Government Size Chart

This is the most accurate chart to determine the right and the left based on government size in America. Let me know what you think.

amfirst1
This is the most accurate chart to determine the right and the left based on government size in America. Let me know what you think.

well...I like it but anarchists can be left or right leaning.....they are just different types....

I see myself as near right anarchist....just past tea party and libertarian

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I never understood the left anarchist because anarchist don't believe in government for the most part.

I'd switch the positions of Green Party and Tea Party; I don't think people who are worried about the environment are nearly as restrictive of freedoms as those who want to tell other people what they can do in their own bedrooms, who can marry who and what religion needs to be promoted in public schools.

And yeah, I realize everyone has a different take on any given 'party'.

Love the logos on the elephant and donkey though.

Firstly, you are basing communism/socialism/marxism on the failed attempts of the past, and current disgraceful so called "communists". If you are doing a chart on ideology based on political science definition then this chart is inaccurate.

Maxism (utopian socialism), ultimately is based on utopia, the general bases being socialism would lead to communism, communism to marxism (utopian socialism), that is a world, or state completely free of government.

A lot of scholars will argue anarchism as even a political ideology, simply as they have no platform other than generally the typical, no government, do what you want, with no plan to get there, or how to achieve it. Where an ideology like marxism is based on a social platform, where everyone, and everything would have a place, and commitment to its people, community etc.

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That would be hard to do because Republicans all believe that abortion should be restricted, so they all fall in the same category. However, the mainstream republicans are big government and really aren't conservatives. They are more progressives.

Tea Party are more fiscal conservatives. However, they are more religious so that's why they are a little further to the left of the Libertarians. Even though some of them really don't focus too much on abortion but prefer for the states to decide what's best for themselves.

The green party believes the government should take care of people, so that would require a larger government.

amfirst1
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I never understood the left anarchist because anarchist don't believe in government for the most part.

Yeah....I am with ya....I read an article about it and it made sense at the time.....don't recall where or by whom.....sorry

Walkingsenseless
Firstly, you are basing communism/socialism/marxism on the failed attempts of the past, and current disgraceful so called "communists". If you are doing a chart on ideology based on political science definition then this chart is inaccurate.

Maxism (utopian socialism), ultimately is based on utopia, the general bases being socialism would lead to communism, communism to marxism (utopian socialism), that is a world, or state completely free of government.

A lot of scholars will argue anarchism as even a political ideology, simply as they have no platform other than generally the typical, no government, do what you want, with no plan to get there, or how to achieve it. Where an ideology like marxism is based on a social platform, where everyone, and everything would have a place, and commitment to its people, community etc.

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a common mistake made by wannabe commies is to say it has never been tried correctly....that really it is just some warm and fuzzy Communalism .... but Communalism has to degrade as Socialism does into the Communism that we all know and well....you seem to love?

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Interesting thought. Even more interesting is 2 peoples who ideology is different, yet they both want the same thing. lack of to no government.

amfirst1
This is the most accurate chart to determine the right and the left based on government size in America. Let me know what you think.

That's about right.

Anything (Social or Economic) resembling Authoritarian / Totalitarian is Leftist.

The "Tea Party" may be a bit more to the right. Depends on who's "Tea Party" is compared.

And there is no such animal as "Left Wing Anarchy".

amfirst1
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I never understood the left anarchist because anarchist don't believe in government for the most part.

Any anarchist that believes in government (almost exclusively small government) is actually Minarchist by definition and not an anarchist.
At least such is my understanding.

-Peace-

Why people keep thinking there is a left/right Gvt. is beyond me.

They are all the same and the choice we have is an illusion to make us think we have a choice.

It also keeps us Divided when we all really want the same things...

Peace

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Maxism (utopian socialism), ultimately is based on utopia, the general bases being socialism would lead to communism, communism to marxism (utopian socialism), that is a world, or state completely free of government.

Not to get to philosophical, but

Did Marx or Engles actually outline that in any books or papers?

If so, how did they "solve" the human psychological dilemmas of hunt, compete, and control?

jude11
Why people keep thinking there is a left/right Gvt. is beyond me.

They are all the same and the choice we have is an illusion to make us think we have a choice/

Peace

Maybe that's why the picture in the OP has both major American parties at left of center.

And there would certainly be some big differences in 'choice' between a total authoritarian government vs. a very localized limited government.

xuenchen
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Maxism (utopian socialism), ultimately is based on utopia, the general bases being socialism would lead to communism, communism to marxism (utopian socialism), that is a world, or state completely free of government.

 

Not to get to philosophical, but

Did Marx or Engles actually outline that in any books or papers?

If so, how did they "solve" the human psychological dilemmas of hunt, compete, and control?

Hey xuenchen, I may not make much sense because its late, but I'll attempt to write something slightly meaningful here.

Marx was actually complicated, he bounced from one theory to another, at one time he denounced socialism,communism, and utopian socialism. Engles in fact is the man behind scientific socialism. When reading a lot of Marx and Engles literature you have to read a lot in between the lines, and keep in mind at what period of life (Marx especially) was in when he was writing, as depending on the time was depending if he was currently writing pre or post certain views.

Engles, from the few books I had to read on him during studies did not write anything (what I can remember) on the human condition. However, Marx did write on the human condition, but not much in terms on phycological (although given, it would have been interesting). I remember one Political Science professor who did write a book, I just remember his first name was Norman, I will try to look it up if your interested.

I will clarify, I was wrong on my OP when I called Marxism utopian socialism, this is simply a habit, as that is what I believe marxism is, pre is denunciation of the term, or ideals.

That chart is all over the place. The following video does some justice in how political systems have changed or been modified…And also present the same idea, but with supporting opinion. I believe the chart is referencing the ideas in the video, except that it's highly out of context since there is a lot of dialogue that goes along with the chart, in the video.

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Thanks for the reply.

I think a lot of Marx / Engles is subject to interpretation.

Discussion is helpful.

Some theories talk about Marx being a base for global banking and corporatism.

Anything's possible.

xuenchen
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Thanks for the reply.

I think a lot of Marx / Engles is subject to interpretation.

Discussion is helpful.

Some theories talk about Marx being a base for global banking and corporatism.

Anything's possible.

Absolutely Marx and Engles work is massively open to interpretation, I agree with you 100%, honestly, I found the pair of them of great interest during my studies, and had many long debates on both on their theories.

Their theory behind Marx being a base for global banking and corporatism, is actually new to me. I will have to look delve into this tomorrow when I awake

reply to post by jude11


That's why Democrats and Republicans are next to each other. There is not much difference. At least the modern day Republicans ever since the Neo Cons took over the party, it turned them more leftists.

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This is a good video. Although, I think a constitutional republic which is a LIMITED government should be center to the right. That would give the masses more power than the government, instead of equal powers.