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Yup think thats were alot of you tough die hards are going wrong.
One man with a AR-15 wont last long against a whole band armed with the same.
You can be as manly and as strong as you like but get into a wrong fight and your dead. Even a simple injury could be fatal.
Me I said run, run and avoid. I got 5 years survival in the test.
It's better to protect what you've got and take a stand because the alternative is grim for many.
reply to post by nenothtu
Where are these towns that you guys live in to of not seen this type of behaviour in people ?
Do you have any crime at all in your town, despite having laws and enforcement ?
Well unless you have NO crime at all, then that behaviour is present where you live.
Sure, there were rogues and "bad men" present, but not in any great numbers, or to the extent they are present where I live now, for example, in spite of the apparent lack of "law and order".
And what happens to your town if it survives an Apocalypse and gets over run by groups or gangs of lawless people with their own agenda ?
You may not of seen these people where you live now, but we are talking about AFTER an Apocalypse and what or who is to say that your town won't then come across these people AFTER an apocalypse ?
You might not see this behaviour where you live now, but after an Apocalypse those people WILL find you, and they WILL take from you whatever they can to help them survive.
Have a look at all the footage of every natural disaster in your own country, and watch how the looters are always the first on the scene until the authorities arrive.
But that's the catch, after an Apocalypse there is no police or military or authority until one maybe becomes re-established, but in the meantime it is complete lawlessness and chaos. And those creating the chaos will continue doing so due to there not being any authority.
This will then lead to "vigilante groups" forming to enforce their own version or law and order, but who gives those people the authority ?
Seriously but guys, we have people killing another person for $5 change, or for their shoes, or because they looked at them the wrong way. But somehow you don't think that those people will survive an Apocalypse and then take full advantage of the new lawless world they live in. And those people will have no issue in going through your town and taking whatever they want. Look at how many people still break the law despite the law and the punishment being public knowledge. If so many people don't care about laws or consequences before an Apocalypse, then what do you honestly think will happen after an Apocalypse with no law or order ?
I don't know how much you've travelled, and I wouldn't call myself a world traveller, but I have seen enough in human behaviour to know that in the event of an Apocalypse, with no law and order, you WILL see the worst in human kind long before you see it's best.
And remember, you may not have this behaviour where you live, but in the event of an Apocalypse, you will be travelling over vast areas in search of food and water and very likely to come across the people that do show the behaviour you don't see in you current town.
But that's the thing with an Apocalypse, it then brings out the normal law abiding citizens who would break a law if they knew there would be no punishment. After an Apocalypse there is no immediate ruling law, and those that only feared punishment will then also become what society, pre-Apocalypse called, criminals, rebels, outlaws, savages etc. You might not of seen these people in your towns now, but they will be more than revealing themselves to you in the event of an Apocalypse.
reply to post by ChuckNasty
I always wondered if just covering yourself with styro-foam would fool FLIR.
"I was at a speaking engagement for MIT ... and I said ... the Professor has all sorts of degrees, including one from this very institution (MIT)! And that's why I can make a radio out of a coconut, and not fix a hole in a boat."
reply to post by DarksideOz
but wait, you've said that there have been other (small "a") apocalypses in the past- so it's NOT the end of the world? see what I mean? and if you are talking about the biblical type then I'm still not sure what you mean. you keep talking about the after effects yet you aren't specific with what actually HAPPENED to make people start going crazy. CME with resulting grid collapse? partial grid collapse for a long time? totally global, total grid collapse for a short time like a year or two? massive Earth impact but not extinction level hits the Pacific? Atlantic? Antarctica? Be specific in what actually STARTS this global or even semi-global apocalypse, please. And we can go from there otherwise you just sound silly and you are putting words in my mouth.
And I've never heard of a localised Apocalypse. Most Apocalypses usually refer to a worldwide problem.
I have on several occasions explained to you what HAPPENED to make people to start going crazy. The human behaviour that already exists now, added to what it would be like after an Apocalypse with no laws, no rules, no police, no military.
reply to post by ChuckNasty
I scored twenty years.... No military training, lol.
And the only big group of preppers I know belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Actually I think the Amish would do quite well (is that the same?) but cool link thanks!
Me I got 5 years but in practice wouldn't expect anything like that. Plus no one knows how they would be affected mentally. I think a lot of people would self destruct in one way or another.edit on 26-1-2014 by starchild10 because: (no reason given)
Got 20 Years, but I think I know why.
For one, I live for my 2 little girls, That is the single most important reason to stay alive.
For two, (Laugh it up) I was a Girl Scout, and my grandmother was the one teaching the nature trail, so I know plenty about plants and animals. If you don't know the answer to the moss question, you should probably get outside more.
For three, my family talks without all the social media junk. We are close (I assumed all families were?) and Do not need phones or other communications to know where to find each other.
On a side note, I choose my fights wisely and only fight when I don't have a choice. If someone wants to do something stupid, let them, unless they force their stupidity on my family, in which case I feel bad for them.
reply to post by ChuckNasty
Yikes. I read the book first, then saw the movie. No, thanks.
If I did the 20 (oh yeah, I can also read maps and know moss grows on the north side of trees here) I'd live to be 75. By that age it wouldn't be 'fun' at all...