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How do you convince people that don't believe in angels,demons,ghosts,shadow people etc?

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posted on Jan, 3 2014 @ 11:14 PM
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BELIEVERpriest

Ive seen these entities for myself, so I know God and Satan are real. Once contact is established, only faith in Jesus Christ can protect you from the demons.


Only Jesus Christ?
Would you say...stake your 'soul' on that claim since you are willing to perpetuate others down this road?
I am not debating you here I am simply seeing how you respond when you put your "money is where your mouth is".




posted on Jan, 3 2014 @ 11:15 PM
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I believe there may be beings that people refer to as Angels. There may also be Demons. As far as ghosts, I don't know if they exist, but cannot say they don't. You have to remember that maybe the angels and demons are acting as ghosts. Maybe when we die our essence and spirit is absorbed into the earth.

I haven't seen any proof that these beings do not exist, only the denials of people that they do not exist because there is not enough evidence to prove they exist beyond a shadow of a doubt. I don't believe we have to know how they can exist to admit they exist either, a requirement science has is that their existence has to be explained. How can you explain something that most people can not even comprehend in the first place?



posted on Jan, 3 2014 @ 11:19 PM
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They exist.. But I can't prove it to you. Just like if everyone were blind, and I could see, I couldn't prove I could see either. But I can tell you what I've seen is real.
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posted on Jan, 3 2014 @ 11:21 PM
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Cows11
They exist.. But I can't prove it to you. Just like if everyone were blind, and I could see, I couldn't prove it to them either. But I can tell you what I've seen is real.


That's a start but like with Aliens, there is a mountain of evidence. We would need more than just your testimony or at least your direction for us to follow into learning more about them.



posted on Jan, 3 2014 @ 11:28 PM
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These beings are not bound by the 4 dimensions. Theyre most prominent on the astral plane. They are the ones perpetuating the notion of 'extra terrestrials' in the popular sense of the word. These creatures are both celestrial and terrestrial by will. Theyve inhabited earth and many other planets before the creation of man, and now that we are here, the dont like it. So they conspire with our leaders to herd us like cattle.

Most of my experiences with demons borders on a nightmarish pychedelic feeling. But, they often attack me, my wife, brother and grandmother in sychronized attacks across vast distances. Its too complicated to be considered an accute episode of shared psychosis.

They always vanish dead in their tracks when I call on Jesus whether audibly or in thought. It never fails to put the attacks in remission. Its usually the discovery of sensitive knowlege that provokes the attacks in the first place.



posted on Jan, 3 2014 @ 11:28 PM
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To your question, a question my friend; Why would you try to convince anyone of anything? When I want to share knowledge, I do so. If the person receiving the info does not believe, then that is their problem. One can only present what one understands to be true, and hope that the one on the other end understands what your trying to convey.



posted on Jan, 3 2014 @ 11:30 PM
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The only thing that determines if something is real or not is your mind. In truly believing anything can come true. There are also other planes of existence and zillions of other dimensions/times etc which basically encompass anything and everything imaginable.

This was posted from another thread but its an interesting perspective on what's real and what's not and who you are... "I've had a few such experiences myself that gradually opened my consciousness to encompass and transcend everything eventually while only for a short while. However; the residual effects of those experiences have left me with easier access to knowing at times.

The slime mold maze experiment where a blob of mold finds the fastest way through a maze to a food source like the double slit experiment of quantum physics poses more questions than it answers if it answers any at all (perspective). From my experiences on different levels of consciousness starting on an atomic all the way up to universal and beyond I can tell you that everything possesses MIND and WILL. From an amoeba finding its way around a peatree dish to a star and any and all matter it all has a purpose driven desire and experiences the world around using whatever senses the god force has endowed upon it while always seeking harmony and homeostasis.

Everything is relative, there is no thing stand alone. The conscious desire of God was to have company due to feeling lonely. On the highest plane of "existence" there is Christ consciousness which is observed as a sphere of pure white light and orbiting around it similarly to Saturn's rings are SHARDS (Like broken Glass) of pure energy light particles glowing and pulsing radiant energy same as the sphere. After transcending this plane there becomes nothing, one is all alone and in fact one doesn't even seem to exist as if there isn't even ONE. There is a deadness, a quiet like nothing you could imagine. Then, one's mental visions return suddenly, and reappear from nothing like a hologram and you then realize all of the universe is your projection, that everything that has ever happened to you that you willed it, asked for it, wanted it. That you create what you want to dream, that you want to feel sadness, joy and misery equally fully. That you are eternal, infinite all knowing. And it feels amazing, you can move a star at your behest, change the colors of the street lights, set off every car alarm in the neighborhood. And it feels sad. Sad to know what you are, that you are alone, that this is just an illusion. And that you always wiill be.. forever and ever and there is no one to save you, no one can kill you and no one else is there to hear you. All there is, is you.

On the spirtual or mental plane( My ego is still young 23) I encountered an entity that many would call Satan. He was a sharp looking black man with a nice fade and short curly hair in a shimmering black business suit smoking a cigar in a huge hall with a checker patterned black and white floor. He showed me my various existences in other worlds/universes. I had a feeling like I known him forever. A lot of this was filled with tragedy. He showed me all the riches I ever could dream of some of the most amazingly cool and beautiful things that far transcend all the riches of this world. We came at last to some golden gates. Everything in these scenes was more fiery, more intense and brighter than anything of this world. His eyes burned red with fire but i was not afraid of him at all. But at these gates which were to me the gates of heaven and I could see paradise within (which was empty fyi there wasn't anyone there) he said "WE HAD A DEAL." Then my visions instantly changed to scary things. Rag dolls that oozed black blood and primitive weapons like axes and dark lines crawling through my vision. I stopped wanting to see it and it went away and that is when I saw the Ginormous sphere of pulsing white light.

Interestingly enough when the devil was showing me visions I saw Chris brown as a half red REPTILIAN demon like entity (it was like i could see beneath his skin) as well as a few other actors that aren't famous enough for me to know their names. I also recall seeing a futuristic planet with huge skyscrapers like new york except they looked metallic and were different colors like blue and red and shaped kind of like space rockets. On this planet they had transforming cars like the batmobile looking from the new movies that could fly and tv screens that had nothing solid to them and seemed to hover in the air and unlike projection screens the picture didnt reflect off the wall it. The image just stood by itself in thin air razor thin like you could walk around it or through it. The picture clarity of the movies was suuuuperb the sound was penetrating deep inside you like you were there when they filmed transformers.

And I saw the future developing through the many stages of cycles and each cycle spinning another cycle from itself like an exponentially growing quadratic equation in patterns and revolutions however. I saw the next best thing happening continually like this until everything reached an apex and at this point saw a golden flash appear off the apex of the cycle in my mind and then it was time for the cycle to begin finishing its circular revolution and RETURN to where it all BEGAN. I saw where my location was in this cycle and it was near maybe about 15-20 degrees from the peak or apex of the cycle where the golden flash had occurred.

If anyone has some stuff they'd like me to expand upon I'm sure I can remember more. It was a super enlightening experience that has allowed me to overcome all of my fears

I also encountered another entity that looked kind of like a NORDIC HE MAN
Words, symbols, gender, masonic history and the bible all came into clear focus.
I saw myself as a father disciplining a teenage son
A troublemaker in some futuristic police state being asked why I did something by a detective type who knew me personally(it was bad)
A Paul Walker looking guy in a badass silver whip looking at myself on a sunny day along a strip with palm trees in the side view mirror smirking
and more I'm sure

There was a general feeling that the older generations of people (or whatever race there's more than humans but they are similar) hold on to controlling things (like politics or businesses) far too long and in extreme instead of allowing the newer generations take over control as if they're too scared to let that happen and it creates serious problems and unnecessary misery.

On different planes there are different forces. Duality is HUGE on this one
I also noticed that as things become more complex and cooler they become more challenging and difficult and that simple things a lot of the time are easier, more relaxing and pleasing
I can sometimes read people like a red blood cell recognizes a white blood cells function in the body and understand everything in their nature as it relates

Most profound was my experience that I could be any creature, organism or the like at any point in time of the cyclic universe whenever i wanted like I could just leave this meat suit whenever I wanted but I felt as if I was exactly where I wanted to Be.

Pretty much thats my wild now told experience of spirituality and god

Namaste "



posted on Jan, 3 2014 @ 11:30 PM
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Cows11
They exist.. But I can't prove it to you. Just like if everyone were blind, and I could see, I couldn't prove it to them either. But I can tell you what I've seen is real.


That's a start but like with Aliens, there is a mountain of evidence. We would need more than just your testimony or at least your direction for us to follow into learning more about them.


That's true. Since you can see.. I could explain to you what I've seen. Wish I was good at making animations or videos, as I could show you what I saw!



posted on Jan, 3 2014 @ 11:36 PM
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Physical evidence is very hard to come by as experiences with these types of entities is highly personalized. It's good that you have an open mind and one could hardly blame you for being skeptical of that which you haven't experienced with your own senses. Perhaps the day will come when there is some type of mechanism to reveal their existence to others.

I guess that my answer to your question is that as of now, there really is no way to prove their existence to a non-believer, nor is there really a desire for believers to do so. I know that I believe in them because of my own life experiences and don't really feel the need to provide proof to others. That's not an indictment of your query; it just how I view the most appropriate answer.



posted on Jan, 3 2014 @ 11:38 PM
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It's all in your mind. Don't feed them those thoughts that's how they survive. Take away your energy from them and they vanish, live in fear languish.



posted on Jan, 3 2014 @ 11:40 PM
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TheDualityExperience

BELIEVERpriest

Ive seen these entities for myself, so I know God and Satan are real. Once contact is established, only faith in Jesus Christ can protect you from the demons.


Only Jesus Christ?
Would you say...stake your 'soul' on that claim since you are willing to perpetuate others down this road?
I am not debating you here I am simply seeing how you respond when you put your "money is where your mouth is".


Im only sharing my experience. Ive dealt with these beings for some time now, and in my experience and from what ive heard from others, calling on Jesus is the only silver bullet for the situation.

It only works if you truely believe in Him. Use His name in vain, and the demons will know, and they will become more violent.

Its not a matter of how strong your will is, because in the end, demons are always stronger, smarter, and more willfull than humans. Its a matter of; are you baptized in Christ or are you without Christ?



posted on Jan, 3 2014 @ 11:50 PM
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Its not a matter of fear, at least not in my case. Before my obedience to God, I used to experiment with psychedelics in attempts to induce increasingly negative experiences. Basically pushing my mind beyond the limits of fear. Thats when I first noticed them quietly watching. They never took an aggressive initiative until I stopped the psychedelic experiments and began serving God.

There are a few times that they have come close to killing me in my sleep. Thats when I realized that they flee from Jesus' name. Its never about fear, it about what God has shown me.



posted on Jan, 3 2014 @ 11:56 PM
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I haven't seen any proof that these beings do not exist, only the denials of people that they do not exist because there is not enough evidence

You wording it that way instead of I haven't seen enough proof these beings exist suggests you, as many others do, shift the burden of proof.

If I said I could lift objects with my thoughts and you asked for me to show you and I replied 'I won't but trust me I can'. If you then said 'well I won't believe it until I see it' and my response is 'you need to prove I can't' it would be analogous to what you're suggesting. People often shift the burden of proof in one context and not the other. It's not rational. It's always on the one positing something as truth.


How can you explain something that most people can not even comprehend in the first place?

Fair enough however on the flip side of that coin how could someone claim it's anything specific if it's beyond comprehension? If we truly witness 'entities' beyond our comprehension how could we comprehend that it's for sure an alien, ghost, incubus, shadow person, an angel that supports Christianity and not another religion, et certa.



posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 12:05 AM
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BELIEVERpriest

TheDualityExperience

BELIEVERpriest

Ive seen these entities for myself, so I know God and Satan are real. Once contact is established, only faith in Jesus Christ can protect you from the demons.


Only Jesus Christ?
Would you say...stake your 'soul' on that claim since you are willing to perpetuate others down this road?
I am not debating you here I am simply seeing how you respond when you put your "money is where your mouth is".


Im only sharing my experience. Ive dealt with these beings for some time now, and in my experience and from what ive heard from others, calling on Jesus is the only silver bullet for the situation.

It only works if you truely believe in Him. Use His name in vain, and the demons will know, and they will become more violent.

Its not a matter of how strong your will is, because in the end, demons are always stronger, smarter, and more willfull than humans. Its a matter of; are you baptized in Christ or are you without Christ?


Well consider me an 'other'. I do not practice Christianity and I have little problems dealing with the collective mind. You sneakily dodged my question though, that would not be through irrational fear now would it? I do not believe anything anyone tells me I merely consider it then set out to experience the archetype for myself.



posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 12:12 AM
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How does Jesus protect himself from Demons then huh?
I guess he just believes in Jesus and...



posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 12:36 AM
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Would I stake my soul to my claim?
I thought my post made it clear, I am a member of the body of Christ. My eternal security depends on who and what Jesus is. The answer to your question is yes.

I would not offer advice that I wouldnt follow myself.

Only a fool would believe any given claim (including mine) without first investigating it. I dont hope to convince anyone of anything. That would be superficial faith. I only hope to stimulate the unbias truth seeking process in the minds of those without truth. I wasnt alway the 'Jesus freak' that people point the finger at today. The path Ive walked so far continues to be a beautifully surreal progression.

Truth belongs to those who honestly seek it. If one isnt willing to face the possibility that the truth may be frightening, then one has no capacity for truth and can speak no truth; but only loathing vanity to compensate for the lack of truth.

For many, the possibility that Jesus died for our sins (so that we may have eternal life in Him), is scary. It confronts us with the possibility that as sinners, we are unable to obtain eternal life from within.

Maybe you disagree with my general conclusion, but can you honestly blame me for showing others what I have found to be true?



posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 12:39 AM
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What kind of psychedelics? And ya they are really their, think of them as a mental computer virus and jesus being the program that shuts it down lol. But still its all just software, like your DNA is to your soul which can even be manipulated by thought. Amazing how this stuff is just carried with us but its only on the plane just above the physical that they exist, so if you can overcome them like you know jesus would ( he is the light aka christ consciousness) they will flee. Its all about taking the next step out of their dimension and surpassing them as your creation because truly that's why they exist because u wanted them to scare the # out of you really (at least your ancestors did cuz they were board with life)
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posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 12:42 AM
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Cows11
How does Jesus protect himself from Demons then huh?
I guess he just believes in Jesus and...


You are free to have your own opinion, but your snide comments are unnecessary.



posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 12:48 AM
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BELIEVERpriest
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Would I stake my soul to my claim?
I thought my post made it clear, I am a member of the body of Christ. My eternal security depends on who and what Jesus is. The answer to your question is yes.

I would not offer advice that I wouldnt follow myself.

Only a fool would believe any given claim (including mine) without first investigating it. I dont hope to convince anyone of anything. That would be superficial faith. I only hope to stimulate the unbias truth seeking process in the minds of those without truth. I wasnt alway the 'Jesus freak' that people point the finger at today. The path Ive walked so far continues to be a beautifully surreal progression.

Truth belongs to those who honestly seek it. If one isnt willing to face the possibility that the truth may be frightening, then one has no capacity for truth and can speak no truth; but only loathing vanity to compensate for the lack of truth.

For many, the possibility that Jesus died for our sins (so that we may have eternal life in Him), is scary. It confronts us with the possibility that as sinners, we are unable to obtain eternal life from within.

Maybe you disagree with my general conclusion, but can you honestly blame me for showing others what I have found to be true?


Well at least you sacrificed yourself for the people you care so much about according to your doctrine. I feel bad for posing a trick question but I expected intelligence would overcome creed.
I am not saying your not intelligent by this I am saying that behavioral programming exists and fundamentally controls the perception of the "intelligent data"



posted on Jan, 4 2014 @ 12:49 AM
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You didn't answer my question.



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