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The Tired Old Magician's Trick: Apocalyptic Thinking

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posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 03:28 AM
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imho, Second Coming of Messiah (be it Jesus/Buddha/Khrisna/etc) IS a Trap to keep us living in ignorance.

Even after Life scenarios (where we will be judged for our actions) is also a trap.
There is only one eternal Life. And there is no before and after Life.
It is how aware we are of Life will allow us to experience Life fully.

But will 'apocalypse' ever happen? here is my another opinion.

supranatural 'apocalypse' like in 'holy' scriptures or left-behind series? It will never happen.

man-made 'apocalypse'?
Yes. It might happen but won't cause the end of the world (human are ignorant fools who believe that earth represents the entire world)
Only the end of existence on this planet.
And we are close to man-made apocalypse every second we live in ignorance.

natural 'apocalypse'? Yes. It won't cause the end of the world.

But there is a little hope (or not)
imho, only the man-made 'apocalypse' could trigger the 'global awakening', it is when they realize that no one will come to rescue them after SHTF, when they're left with nothing.
And what if it couldn't trigger anything? game over. i can only see the mad-max scenarios that will slowly lead humans to complete extinction (With no heroes to save the day)

peace.
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posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 10:44 AM
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Yup. We are on the same page for the most part.

KPB



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 10:54 AM
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KellyPrettyBear
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Yup. We are on the same page for the most part.

KPB



whether you believe it or not, there are others who do. this is the problems i have faced while contemplating the issue:

if, as it says in the prophecies, christians will be over run and killed by the end times government, is true, that is a horrible thing to look forward to for a christian or any of the people who know and love a christian who is thusly eradicated on the premise of belief. conversely, if those passages were false, and added to make people accept their fate on some pie in the sky idea that once they were slaughtered they would go to live in a glorious heaven, next to muslim virgin harems, the same problem is also present -- et.al, whether pie in the sky or not, the end result would be that somebody with alot of clout, somewhere in the echelons of power, seem to want to eradicate christians regardless.

there's also the prospect that since most christians are white, that this prophecy may be an evidence for future genocide of white folks, which puts a whole new meaning to the word "christian" and adds a whole new layer of threat to the information since it really wouldn't be a religious issue but a racial one.

either way the whole thing is quite depressing



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 11:14 AM
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somebody with alot of clout, somewhere in the echelons of power, seem to want to eradicate christians regardless.


I'm 100% convinced in looking at possible futures, that yes, indeed
there is a 'force' that wants to eradicate Christians. However
this has NOTHING to do with Christianity. This has nothing to do
with 'God' or 'Satan/Lucifer'.

I think that the 'baddies' are building something, and once they
are done building something; once they have those robot bodies;
then they won't need that flood of worship energy that the
monotheistic religions feed them.

Should that day come to pass, then anyone who fights against
the 'mandated social order' will be slaughtered. And people
like me (thinkers who are free of the lies) will die far in
advance of religious folks, who are stuck obeying their
previous implanted instructions and refuse to start obeying
the updated implanted instructions (implanted via psyop
for the most part).

I don't think conspiracy theorists think about this much..
that TPTB every so often changes their psyop programming,
that it isn't always the same program.

KPB



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 11:23 AM
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Plenty of civilizations have come and gone, never once looking around them and seeing for themselves that a TEOTWAWKI event was upon them, precisely because they happened in slow motion.

"Not my problem" they probably told themselves...until a friend tapped them on the shoulder and said. "Why are there all those torches up in the hills?" Or even better yet..."Are mountains supposed to blow their tops off like that?"



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 11:31 AM
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well let's look at the implications

1. our president sells us out to the central bank. wilson was it?

2. the fed is erected and the irs activated.

3. our money is turned into fiat.

4. international banks become embroiled in our politics and take over our media and institutes of higher learning

5. these globalists decide to use our military to fight their wars with other nations, who they force into various forms of democracy (socialism - either communist or fascist) and in which, they erect their industry, commerce and banking system

6. meanwhile, on the media and in the universities that they own, they condemn our nation and our military, that they themselves are using to take over the whole planet.

7. they erect social programs to help the needy, but specifically make it near impossible to get help if you are white.

8. they then blame white people exclusively for dang near everything and foster racial tensions at home and racial wars abroad.

9. they literally ruin our economy, force massive amounts of people into abject poverty and blame it on capitalism even though the globalists who are doing this are themselves capitalists, they don't want to share the benefits with competition and instead want everyone to be forced into socialist systems they control. socialist systems always turn into totalitarian nightmares

10. they make it sound as if only american and british white people are capitalists

11. they insist on blaming people who are alive today, for stuff that was done by other people, sometimes hundreds or even thousands of years ago. and almost exclusively, these charges at levelled at white people

so either we are as bad as they say, or we are so screwed we don't even realize how screwed we are.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 11:40 AM
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Cool response!



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 11:45 AM
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Most of your points had a good measure of validity.
But can you please explain this:




they erect social programs to help the needy, but specifically make it near impossible to get help if you are white.


I don't mean this as an attack, and am not belittling you;
I'm just very curious. You seem to have more "white guilt"
and "white rage" than anyone I've ever encountered in
52 years.

What has caused you to see things this way? Where Is
your evidence for this? Perhaps YOU are having a problem
getting help and that in fact not All or even MOST white
people are having the same problem as you? Just
postulating that might be true.. please educate me!
I want to be a friend..

Most people I know, think that 'whites' run the world
and that it's the 'minorities' who get the raw deal.

KPB



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 11:59 AM
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yes whites do run the world, but it's only a handful, and the rest of us, are not invited to the party. instead, we are blamed for any blowback. i think where this first started to form in my head was when i kept reading ats posts by muslims who were calling america a christian nation and europe a christian continent. now while that may have been true at one time in europe, it certainly hasn't been true since the enlightenment. just read the french revolution. that ain't a bunch of bible believers, who are taught to just go with the flow, not upset the apple cart, and nose to the grindstone. obey authority, pray for rulers and so on. and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

and in america, it has been both true and false, a sort of mixed bag, since its inception. the more i read this stuff, the more i realized that in the minds of the muslim world, white equals christian and christian equals white. this was further cemented by the fact many blacks today, particularly communist blacks and muslims, try to convince black christians that jesus is a white god and that they should embrace their roots not the roots of their enslavers.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 12:43 PM
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thanks for explaining your position.

But as an intelligent person, why do you let racism and
'reverse racism' get you so troubled? It seems you can
barely write a post without it coming to the fore?

Now I'm not saying that racism isn't horrible.. I mean
all humans are descended from black people.. so
racism against people of color makes me sick inside;
it is the height of foolish, self-loathing nonsense.

Why does this 'reverse racism' affect you so deeply?

KPB



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 01:17 PM
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KellyPrettyBear
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thanks for explaining your position.

But as an intelligent person, why do you let racism and
'reverse racism' get you so troubled? It seems you can
barely write a post without it coming to the fore?

Now I'm not saying that racism isn't horrible.. I mean
all humans are descended from black people.. so
racism against people of color makes me sick inside;
it is the height of foolish, self-loathing nonsense.

Why does this 'reverse racism' affect you so deeply?

KPB




it isn't just reverse racism, it's racism period. as i tried to explain in the knockout game thread, my daughter has a friend who is black. we love her dearly. she calls me mom. i was rescued from thugs when i was a teenager by a black guy who became my hero. i have had many extraordinarily memorable and positive relationships with black people and if this knockout game continues, it could lead to a race war where everyone gets hurt. so i'm not just worried about reverse racism, i'm worried about the people who racism can hurt as well. it just needs to stop

one way the communists in the past have pushed thru their agenda is by ruining economies and then blaming the whole thing on a target group, which is almost always related to race, religion or the size of the bank account. and even if the communists win, alot of wonderful people on the both sides of the issue are hurt or killed as well.

it's time to call people on it, regardless of their skin color, before it is used to genocide. which i think is what the text of the bible suggests. that genocide of "christians" will be the approach. the rest of the story is (and we haven't talked about that part yet), when enough people have died as a result, the whole thing will explode and pretty much everyone will die. in other words, somebody has their finger on the doomsday device, and once the population of a racial group is close to being extinguished forever, the whole place will go boom. not just the usa, but the entire planet.

ever see that episode of star trek where a big alien spaceship comes to earth and is emitting some kind of signal, and it takes awhile to realize the ship is looking for surviving whales, and if it doesn't find any, the signal ends up destroying the planet. well same idea. maybe it's more akin to the samson effect. i dunno. all i know is, i sure as heck hope somebody just put the genocide and doomsday stuff in there to keep people in line and not because they actually plan on doing this to our planet and its people.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 01:21 PM
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Welcome to my world...all are welcome! I am white and by no means wealthy and I see the human race as it is described. The HUMAN Race. That said, I am better off than others financially but that could change with the drop of the hat and I realize that.

People in power use Religion, Ideology and Race as a means to an end. Nothing more, just a means as to grab power and to subvert others. I don’t buy into any of it, unless it makes sense. But when was the last time anyone in charge made sense? As a race, I think that we are to divided nowadays; it won’t end well without some outside intervention. (Aliens? God?) Who is to say what side is right other than history…and we know who writes history, the winners.

Which means we still have a ways to go. And even if we do survive a TEOTWAWKI event, it’ll be only temporary. Before to long, we'll be at war with each other again.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 01:26 PM
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I admire your passion for fixing the evil called racism.

I don't tend to agree with your proposed conspiracy theory,
but that doesn't mean that we can't be friends.

KPB



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 02:49 PM
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KellyPrettyBear
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I admire your passion for fixing the evil called racism.

I don't tend to agree with your proposed conspiracy theory,
but that doesn't mean that we can't be friends.

KPB



do you believe that world leaders are using biblical prophecy like a playbook? this was another issue i had to mull over. there was the issue of if it's real, it sucks. and if it's not real but is being used knowing full well it isn't real, it sucks. and if world leaders are using it as a guide on how to depopulate the planet for the benefit of a handful of their powerful friends and family members (puts a whole new meaning to noah's ark), and generate the most compliance in the process, it still sucks.

no matter how you slice it, it sucks. as a christian, the only bright spot is the very last part where jesus sets up his throne, and we all regain access to the tree of life and water of life (immortal dna or something like that. at least full body regeneration or maybe even an alternate dimensional body that isn't subject to the ravages of the dimension we call time). in any case, that we might have to go thru all that depressing crap to get to that, makes me very tired and stressed out.
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posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 03:50 PM
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I believe that world leaders have been using Christianity
against people since Constantine invented the religion.
I don't think it's incorrect to say that. Oh sure there
was a NAZZARITE religion before that.. and in fact
I see merit in that religion. Now I know some people
will quibble about the transition between the Nazzarite
religion and the so-called 1st century acts of the apostles
era, and call that period the "true church" and then
claim that Catholicism is the 'antichrist' or the 'degenerate'
expression of Jesus.

But I can't go along with that either.. lots of scholars
have written that Paul didn't even believe in a physical
Jesus.. that he co-opted the religion for his own
purposes..

I've studied church history pretty carefully.. and the OT
too.

None of it has the slightest value that I can see..

Now.. was Jesus a gnostic mystery school student?
There is some indication that might be true.. and
thus Jesus might have been a powerful mystic who
knew MUCH.

On the other hand, there is much evidence that Jesus
never existed at all.. or was at most just another
apocalyptic preacher like any hundred other ones..

I prefer not to worry about whether Jesus was
an actual person or not.

Even a cursory examination of Christianity shows
that it's a con job as it exists in it's current form;
and what value may have existed 2000 years
ago is irrelevant.

Just the fact that Christianity has been used to
psychologically terrorize humans, to demean
them, to disempower them, to marginalize
women, to authorize slavery and genocide
and to give pedophilia a pass in modern
times... means the whole thing is rotten
through and through..

Jesus MAY have been enormously special..
may in fact have been an incarnation of
god for all it matters.. but Christianity
has been co-opted and destroyed.

The fact is the West is badly in need of
a mystical system.. people DO want
'God' and I don't blame them.. that
hunger is legitimate. I had that
hunger. (the hunger is filled).

I WISH that I had been born into a culture
with a healthy system to bring people
together.. I'd signup in an instant to
be a priest and work for $8 an hour..

But someone has to invent that system
first. It doesn't exist in the West.

I'm not volunteering for that job..
I don't have the people skills for it.

KPB



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