I Need To Get This Off My Chest

darkbake
reply to post by whitewave

 

Ah I agree on this point. I'm still not sure if I was accurate in determining the O.P.'s post - Game of Thrones has fairly graphic sex scenes, by the way -

Its not just gay sex, its all things gay. I'll admit it. I don't agree with it. I believe everyone should be free to express themselves however they see fit, (as long as we're not running around naked and having sex in the streets) but my belief system has absolutely no effect on my initial reactions to gay behavior.

darkbake
So having gay sex increased the bonds with your fellow armed men and thus your strength in battle.

Not strong enough apparently, or maybe the bond was too strong, leading to the false sense of superiority that got them all killed in the end.

Bone75

Its not just gay sex, its all things gay. I'll admit it. I don't agree with it. I believe everyone should be free to express themselves however they see fit, (as long as we're not running around naked and having sex in the streets) but my belief system has absolutely no effect on my initial reactions to gay behavior.

edit on 20-1-2014 by Bone75 because: (no reason given)

You believe in God, you believe in love, you believe there is a natural order, all these things have the same stuff in common; faith. I don't know you but they are related and do affect eachother. Become anti-gay and your faith will increase and so you will be closer to whatever you believe in, God, Allah, Buddha, apples and pears. I would want completely seperated apples and pears myself where everyone knows who does what, to become specialists but also to compliment eachother. But some people want apples to taste like pears and go to lenghts to prove it, it's the idea they have to be validated by others, including me, or accepted what bothers me. You do not accept them, they might notice and before you know it you're the bad guy and you have to bring up the subject or go away knowing those people will not have as much fun as they could have.

But if you keep on pretending there's no opinion, or you just go with the flow you might end up going in someone else's flow forever to hell.

reply to post by Bone75


Gay kids commit suicide because of family making comments their whole life and not being supportive.

To get to the point of hating yourself on that level happens as a result of #ty family, #ty schools, and #ty support systems.

I was home schooled and think public schools are trash. I plan on homeschooling my brood. I am also a lesbian so I will not make negative comments of gays, if they did turn out to be they'd know they can have support from family regardless of how the people out there behave.

I would never give a pill to change how someone is just to conform to social illness. No more than I would give my child a pill that would make them be in love with irrational statism and blind patriotic viewpoints just because the world is controlled by abusive governments.

There's nothing bad about being in love with someone of the same sex. What's bad is the social illness that taunts, isolates, and belittles people to the point they think suicide is a better option than living with the bull#.

darkbake
reply to post by whitewave

 

Ancient Greece accepted homosexuality and was very successful - in fact, a lot of our current Democracy is based on Greece. The Greeks had great mathematicians like Pythagoras and Euclid - as well as great philosophers like Plato and Aristotle -

Where is all this Hatred and Ignorance in the name of the Lord coming from? It is a stain on His Honor. I hate to break it to you guys, but Ignorance and Hatred aren't gonna get you into Heaven any faster...

edit on 19pmSun, 19 Jan 2014 22:59:59 -0600kbpmkAmerica/Chicago by darkbake because: (no reason given)

If you like Greece so much then why not go to an island. That's what they had, Lesbos. This could be the start of a huge exodus kind of thing where all gays unite and go to an island and found their own state where they can do as they like, for example trying to rewrite history so it suits their needs and teach it to their children.

reply to post by OrphanApology

I respect your position and I whole-heartedly agree with most of what you just said, but I have another question...

Given the reality of the world you just spoke about, would you be opposed to me using such a treatment on my child? Would you deny me the right to spare my child from all the bullying and bull# that gay people often have to endure?

spiritspeak

darkbake
reply to post by whitewave

 

Ancient Greece accepted homosexuality and was very successful - in fact, a lot of our current Democracy is based on Greece. The Greeks had great mathematicians like Pythagoras and Euclid - as well as great philosophers like Plato and Aristotle -

Where is all this Hatred and Ignorance in the name of the Lord coming from? It is a stain on His Honor. I hate to break it to you guys, but Ignorance and Hatred aren't gonna get you into Heaven any faster...

edit on 19pmSun, 19 Jan 2014 22:59:59 -0600kbpmkAmerica/Chicago by darkbake because: (no reason given)

If you like Greece so much then why not go to an island. That's what they had, Lesbos. This could be the start of a huge exodus kind of thing where all gays unite and go to an island and found their own state where they can do as they like, for example trying to rewrite history so it suits their needs and teach it to their children.

edit on 20-1-2014 by spiritspeak because: (no reason given)

We were having a perfectly civilized conversation until you just butted in with your hate speech. I'd appreciate it if you would take that garbage somewhere else. God said to love your neighbor as you love yourself, He didn't didn't say "unless they're gay".

reply to post by Bone75


Well like psychiatric medicine and everything else, whatever you do with your body during a pregnancy is your business. Women have the right to control their own bodies and what goes in them.

Same with children. I do not agree with people pumping their children full of add medications just because they are being unnaturally forced to sit down in state daycare(school) but again it is not something that the state is good at changing the behavior of. Parents control the choice to over medicate their children more often then not. It is their choice.

If I had neighbors I would make establish relationships with them as I try to do these days. Ridding the world of differences just because you think it would make things easier is very sad. There are many differences among us that would be easier if suddenly they didn't exist.

That's like saying would you give your kid a pill to be white in the sixties because it would spare them the hardship of being treated like #.

I do not believe state law is the tool that would change someone giving a pill to their child to turn them into their idea of the perfect social clone. The best tools in that case would be establishing relationships and trying to lead by example. If it that point they still turned their kids into the child version of the stepford wives then at least I know I did my part.

Also, sorry for any confusion in writing. I am tired. I will revisit this topic tomorrow. Thank you for discussion.

darkbake
reply to post by whitewave

 

Ancient Greece accepted homosexuality and was very successful - in fact, a lot of our current Democracy is based on Greece. The Greeks had great mathematicians like Pythagoras and Euclid - as well as great philosophers like Plato and Aristotle -

Where is all this Hatred and Ignorance in the name of the Lord coming from? It is a stain on His Honor. I hate to break it to you guys, but Ignorance and Hatred aren't gonna get you into Heaven any faster...

edit on 19pmSun, 19 Jan 2014 22:59:59 -0600kbpmkAmerica/Chicago by darkbake because: (no reason given)

It's not hatred of the person or persons.....I think Christians say it is a hatred of an "act" that they view as sin. Something they see as immoral.....if they believe that some "act" is immoral then it is their duty to chastise it and "hate" it.....

but I don't know any Christians that openly hate some person or group of persons.....I think that would be against the whole "love thy neighbor" thing......

OrphanApology
reply to post by Bone75

 

Gay kids commit suicide because of family making comments their whole life and not being supportive.

To get to the point of hating yourself on that level happens as a result of #ty family, #ty schools, and #ty support systems.

I was home schooled and think public schools are trash. I plan on homeschooling my brood. I am also a lesbian so I will not make negative comments of gays, if they did turn out to be they'd know they can have support from family regardless of how the people out there behave.

I would never give a pill to change how someone is just to conform to social illness. No more than I would give my child a pill that would make them be in love with irrational statism and blind patriotic viewpoints just because the world is controlled by abusive governments.

There's nothing bad about being in love with someone of the same sex. What's bad is the social illness that taunts, isolates, and belittles people to the point they think suicide is a better option than living with the bull#.

conform to social illness??

I am a guy....I have guy friends whom I love. Not gay yet right?

I am a guy...I have guy friends whom I love and I decide to live with them. Still not gay right?

I am a guy...I have guy friends whom I love and I decide to live with them and I want to have sex with them..... now I am gay right? So being gay is a sexual thing....it is based off of the final cog of sex.

I am a married man.....I find lots of women I meet to be attractive....no harm in that until I decide to introduce sex into the picture.....then I would just be a cheating scum bag.

Some disgusting back woods farmer might find his sheep attractive but no harm no foul until he decides to introduce the actual act of sex into the formula.

Some scum bag "possible" child rapist may say he was born that way and just always has found kids attractive.....his cross to bare until he decides to act upon his sexual desires. Then it becomes an issue.

Some medical student may find he is sexually attracted to cadavers......weird and disgusting to those of us that are socially ill but no harm no foul until he decides to act upon his desires.

the act of gay sex is the issue here.....not loving someone that is the same sex or even living with them or starting a business with them or spending every minute of the day with them.....but once same sex.....sex.....is introduced....then it is right up there with sex with children, sex with dead people, sex with relatives, sex with animals.....it is unnatural and disgusting.......sorry.

Let the attacks begin.....3...2...1...

reply to post by UxoriousMagnus


You are stating that two grown men consenting to sex with each other is comparable to raping babies?

Ignoring the obvious trolling that is your whole post. The lack of rationality exuded in your statements is staggering to say the least. What two grown men or two grown women do with each other is their choice. Not yours, not the government..

Theirs and theirs alone.

Animals do not have a choice. They cannot talk, they cannot sign legal documents, and they cannot give consent.
Children do not have a choice. They cannot sign legal documents and they cannot give consent. If young enough, they cannot talk.
Carcasses do not have a choice. They cannot talk, they cannot sign legal documents, and they cannot give consent.

This will be my only response to you.

OrphanApology
reply to post by UxoriousMagnus

 

You are stating that two grown men consenting to sex with each other is comparable to raping babies?

Ignoring the obvious trolling that is your whole post. The lack of rationality exuded in your statements is staggering to say the least. What two grown men or two grown women do with each other is their choice. Not yours, not the government..

Theirs and theirs alone.

Animals do not have a choice. They cannot talk, they cannot sign legal documents, and they cannot give consent.
Children do not have a choice. They cannot sign legal documents and they cannot give consent. If young enough, they cannot talk.
Carcasses do not have a choice. They cannot talk, they cannot sign legal documents, and they cannot give consent.

This will be my only response to you.

not saying I should be able to tell two adults what to do.....not saying it should have legal ramifications.....just letting you know what 97% of us think of the other 3%. That's all.

Can a 30 year old and a 27 year old adult "sign documents" and consent to having a sexual relationship even though they are brother and sister?

Your "legal document" argument is a little childish and silly but that is ok. Your ending comment of "this will be my only response to you" shows you don't want to talk about the difficult issues of my "social illness" and again is a little childish and silly but quite ok with me.......good luck with what ever you do behind your closed doors.

UxoriousMagnus

the act of gay sex is the issue here.....not loving someone that is the same sex or even living with them or starting a business with them or spending every minute of the day with them.....but once same sex.....sex.....is introduced....then it is right up there with sex with children, sex with dead people, sex with relatives, sex with animals.....it is unnatural and disgusting.......sorry.

Let the attacks begin.....3...2...1...

Actually, I'm really glad you brought that up and cleared it up. Even though I'm not necessarily on your side of the issue - that's good clarification.

reply to post by Bone75


Actually, there is no way, in this modern era, to separate ones dislike of any particular sexual practice (or what used to be called deviancy) from the religious conventions which used to dictate our understanding of companionship. You can say that you believe your dislike, and that of your atheist friend are nothing to do with those things, but you cannot prove it, because to so suggest is false.

Just as our understanding of morality comes from ancient rights of passage, just as our modern laws are the bastard child of ancient justice, so our understanding of sexual morality will always be influenced to some degree by the attitudes of our ancestors, and indeed the collective, cumulative effect of those things on the population, those around us. To be immune to that influence is to be sociopathic.

Personally speaking, I reckon that every human being has free will, and what they do with it is their business, and that goes just as much for straight folk as homosexuals. I do not want to see a man and a woman making love, or going beyond the realms of decency, either on my television, or out and about. I do not want to see a man and a man, or a woman and a woman doing these things either, nor any combination thereof. I want EVERYONES sexuality to be kept private and chaste like it is bloody well ought to be, where it MEANS something, where it is not FLAUNTED and made gaudy and ugly by its constantly being crammed down our throats in media, advertising, and God alone knows where else.

I would like to live in a world where EVERYONES sexual practices, whether straight, gay, involving trees in an unhealthy manner, or done exclusively while also being on fire, were PRIVATE matters, not to be discussed at the bus stop, televised, recorded and displayed on the internet. The very fact that anyone knows, what anyone else is up to in that regard, frankly appalls me, and always has done. Is nothing sacred to ANYONE any more?

Are you disgusted at just the thought of 'men' doing the dirty deed or does the thought of two women repulse you as well? Because most men about 99.99% percent think when two women get into a arguement, at some point in time their gonna kiss and rip off some clothes and go for it. Social conditioning ..we all suffer from it.

reply to post by Bone75


I used to share your mindset.

One day, you will realise that homosexuality is not a threat to your existence and you'll be more tolerant.

You are not homosexual. Nobody is forcing you to be homosexual, or watch (or imagine) gay sex.

Contrary to the common misconceptions of many homophobic individuals, homosexuality is not a threat to heterosexuals - it is actually complementary: less competition to attract the affections of women and better for population stabilisation.

TrueBrit
reply to post by Bone75

 

Personally speaking, I reckon that every human being has free will, and what they do with it is their business, and that goes just as much for straight folk as homosexuals. I do not want to see a man and a woman making love, or going beyond the realms of decency, either on my television, or out and about. I do not want to see a man and a man, or a woman and a woman doing these things either, nor any combination thereof. I want EVERYONES sexuality to be kept private and chaste like it is bloody well ought to be, where it MEANS something, where it is not FLAUNTED and made gaudy and ugly by its constantly being crammed down our throats in media, advertising, and God alone knows where else.

I would like to live in a world where EVERYONES sexual practices, whether straight, gay, involving trees in an unhealthy manner, or done exclusively while also being on fire, were PRIVATE matters, not to be discussed at the bus stop, televised, recorded and displayed on the internet. The very fact that anyone knows, what anyone else is up to in that regard, frankly appalls me, and always has done. Is nothing sacred to ANYONE any more?

star for you!

I like to see every one as a 'person' an 'individual', and am totally disinterested in

their sexual preferences and what goes on behind closed doors, and I expect the

same respect given to me.

What I do object to and this is to all varieties of sexuality is the "exhibitionism"

that is often displayed in public. Don't get me wrong I love to see people's happiness

when they meet up hugs and kisses ..... what I don't want to see is them getting to

foreplay exchange of bodily fluid etc. stage which is where the "exhibitionism"

comes in. Where has modesty gone?


"Exhibitionism" as (defined in dictionary) conspicuous behaviour intended to

attract attention, it is considered a psychological disorder

many psychiatric definitations of exhibitionism broadly define it as "sexual

gratification, above and beyond the sexual act itself, that is achieved by risky

public sexual activity and/or bodily exposure." It can also include engaging in

sexual activity where one may possibly be caught in the act.


So can we just have ordinary CARNIVALS etc. and drop the ' gay pride'

thing .... let us ALL be proud!! I'm sure this is where some of the

problems arise? and goes on to become a self fulfilling prophecy?

reply to post by eletheia


Exactly.

The main problem I have at the moment, is that the fascination on the part of the vapid, empty headed readership of gossip columns, with what, and who celebrities are doing in their bedrooms, has metamorphosed into some sort of carte blanche to just discuss amongst themselves (at great volume), and exhibit their sexual preferences for everyone to see. I was bought up to believe that what happens between people who are in a sexual relationship, is NOT the business of all and sundry, but to be experienced and enjoyed by the participants alone.

Put another way, no matter whether a person happens to be straight or gay, ladies and gentlemen ought to be possessed of a certain amount of dignity and propriety, and that is sorely lacking in current society, segments of which take great joy in waving their recently abraded genitals in the face of the rest of us. Without wishing to sound like an old fuddy duddy at the young age of twenty eight years old, it is just not cricket, and I cannot stand it!

reply to post by Dark Ghost


But our children are being taught to experiment with homosexuality in elementary school . How can you justify that ? How can that happen and it does .

reply to post by TrueBrit




LOL!! ... I can claim to be an old fuddy duddy, because I am, but I can honestly

say that it's done me no harm.


Despite the fact that we are at different ends of the age spectrum, I think we are

on the same wave length!


Celebrities apart, I feel that the youth of today are missing out on so much, they are

being pushed to the destination, and missing out on the journey there .......


Its oft' been said "The journey is more important than the destination"


I'm all for bringing back dignity, respect and modesty