made a £1 payment by credit card to "prove" I was over 18, and it had to be a credit card. A debit card was not acceptable as minors can get debit cards.

Since at the time I was technically bankrupt, and coiuldn't get a credit card, I took my passport, and other documents in to a t-mobile store, and they STILL refused to lift the block. The £1 credit card payment was the only way forwards.

In the end, as soon as I was out of minimum conntract, I went over to Tesco Mobile who aren't such idiots (and have UK based call centers).

Anyway, the point I'm making is that turning off the filter may or may not be a trivial issue, depending on how much of a knucklehead your ISP wants to be.

marg6043
reply to post by dreamingawake

 

Well I thought that UK was a free country, I mean freedom of expression, whatever is the agenda behind the porn issue is was bound to be just an experiment, to see how much the powers could be extended.

Just like we have here in the US.

we are not free,we are subjects of the crown.

reply to post by dreamingawake


Incrementallism, they just need an excuse to get their feet in the door.

Battleline
This is kind of scary, if they have found a way to block what ever they(who ever they are) want then anyone who does not agree with the controlling agenda will be blocked.

In America that would be the progressive liberal agenda.

Actually, this is a little bit of an exaggeration. They have not simply "found a way". The way was always there. It was well known HOW it would be done, in theory, if it were to ever happen. Their technique here isn't some kind of magical brainwashing that fools people into not understanding what's happening.

The problem here is that people just don't care. Everyone with half a brain KNOWS darn well what's happening with this agenda and they just don't give a damn. Now why people don't care is anybody's best guess. I would guess that most people just have terrible judgment. They're not necessarily stupid. It's just that people tend not to learn not to do dumb or risky things until they get a personal education in the consequences.

It's like the guy who drinks and drives. He knows it's a terrible idea. He knows WHY it's a terrible idea. But he lacks good judgment so he does it anyway. He'll probably keep doing it until he either gets into a horrible accident, gets arrested and decides to stop while he's ahead or he might get lucky and never have to learn. But whatever happens, he will probably have to learn the hard way.

If you look back at all the countries that have had experiences with dictatorships and totalitarianism and censorship and all that fun stuff, you see that it wasn't like there weren't any clear warning signs. It's not like absolutely no one knew what could happen, what WAS happening or what was going to happen. It is that the majority of people ignored the warnings. They didn't care. Or perhaps they just had really poor judgment. They didn't really think the consequences could be very severe.

And possibly, some people even thought what was happening was good. Maybe people who are easily offended are all for censorship regardless of what motives the censors may have. Maybe they don't think about the motives. Maybe if they do think about the motives they think it's worth it because they still don't think anything bad will come of it. They think the only people who will be negatively affected by it are people they dislike, disagree with or are offended by.

And even some of the countries where you'd think people should have learned by now, you can see that they really haven't. Again, it's a matter of personal experience. If you didn't experience it yourself, "never again" might not be such a high priority for you.

reply to post by symptomoftheuniverse


Nice! So are we! Apparently, some people are still under the mis-guided impression tthat the U.S.A., as it exists, right now, is a "free" country! The Lord and Ladies are very smart. In this country, they created something called the "patriot" act, and the "DHS" to combat something called "terrorism" a completely nonn-existent and non-sequitor threat to our "so called" national security. end game. they own us, and we're STUPID enough to keep voting for them! it's almost if we all belong to a union or something! Now that's t what I call "pornographic" ! Speaking of which, I've had enough of ATS for now. time for some porn !

reply to post by tencap77


I'm actually surprised they haven't gone after porn in the US yet. My guess is they're at least waiting until after the midterms, since the Democrats know damn well a large portion of their base are no doubt porn viewers. Once that's over with, all bets are off.

Anyway, the Democrats are certainly just as big a threat to anyone who likes porn as the Republicans when you consider the fact that they obviously think of it as thoughtcrime. Especially the hardcore feminists.

Official who drew up guidelines for British Internet filters arrested on child porn charges

A senior aide to British Prime Minister David Cameron has resigned after being arrested on suspicion of child pornography offenses, Downing Street confirmed Monday.

Patrick Rock, 62, was arrested by officers from the National Crime Agency last month.

“On the evening of February 12, Downing Street was first made aware of a potential offence relating to child abuse imagery,” said a Downing Street spokesman.

-Raw Story