Rush Limbaugh says Pope is preaching Marxism

reply to post by LDragonFire


Limbaugh logic..

Jesus was/is (alive/dead?) a Marxist.

Yep, because the Pope was merely having a Jesus moment.. What would Jesus think about what the Pope said?

Jesus the Marxist..

How could any Christian who follows the teachings not be outraged at Rush.. and those that think like him

reply to post by FlyersFan


It wasn't Pope Francis but Pope Benedict that called for some sort of body of global economic control. I'm curious as a non Catholic myself but with my Dad's side of the family that I'm very close to, devout Catholic so I'm familiar... why should not the church and especially the Pope not speak on poverty and economic inequality?

As far as Limbaugh and the now mewling GOP and Christian Right this is hilarious watching them now scream about separation of Church and State. Like it honestly makes me laugh out loud. Priceless.

Isn't that what the religion teaches in the first place, "Spiritual Marxism" ?

reply to post by defcon5


Speaking for myself, if Jesus Christ was head of a communist party, I'd trust him not to make the same mistakes that were made in the USSR. Aside from that, I'll pass on communism.

defcon5
I don't know where that rumor originates from, but it always bandied about by the religion hater crowd, and it's historically inaccurate as heck... Please tell me how the big wars, ...

The statement is accurate.
There has been a whole lotta' death and destruction due to organized religions.
There may be more war over $$$. But there is a whole lot due to religions.

Major death and destruction doesn't have to be at the hands of followers in 'big wars'. There are christians being massacred every day around the world right now .. and there is no 'official war' being waged against them. But they are being killed in the name of religion by those who worship their god (or gods) differently.

Catholics and Protestants wiping each other out in Ireland and England through the centuries.
Catholics wiping out 'savages' in the New World.
Crusades.
Muslim invasions and Islam 'spread by the sword'.
Shia vs Sunni.
Ancient Egypt and Rome and Greece .. all fighting over their 'gods'.
Wars in Rwanda were tribal and religious.
Aztecs and their human sacrifices.
Sino-Tibetian war
French Wars of Religion - back in the 1500s

Some recent wars started for religious reasons ... deaths of those involved and collateral deaths
Some religious wars with totals
Wars/disasters w/ death totals
By Death Total - Major Wars
Battles because of Religion

Kali74
why should not the church and especially the Pope not speak on poverty and economic inequality?

The church should absolutely be speaking out on this topic, again its one of the biggest issues in the world today, and it comes down to the fact that the system in place is diametrically opposed to the teachings of Christ. Christ was against Usury (the making of money off interest), and usury is forbidden in the bible. However, guys like Rush have money, and much of that money is earned based on reoccurring money from investments mostly made off usury scams. Taking from the poor for the rich to make more money on their existing money is what is killing the system, and causing all the worlds problems ATM.

defcon5
The church should absolutely be speaking out on this topic, ...

It makes me nervous.

When Pope Francis says 'do not judge the souls of homosexuals' ... then he's doing his job.
But when he says he wants massive wealth redistribution, that is dangerous.
Who would control that wealth? The corrupt UN? Obama? Russia? The Catholic Church?
There is no one on the planet that could be trusted with that task. No one.
And it would give way too much power to someone, or some entity yet to be invented.
It looks dangerous to me.

reply to post by LDragonFire


Hmmmmm . . . let's see . . .

The Marxist globalists have been working for at least 200 years to set up a bastardized form of Marxism married to a bastardized/monopolistic form of capitalism as the tyrannical global government's economic structure and model.

And . . . now, we have . . . invested in that model . . .

--Russia-- Check.
--China--- Check.
--The Pope--Check.

So, that covers more than what--2-3 billion people or so?

Sounds like they are right on track to achieve their goals.

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InverseLookingGlass
reply to post by LDragonFire

 

As for "capitalism"? Machines and 'murican Christianity swear by it.

I wonder how they square that away with JC never having shown any signs of being a capitalist??

What with sharing loaves and fishes, making free wine from water & various other caring & sharing activities he seems a little socialist to me - so shouldn't evan's also be socialist if they are "following" him??

FlyersFan

defcon5
The church should absolutely be speaking out on this topic, ...

It makes me nervous.

When Pope Francis says 'do not judge the souls of homosexuals' ... then he's doing his job.
But when he says he wants massive wealth redistribution, that is dangerous.
Who would control that wealth? The corrupt UN? Obama? Russia? The Catholic Church?
There is no one on the planet that could be trusted with that task. No one.
And it would give way too much power to someone, or some entity yet to be invented.
It looks dangerous to me.

"Massive wealth redistribution" - isn't that what capitalism dose? it takes from the poor and gives to the rich?!

WTF should the Pope - or any person who actually CARES not speak out about that??

FlyersFan

defcon5
The church should absolutely be speaking out on this topic, ...

It makes me nervous.

When Pope Francis says 'do not judge the souls of homosexuals' ... then he's doing his job.
But when he says he wants massive wealth redistribution, that is dangerous.
Who would control that wealth? The corrupt UN? Obama? Russia? The Catholic Church?
There is no one on the planet that could be trusted with that task. No one.
And it would give way too much power to someone, or some entity yet to be invented.
It looks dangerous to me.

Who controls the wealth now? This may shock you...

www.youtube.com...

defcon5
The concept of living a unselfish, unworldly, sharing life may seem like “communism” or “socialism” to American conservatives, but in reality they are Christian concepts. Unfortunately most Christian conservatives are so caught up in a lifestyle of selfish greed, that they don't even realize its the wrong attitude from a biblical perspective. Christ certainly was not a capitalist, and he never had anything good to say about people engaged in that “worldly” lifestyle. In fact Christ lived in a communist fashion, out of a “common purse”, and off the “socialist” charity of his followers.

Somewhere along the line it has become accepted by most US Christians that capitalism is somehow supported by God. When the truth is that capitalist greed has caused the majority of the worlds pain, suffering, death, wars, exploitation of the environment, depletion of natural resources, etc...

Well written. It is sad that most 'Christians' in the US do not understand this.

The Pope in my eyes is doing an incredible job. He doesn't were expensive gold jewelry, he sits on a wooden chair instead of the flashy traditional pope throne, he is changing the Catholic Church for the better.

reply to post by FlyersFan

Every “religious war” that I can think of since the “30 year war” has involved the Muslims. So its not “religions”, its one religion. Again, they make everything about religion.

If you go back through history though all the major wars I can think off off the top of my head, none of them were based on religion:

WWII
WWI
Napoleon
Bickering back and forth between Britain, Spain, and France
Genghis Khan
The Roman Empire
Alexander the Great
The Persian Empire
Etc...

None of these were about religion, all were about land/resources/trade/power/money. Even if one side is comprised of a majority from a single religion does not make it a “religious war”. For something to be a truly religious war, religion has to be the “root cause” of the war. So for example, the Gulf war is not religious because despite the fact that the Muslims want it to appear to be one, we are not there over religion. We are there over oil, money, and protecting Israeli interests. Unfortunately there are a lot of religious haters out there who are trying to push this incorrect idea, and they want to grandfather in a lot of wars that had nothing at all to do with religion, or that weren't wars to begin with.

reply to post by FlyersFan

I don't think that they are going to go in and “redistribute” the wealth, as in someone showing up at your door taking your money away. I believe that the way to handle it, and the way that I am sure they would handle it, is to enact laws that level the playing field for the “little guy”. Right now all the legal playing field is so askew toward the rich that the rest don't stand a chance. Basically some of these laws have legalized straight out theft, and fraud as long as its done on behalf of a rich corporation or bank. If you make the laws just and fair again the wealth will begin to redistribute itself.

FlyersFan

defcon5
I don't know where that rumor originates from, but it always bandied about by the religion hater crowd, and it's historically inaccurate as heck... Please tell me how the big wars, ...

The statement is accurate.
There has been a whole lotta' death and destruction due to organized religions.
There may be more war over $$$. But there is a whole lot due to religions.

Major death and destruction doesn't have to be at the hands of followers in 'big wars'. There are christians being massacred every day around the world right now .. and there is no 'official war' being waged against them. But they are being killed in the name of religion by those who worship their god (or gods) differently.

Catholics and Protestants wiping each other out in Ireland and England through the centuries.
Catholics wiping out 'savages' in the New World.
Crusades.
Muslim invasions and Islam 'spread by the sword'.
Shia vs Sunni.
Ancient Egypt and Rome and Greece .. all fighting over their 'gods'.
Wars in Rwanda were tribal and religious.
Aztecs and their human sacrifices.
Sino-Tibetian war
French Wars of Religion - back in the 1500s

Some recent wars started for religious reasons ... deaths of those involved and collateral deaths
Some religious wars with totals
Wars/disasters w/ death totals
By Death Total - Major Wars
Battles because of Religion

FF, if someone hasn't done it, this post alone, and then with a little more data, would make a good thread. This good data may get lost here. Nice links!

Marxism isnt the soviet opression we have seen during the cold war. The fight against the soviets wasnt to protect the world from equal distribution of resources, but from an auhtoritarian system that for the most part reselmbled a dictatorship and confronted dissent with excessive force.

So lets stop with the redistribution of wealth socialism and universal healthcare means you support Soviet armygroups trainthought.

Its like saying if you build an Autobahn in your country you are Hitler. Its just a dishonest discourse leading nowhere, when economic systems need to be seen as tools devoid of ideology, because under different cirumstances a different set of tools might be needed.

A country that barely produces the resources to feed its populace must see that those resources are distribuited evenly, to make sure everyone lives. A country that lives in a different reality may benefit from no holds barred capitalism. But most countries probably are best off finding the sweetspot between the 2.

olaru12
reply to post by LDragonFire

 

Great...the spokesperson for the conservative GOP has now alienated another huge voting segment of the electorate.

He has mostly already alienated women, the disabled, minorities. His base of conservative white men is solid but Rush's strategy to win elections might as well be thought up by a hillbilly heroin addicted ....

oh wait....


radio.about.com...

edit on 2-12-2013 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)

So let's not tell it how it is in the name of votes, huh!

Let's all cower in the presence of voting blocs!

That's the problem with the GOP. As a life-long republican, I'm very dissatisfied with my party because they are doing exactly what you suggest...let's keep our mouths shut so as not to offend any voting blocs. Yeah, that seems to be working lately, huh?

McCain and Romney are to perfect examples of butt-kissing for the voting blocs and yet, where did it get them? I won't be voting republican for the first time in my life if our party puts up someone like those two clowns again. (Mainly, the Obama-loving Chirstie)

reply to post by FlyersFan


But he said no such thing as redistributing wealth and that term is taken out of context continually anyway. Yes in some cases it literally does mean seizing wealth from someone(s) and giving it to others someones(s) but that isn't what redistribution is supposed to be. It is supposed to mean restructuring society so that wealth flows more evenly. There's the bad kind of wealth redistribution going on now, from the middle class to the wealthy. I haven't seen a word from this Pope about seizing wealth only that our current system is failing and causing misery, which is the truth.

I'm really not understanding why you as a Catholic are worried about the Pope commenting negatively on Capitalism, you say he shouldn't talk about the economy only the spiritual... but Jesus talked of economies and governments and the poor as well. Now do I think the the Pope should be making laws for other countries to follow... absolutely not but I don't think that is what he is doing. Can you clarify why you think he is trying to?

Rezlooper

So let's not tell it how it is in the name of votes, huh!

no - let's not make up BS that will ALSO piss off voters!

defcon5
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

None of these were about religion, all were about land/resources/trade/power/money. Even if one side is comprised of a majority from a single religion does not make it a “religious war”.

I find it interesting that you think religious wars have to be about only religion. All wars are fought for land/resources/trade/power/money as you state, but religion is historically a state institution and the state needs these things to function. Classically these things were fought for in the name of whatever god was being worshiped ( a god more than likely sanctioned by the state), it had nothing to do with the opposing states god or gods being worshiped (or rarely I should say). The Holy Roman Empire acquired vast amounts of land and wealth in the name of their god and the actions of the state were condoned by their god (at least in the dogma of the time).