Russia’s Putin responds to Canada North Pole claim with message to military

Wrabbit2000
Just a bit to add here, but I've been loosely following this in the news for years. Putin first made this issue publicly known as being important for him when he directed a Russian submarine to drop a Russian Flag in symbolic claim to Arctic resources. (there is *A LOT* to drill for within the Arctic Circle..and he wants it)

There is a thread here not too long ago about Putin also reopening one of their Cold War era Arctic bases with what was an absurd show of Naval power to escort a routine issue like that.

I think passage through what may be open water more and more into the future is part of it. (Panama won't be happy) but it's what lay beneath the Arctic sea bed I think it's ultimately about. Russia scoped that out many many years ago by what their actions say.

Yes this is a battle that has been raging over both poles for many years. It is one of the reasons there have been scientists physically there for a long time as well. Everyone wants a piece of the resources there. Everybody... Russia is not the only ones who have planted flags here.

The American flag was the first there so it is ours. Lol

We should be worrying about the methane being released from the warming and melting permafrost around the world. It is being released in large quantities that can't even be measured. It is gas that we could use if some smart folks figure out how to capture it.

The Bot

Hijinx
If you look at any map, the closest country to geographical north pole is greenland... last I checked their a country too, and seeing as the geographical north pole is ocean, they have the rights over it.

According to whom? It is an autonomous country that belongs to Denmark. It is Denmark who appoints all government officials that operate within the region. The defense of Greenland is also handled by Denmark, so if you're going to say anyone has rights over it using that argument, it would be Denmark - not Greenland.

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Well, when another thread about Methane comes along, I'll be happy to catch it and post there. Ditto with threads about America and the Arctic.

Seeing as how this particular thread was about the Russian Federation under Putin, laying claims to the Arctic vs. Canada? That seemed the appropriate direction to go... Just my two carrots.

I must have read this wrong. For some reason I come away with the impression that Canada overstepped it's boundaries, but every place I read the comments people are yelling about Russia?

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yes... we crazy Canucks....

We need to inject some excitement into our beer drinking, hockey watching, 40 below lives.

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I wish they would just leave it alone and let nature have it.. land or no, oil or no our climate is already to screwed up because of humans..

"If you can't take it with you, then you don't own it" Leave the ocean and w/e mass resources is there for our children's children to manage and reserve..

If the Ice recedes completely are we not all FUBAR anyhow?

How about Canada trade it's stake up north for something a little closer to the equator. The B.C coast and Maritime might be the only unfrozen Canadian land mass if we do enter another serious cold Age. What do we need more frozen land for.

Yo Belize! Tradesies....

ezwip
I must have read this wrong. For some reason I come away with the impression that Canada overstepped it's boundaries, but every place I read the comments people are yelling about Russia?

I'm not sure if anyone knows exactly where the northern border is. Every map I've been able to find either shows a different border, or no border at all as if we're connected to Russia without a border.

I know I've seen maps before in atlases that show us going as far as the north pole, and I've also seen maps that left off much of Canada.

Russia has a very active presence in their north, ice breakers, subs, ect.
We have snowmobiles...........not sure what else...

Oh...that Putin is so irascible....

Irascible Putin....rascible Putin......RAS-PUTIN....RASPUTIN!!!

Ah THought So...shave off a beard will ya!!!...Well the Jigs up..

Oh those Russians????

We do have the third longest runway in North America at Iqaluit, and a barracks for about 1500 frozen peckered troops, a few native northern rangers or whatever theyre called, and a lot of frozen ass territory where nobody much wants to hang out.......save for hunters and diamond miners.....I am sure well be just fine taking on Mother Russia,
when the Spetznatz get a taste of our beer..........

Well I'd like to say as an American, we really should have no time for this, our iron is in to many fires.

But as a comrade to our sister Canada...if she has to stand up to big Mother Russia for what is rightly hers we would of course have not choice but to support her efforts to retain OUR national resourses...we are all one continent after all!

I have now given this more than two seconds of thought....I change my mind.

I think this is a problem for B.P.
And I expect Conoco and Shell will do their part to claim this uh CLAIM

Yup...let the Corporation wars begin ( Asimov was a real fortune teller, not just a Sci-Fi writer)

X

Kicking harper out of the governmental business is a lot meaningful and cheaper way to achieve diplomacy than the full scale dispute over the North Pole territories with the Russians.

This mad dog like the “bibi of israhell” barks and barfs a lot lately, should be muzzled down ASAP.

America, Canada, Russia, Denmark.

Epic Ice Hockey contest winner takes all

Dead Center North Pole. Darkest day of the year under the Northern lights, 1,000,000 per ticket, the Inuit get to run the Casino and Hotel for the event.

The only logical solution...

TDawgRex
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Isn't the North Pole migrating to Canada in a slow pole shift anyways? Or is that the Magnetic, not True north?

But there are supposed to be a lot of resources under that ice. Also a lot of Russian Nuclear waste as well. They use it as their dumping ground.

( Points finger accusingly while shouting, AH HA!)

I KNEW IT!!

I KNEW there was a reason those reindeer were able to fly!
How can you all not put it together?! Rudolph, His nose GLOWS, it GLOWS, man! How many rads you think that thing is putting out?! AND AROUND ALL THE KIDS IN THE MALL, TOO!!

And SANTA? His suit is red, RED, MAN, LIKE COMMIE KILLED MY MOMMY RED!!!

Listen to him laugh! "HO,HO,HO" sounds like a burly russian chuckle to me!!!

It is so obvious, Santa is a Russian PLANT, using mutant levitating reindeer and hijacked tech from the aliens we sold the russkies at the area 51 auction to prop up the banks after WE already back engineered the good stuff!! That sleigh has stealth tech from another world with inter-dimensional wormhole/chrononaut abilities!!

HOW ELSE DOES HE FIT THE WHOLE WORLD'S PRESENT'S IN THAT ONE SACK, GET HIS FAT ASS DOWN OR UP(REALLY, UP A CHIMNEY?) A CHIMNEY, OR GET EVERYWHERE IN ONE NIGHT?!

WE HAVE TO STOP THE CRIMSON COSSACK BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!

WHO'S WITH ME?!

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It's all a precursor to war. It's what you do when you think someone is about to declare war on you, you claim your territory and set your defenses up. Notice that not just Russia and Canada are going at it over claimed or unclaimed areas of the Earth, China and Japan/US/Taiwan/South Korea going at it over the East China Sea. China disputing some islands with Taiwan. Troop placements around the world have changed as well; US moved troops to Australia not too long ago, the US moves its naval fleets around all the time, but most recently into the Mediterranean along with Russia. Russia moving into the Arctic. North Korea has been in the spotlight more than enough times. Saudi Arabia and Israel supporting the Free Syrian Army (Al Qaeda, Al Nusra, and other terrorist organizations) while the US supplies weapons to that same army... Syria and Russia are allies.. Canada and the US are allies... the US and Saudi Arabia are allies... Israel isn't helping... its a big mess... but its all war.

The world is at war, the big battles just haven't started yet.

MillionsOfPeaches
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It's all a precursor to war. It's what you do when you think someone is about to declare war on you, you claim your territory and set your defenses up. Notice that not just Russia and Canada are going at it over claimed or unclaimed areas of the Earth, China and Japan/US/Taiwan/South Korea going at it over the East China Sea. China disputing some islands with Taiwan. Troop placements around the world have changed as well; US moved troops to Australia not too long ago, the US moves its naval fleets around all the time, but most recently into the Mediterranean along with Russia. Russia moving into the Arctic. North Korea has been in the spotlight more than enough times. Saudi Arabia and Israel supporting the Free Syrian Army (Al Qaeda, Al Nusra, and other terrorist organizations) while the US supplies weapons to that same army... Syria and Russia are allies.. Canada and the US are allies... the US and Saudi Arabia are allies... Israel isn't helping... its a big mess... but its all war.

The world is at war, the big battles just haven't started yet.

Correct 100%.

God Bless,

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That cracked me up...now there is a conspiracy!

But here's another. I actually had it backward. The magnetic pole is shifting towards Russia...they're pulling it towards them! Probably with their own version of HAARP, and ours is situated in Alaska to counteract theirs. But due to budget cuts, they've gained ground.

www.mnn.com...

Ever since the magnetic north pole was first discovered in 1831, geologists have been tracking its progress. Unlike true north (which is marked by the Earth's axis), magnetic north is constantly on the move due to changes in the planet's molten core, which contains iron. Throughout most of recorded history, the pole has been positioned at or around Canada's icy Ellesmere Island, but if it keeps moving at its current rate, it won't be long before it sits above Russia instead.

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War? I wasn't talking about declaring war lol....

We have distance, equipment, and know how on our side....having a regular presence is all it really takes, sigh I'm not going to even go into our p3 or Aurora craft and regular cf18 arctic patrols and what they are capable of....

I'm not sure most folks understand the level of cooperation between NATO states, and as I mentioned we have bases and communities that rarely see ground not covered in snow, we train for it...as the other side does.

Canada has had a claim since the Hudson's Bay, so no sharing doesn't necessarily come into play.

Oh and as an aside, the locals are citizens, and came on board way after the other fiasco was back when it was colonies...

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North Pole, Alaska, or may be unknown entrance to lower level earth, as admiral Byrd supposed...we will call it today portal to hi dimensional reality on earth/under earth. USA controls the south pole

President wearing an army uniform is usually not a good sign.