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The only problem is, there isn't just one gnostic sect that has one set of answers. Its about seeing, knowing, understanding, comprehending ancient writings and texts. There is a pure gnosis, void of all groups and organization, that is what all seekers would be developing.
You see, you're still sticking on the point of a "demiurge" - and I am not.
I am referring to the ancient notion of looking within.
So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. (Matthew 6:31-33 NIV)
Yes, Jesus brought "gnosis", but so did Paul, Pliny, Josephus, Nero and pretty much everyone else in existence.
Well in a sense alot of the gnostic is the tao, especially the transformation/ascending, alschemist. Both the Tao alchemy and Christ spoke of the precious pearl and the kingdome of heaven is within.
Now - do you believe that accepting 'revelation' (belief acquired via others) is superior to 'personal knowledge' gained by introspection and thought?
In addition, where evidence exists, it is foolish to dismiss it without a valid reason and rely on one's own opinion. That behaviour is endemic here on ATS, and it's one of the reasons that I don't participate as much as I once did.
In all my time here (nearly 3 years!), and all my time before I arrived here, I have yet to see "evidence" that the Bible is worth 'reverence', or anywhere near 'the Truth.' I just simply don't trust it. Don't believe I ever can, as a matter of fact.
the religion that Jesus professed to, and which Christianity is based upon, is intentionally and deeply non-dualistic.
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
The problem with that is that, as regards Jesus' life and teachings, it's the only source of information that came be reasonably counted on (setting aside the Catholic church's belief in later revelation,) and so any discussion about him that rejected the Bible would be a pretty short one.
But when Christ appeared as a high priest gof the good things that have come,5 then through hthe greater and more perfect tent (inot made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12 he jentered konce for all into the holy places, not by means of lthe blood of goats and calves but mby means of his own blood,
Thus it was necessary for gthe copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places hmade with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God ion our behalf.
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, "'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.'
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.
If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple.
There are no places God cannot be
adjensenYes, Jesus brought "gnosis", but so did Paul, Pliny, Josephus, Nero and pretty much everyone else in existence.
wildtimesYAY!!!I'm very glad we've established a common ground, then.
Thank you. Muchly.Now - do you believe that accepting 'revelation' (belief acquired via others) is superior to 'personal knowledge' gained by introspection and thought?
There is Christ and the Anti-Christ.
There is Heaven and there is Hell.
There is God and there is Satan.