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posted on Nov, 19 2004 @ 09:41 PM
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Hypothetical....

There is no Republican or Democratic party in America. You have your choice of over 50 political parties. Which one will it be and why?

Political Parties


To answer my question I would choose the...

Multicapitalist Party

This quirky party supports "capitalism for all people equally" -- but it is hard to tell exactly what that means. The MP equally denounces capitalism ("The rich riding on the backs of the poor") and communism/socialism ("The weak riding on the backs of the strong"). Instead, the MP claims to be an economic ideology whereby "the government insures that every citizen will become a successful capitalist and land owner without excessive taxation or loss of privacy or freedom." Beyond the economic issues, the party believes all social issues (drugs, sex, abortion, criminal punishment, etc.) should be decided by a direct democratic vote of the nation in plebiscites -- with the states individually following the positions held by a majority of the voters in each state.


Reason:
I could actually see this work. The current structure of the government would have to be redone but it could be done in small increments to ease assimilation.




posted on Nov, 19 2004 @ 09:53 PM
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I would probably pick the Green Party,

Green Party -- the informal US-affiliate of the left-wing, environmentalist European Greens movement -- scored a major achievement when it convinced prominent consumer advocate Ralph Nader to run as their first Presidential nominee in 1996."

Some interesting parties I've never heard of before were listed such as:

"Pansexual Peace Party - The PPP is a generally left-wing party that has yet to field any candidates -- they don't take themselves too seriously -- and, oh yeah, and the PPP is founded on Wiccan (i.e., witchcraft) roots. Check out the PPP platform plank on sexual issues, which carries the title: "Sex is Good! Sex is Great! Yea, Sex!" "

" Pot Party - The Pot Party is exactly what you'd expect -- a bunch of marijuana legalization advocates ("mandate pot growing") ranging in age -- seemingly -- from late teens to middle aged. In fact, their current tag line seems to be: "A movement to pretty much legalize marijuana." "



[edit on 11/19/2004 by Lecky]



posted on Nov, 19 2004 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by Lecky

Pot Party - The Pot Party is exactly what you'd expect -- a bunch of marijuana legalization advocates ("mandate pot growing") ranging in age -- seemingly -- from late teens to middle aged. In fact, their current tag line seems to be: "A movement to pretty much legalize marijuana."



[edit on 11/19/2004 by Lecky]



I find it hilarious they put "movement" and "marijuana" in the same sentence. But they actually have two marijuana parties. The Pot Party and the U.S. Marijuana Party. Frankly, the U.S. Marijuana Party sounds more official. Talk about strange though, having 2 political parties based on a plant.



posted on Nov, 19 2004 @ 10:07 PM
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I'd pick the Natural Law party or the Green Party. I'm pretty sure the NLP's gone now though....



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 10:25 AM
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I would choose the American Patriot Party

www.patriotparty.us...

English required for citizenship.

States Rights

No IRS or Income taxes

Withdrawal from U.N.

Most of the parties could lobby the 2 giants into getting their agenda included on their platform. Because no matter what party was listed, I could easily define them as conservative or liberal/socialist.



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 10:29 AM
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Why do people hate Marijuana so much?

I'm an occasional user, and I don't feel that it has inhibited my ability to think clearly overall. I'm actually pretty comfortable with the fact that I regularly engage in illegal activity, and at the same time, I am harming noone. It helps many to relax, and for slightly fewer, it helps to normalize their brain functions.

Go Marijuana.



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 10:46 AM
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Loki, no offense, but some of the most irrational people who are also the worst coworkers, are the ones that claim that pot does one no harm. Coincidence? I think not.

I can't tell which of those parties would be the right one. None, that I could tell. Here's why, and maybe you can help me find the right party.

This nation has a set of well-defined rules for the federal government, some specific rights for the people and rights other than those that are spelled out.
This nation was founded upon Christianity, our ethics, morals and principles come from that faith.
However......

If you want to grow some weed in your back yard and smoke it in the comfort of your favorite recliner, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Just as long as you do not sell any of it for federal reserve notes.
I'm not a smoker, however, you get the point I'm making, right? I don't see a completely constitutional party that stays within the spirit of the Founding Fathers.



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 10:49 AM
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TC, everyone's entitled to their opinions, so no worries there,

It's just people who will question my moral responsibility because I like to smoke pot every once in a while.

Judgemental people, you know what I mean?

I'm not saying what is wrong, and what is right for you, but what is right for me is right for me, and judging me doesn't change that, its just irritating.

That's me two cents.



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 11:11 AM
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I'd rather remain unassuming about most things. Especially if it doesn't effect me. Someone smoking a bit of grass on their weekends and in their house effects me none. A drunk driver, on the other hand....
That person endangers innocent people.
One thing is for sure. We as Americans bounce all over the spectrum, and we always have. For example, while opiate usage is illegal now, it was widely used in the beginning days of the nation. I'm surprised they did anything more than sit and drool on themselves.



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 11:17 AM
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Holy cow, TC. I think you and I just agreed on something.

Calendar is now.............marked.

, because the Apocalypse may be upon us.



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
I'd rather remain unassuming about most things. Especially if it doesn't effect me. Someone smoking a bit of grass on their weekends and in their house effects me none. A drunk driver, on the other hand....
That person endangers innocent people.


i wish you were president of the republic, thomas. you're surprisingly reasonable for a right winger.
cheers, man.



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by ShadowHasNoSource

This quirky party supports "capitalism for all people equally" -- but it is hard to tell exactly what that means. The MP equally denounces capitalism ("The rich riding on the backs of the poor") and communism/socialism ("The weak riding on the backs of the strong"). Instead, the MP claims to be an economic ideology whereby "the government insures that every citizen will become a successful capitalist and land owner without excessive taxation or loss of privacy or freedom." Beyond the economic issues, the party believes all social issues (drugs, sex, abortion, criminal punishment, etc.) should be decided by a direct democratic vote of the nation in plebiscites -- with the states individually following the positions held by a majority of the voters in each state.


Reason:
I could actually see this work. The current structure of the government would have to be redone but it could be done in small increments to ease assimilation.


You have to realize that a key tenet of capitalism is the ability to invest time and money into an idea that can come to fruition. As the one who put up the capital risk the owner is rewarded with profits. It takes intelligence, diligence and sweat equity to turn an idea into a success. Not every person in this country, or any country, is capable of achieving this. In order for such an idea to be realized it would require additional funds (from ... more taxes?) to support the infrastructure required to turn everybody into successful capitalists. I apologize if this comes across as arrogant but it's the plain truth. This is more of a socialist or even communist agenda where everyone is equal. Well, except for the leaders of course. How many leaders of socialist/communist countries live as poor as their citizens?

Like it or not, capitalism, and laissez-faire economism is what made countries like the US great. If everyone made the same amount of income there would be no motivation to excel -- why bother when the fruits of your labor would be divided equally amongst everyone else -- especially those who either choose not to or cannot contribute equally. Some will argue that capitalism is a selfish paradigm but I would argue otherwise.



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by Lecky
I would probably pick the Green Party,

Green Party -- the informal US-affiliate of the left-wing, environmentalist European Greens movement -- scored a major achievement when it convinced prominent consumer advocate Ralph Nader to run as their first Presidential nominee in 1996."

Some interesting parties I've never heard of before were listed such as:

"Pansexual Peace Party - The PPP is a generally left-wing party that has yet to field any candidates -- they don't take themselves too seriously -- and, oh yeah, and the PPP is founded on Wiccan (i.e., witchcraft) roots. Check out the PPP platform plank on sexual issues, which carries the title: "Sex is Good! Sex is Great! Yea, Sex!" "

" Pot Party - The Pot Party is exactly what you'd expect -- a bunch of marijuana legalization advocates ("mandate pot growing") ranging in age -- seemingly -- from late teens to middle aged. In fact, their current tag line seems to be: "A movement to pretty much legalize marijuana." "



[edit on 11/19/2004 by Lecky]


And then there's my party - The New Whig Party

That's right, I control my own party, and I'm creating a website for it. We advocare everything, and don't have any official stands. We figured we'd get more votes that way. Currently, we only have one member - me. Will you join?



posted on Nov, 21 2004 @ 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by titian

Originally posted by ShadowHasNoSource

This quirky party supports "capitalism for all people equally" -- but it is hard to tell exactly what that means. The MP equally denounces capitalism ("The rich riding on the backs of the poor") and communism/socialism ("The weak riding on the backs of the strong"). Instead, the MP claims to be an economic ideology whereby "the government insures that every citizen will become a successful capitalist and land owner without excessive taxation or loss of privacy or freedom." Beyond the economic issues, the party believes all social issues (drugs, sex, abortion, criminal punishment, etc.) should be decided by a direct democratic vote of the nation in plebiscites -- with the states individually following the positions held by a majority of the voters in each state.


Reason:
I could actually see this work. The current structure of the government would have to be redone but it could be done in small increments to ease assimilation.


You have to realize that a key tenet of capitalism is the ability to invest time and money into an idea that can come to fruition. As the one who put up the capital risk the owner is rewarded with profits. It takes intelligence, diligence and sweat equity to turn an idea into a success. Not every person in this country, or any country, is capable of achieving this. In order for such an idea to be realized it would require additional funds (from ... more taxes?) to support the infrastructure required to turn everybody into successful capitalists. I apologize if this comes across as arrogant but it's the plain truth. This is more of a socialist or even communist agenda where everyone is equal. Well, except for the leaders of course. How many leaders of socialist/communist countries live as poor as their citizens?

Like it or not, capitalism, and laissez-faire economism is what made countries like the US great. If everyone made the same amount of income there would be no motivation to excel -- why bother when the fruits of your labor would be divided equally amongst everyone else -- especially those who either choose not to or cannot contribute equally. Some will argue that capitalism is a selfish paradigm but I would argue otherwise.



I understand and agree given the context. I was thinking deeper into the issue though. A true capitalist society could never make everyone equal like with socialism. So to narrow the focus a bit...

1. Set up true educational programs to teach people the art of competitive capitalism. Adding in ways to balance the human factor to ensure happiness.

2. Make all positions in all companies so they could be viable profit sharing positions. In other words each individual would be a key component in a money making unit. Thus everyone would have a vested interest in advancing themselves which advance the company which (if done correctly) advances the country. (Divisions of labor would need to be reworked from the antiquated assembly line concept)

3. Make shipping jobs offshore illegal.

4. Make EVERYONE that wants to live in this country follow the rules of citizenship.

5. Make the government a business with it's positions being profit sharing positions as well. How quickly do you think the budget deficit and trade deficit would disappear if government employees had a vested interest on how well the government was run?

6. Set up land ownership laws. Families that have reached certain levels of success will be given land. Those families that haven't reached the first level would have to rent from families that have. This creates incentive.


Of course, just looking at the way the current system is run I could sit for hours and come up with hundreds of ways to tweak the system to make it run smoother. But, it's just a waste of time.

But yea, you inferred that everyone being land owners and successful capitalists would make them all equal. That's just not the case. Just look at real estate prices. They are all different. I think the key component would be actual education. Instead of bombarding people with ads bombard them with tips on doing better.



posted on Nov, 22 2004 @ 12:27 AM
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True communism or modern socialism never advocates "equal wages".

Not everyone is going to become a successful Kapitalist.. that doesen't mean these people should suffer and starve because of it.



[edit on 22-11-2004 by RedOctober90]



posted on Nov, 22 2004 @ 01:58 AM
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i think everyone who hasn't yet, should go rent the movie 'powaqqatsi'.
what a brilliant statement it makes.

the bottom line is, socialist or capitalist, we share the same space. one philosophy cannot dominate a sphere controlled by human perception and emotion in a dynamic flow which responds to changes in the enviroment.

things are speeding up. the theories, like moore's law, which govern this trend, are called 'laws' because they are highly predictable. people don't realise that we're living the equivalent of 1000's of years EVERY YEAR! the accelerating curve of the development of the mind/man/machine interface cannot be properly governed by concepts 'moored' in the distant past.
man is wired. it is time for government to reflect that.
this fact ain't going nowhere.
the old oligarchies are fighting a tenous battle to keep themselves in there legacy positions of leadership. in the past, different stock devices have been used to keep the populace in harmony(peace) or dischord(war). religion, education and finance are the main strings attached to the 'unwashed masses' that the puppetmasters pull to make us dance and weep.
this war on terrorism is not a war against islam, or a war for oil. this war is the old dragon of top down empire trying to fight the new cybernetic ameoba, which is what the 'ground up' wired man represents. wired man has no borders or dualities. wired man is by nature floating in a virtual enviroment outside the time bound dimension of the old dragon, and each individual that makes up this ameoba, is a soveriegn state. as this ameoba becomes self aware, it is harder for the old human consciousness warders, to 'herd' it.
why do you think alternative energy is suppressed?
why is it illegal to modify a carburetor?
why are they talking about peak oil and 'hemi's in the same breath?
at what point does the idea of capitalism flip into it's opposite?
at what point does socialism flip into it's opposite?

this is some of the hidden ground, that most people are unaware of.



posted on Dec, 7 2004 @ 08:40 PM
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I would have to back the CFPA!

I agree with most of their ideals and beliefs. There are some that are a little extreme, but nothing is perfect.

Christian Falangist Party of America



posted on Dec, 7 2004 @ 09:05 PM
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I would vote for the same party I vote for now.

Guess which one?

Libertarian


If people would quit voting those two sets of crooks into office we could get a real change.

For all yall that were voting "the lesser of two evils" you got what you voted for



posted on Dec, 13 2004 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by Loki
Why do people hate Marijuana so much?



I tried it, not for me... I don't like my friend smoking it, her voice sounds like a 90 year old woman who's smoked all her life, it's horrible..

However, I wouldn't go as far as some people do in trying to legislate what they think is "wrong" to them...

There are many people out there who like the world to be how they want it to be and screw everybody else's way of living...

They want freedoms for themselves, but to allow other people's kinds of freedom, that they do not understand... Hypocrisy, a double standard, ignorance, lack of understanding, philosophy, whatever you want to call it, the world is full of em, and that is why our country is so f'ed up.

Makes me sick.




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